Ducati S2R 1100 EVO (minus the ABS and all that fancy shit)

[koko64]

Friday .

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[He Man]

alright i still need to do two things and i need some help with finding a socket size.

the oil screen on the S2R1000 contains the oil temp sensor for the instrument  gauge. i need to swap that but i dont have the socket for it and theres mixed reports of it being 21 and 22mm. anyone know the exact size?


the other thing i need to do is swap the timing gear. ive decided theres no way the ECU would know where the timing is with 2 sensor ports unless it had data from another sensor, so its best to just swap gears.

[He Man]

Well it looks like friday is going to be a bust. i need a new timing gear. See the last pic for details. I need to find a replacement ASAP. If ECS has one, ill have them ship it to me so i can install it. The issue is if they install it, well have to wait for the damn gasket to cure before it can be put on the dyno.

Busted out the 14mm socket to remove the oil screen plug


Swapped out the plug and now i have oil temp readings for my gauges.


dejavue......didnt i already do this before?


oh make the beast with two backs PTSD FLASHABCK!


The M1100 EVO motor


Compared to the S2R1000.


and a comparision of the flywheel, mangeto and sprag gearset up (okay the other two arent shown). Notice there is no longer a mark for lining up the left side motor with the belts.



Difference in height as well.


and of course the whole reason i went in there to begin with. They dont fit. They theres a difference in the number of teeth between the gaps (not to mention the gap size it self is completely different) and im pretty sure the key doenst fit either.

[He Man]

Another note id like to make is that the vaccum cast engine side case is very noticeably lighter than the S2R by close to a lb using my highly accurate left hand scale.

im sure that the whole engine is easily several lbs lighter as a result.

[He Man]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-11-Ducati-Multistrada-1200S-1200-Lay-Shaft-timing-Gears-Engine-Gear-/320836067506?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ab351e0b2&vxp=mtr#ht_1442wt_1271 this might work.

im going to go remove that gear and verify the number of teeth, and the woodruff key etc.

[koko64]

Glad there is some parts interchangability there to get you out of trouble.

[He Man]

well today is a sad day. I have to call in tomorrow to see if ECS has the gear i need, which i doubt it. Which means tomorrow will be a call to cancel the appointment.


the 1098 gear will not work. it has to be the 1100 motor between 2008-2010 when the Merelli ECU was used and the pickup is at the top.

the S2R Gear will obviously not work because the pick up location is different. However. how off is it really?

Shown below. when the woodruff key is lined up the dots line up, but the teeth are off by 4.
with the 1098 gear, the wooddruff key slot points to the pickup location, obviously the wrong spot. it has to be one of the 2 positions for the m1100 gear.



the bottle cap indicates where the indentation for the S2R gear is.


so basicly im screwed unless i pay $500 for a stupid gear, which means i should of spent that money on rebuilding my heads instead.


the hyperpart no is 17120751B
the 848 part no is 171Z0031A

[He Man]

alright, i just got word from another member on ducati.ms (Fastfrank) that an 848 timign gear WILL work.

if my reasoning is right the notch is located in the middle  of the two notches because the Siemens will be able to read in between the two.

however the hyper and the 848 share distinctly different part No which worries me. anyone care to comment?

or rather does anyone know if the bike is suppose to fire when the timing sensor is over the notch?

[He Man]

BINGO. the 2008 gear from an 848 is a match. one on ebay. $75 from florida.

done and done. i can delay the tuning till saturday, or if it comes soon enough (like thursday afternoon) i can install it and get the tune on friday!

[koko64]

Great to hear He Man.
Saturday!

[He Man]

called up ECS, they do not have the gear in stock, but its on ebay and i contacted ducati depot (metroduc for those who gets his emails) but im waiting to hear from them, they ship at the end of the buisness, but they can ship today. Im not sure if priority mail will get here (florida to new york) by thursday.

i contacted them about express shipping and the cost (there is an envelop for $20, otherwise $40). no way im paying $40 shipping, i can wait. I do think priority will make it here on thursday though.

ECS cannot tune on sat, so its this friday or next.

[He Man]

he said $20 for express shipping is good to go. will have the gear tomorrow morning. and installed by that night.

actually, with that gear, the bike SHOULD be able to start on its own. I just need to put in some 93 octane for the high compression.


what about oil guys? i cant run car oil anymore, and ive heard that for break in, dyno oil is the best as to allow a good mating surface.

[wannabfast]

wait, am i missing something? why are you replacing that gear? cause of the notches? those are there to lock the engine in place when you do the service(timing belt and valve check) theres a hole in the case that you thread a special tool though

[He Man]

because im running a different ECU. those notches are the pickup locations for the sensor. the siemens ECU is programmed to read two. the Merelli ECU reads 1.