Oil Bypass Spring

Started by TitanMonsterS4R, September 05, 2012, 12:39:43 PM

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rule62

Looking at it more closely, I believe the diverter is there initially to route oil through the cooler lines to the cooler. Without the spring, oil would simply run through the filter and then back through the engine.

The design of the spring seems to have a secondary function. If the oil pressure gets too high (symptom of a blocked cooler) the spring flexes and allows oil to run directly through the filter (as if the diverter wasn't there).

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let it run for about 10 minutes.  Engine got to 136 degrees the oil cooler went from a cool touch to much warmer when the bike started running? 

thoughts?
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ducpainter

Quote from: MonstaS2R on September 05, 2012, 04:05:35 PM
let it run for about 10 minutes.  Engine got to 136 degrees the oil cooler went from a cool touch to much warmer when the bike started running? 

thoughts?
136 F or C?
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Quote from: MonstaS2R on September 05, 2012, 04:27:26 PM
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If the cooler got warmer I'd say oil was flowing.

Let us know what you feel when you ride the bike and it comes up to full operating temp.
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Quote from: ducpainter on September 05, 2012, 04:29:13 PM
If the cooler got warmer I'd say oil was flowing.

Let us know what you feel when you ride the bike and it comes up to full operating temp.

My daily commute is 40 minutes.  With fresh oil, is there anything I should be looking for from the engine, sounds, etc.  Still trying to understand the purpose of this spring now....
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Quote from: MonstaS2R on September 05, 2012, 04:35:11 PM
My daily commute is 40 minutes.  With fresh oil, is there anything I should be looking for from the engine, sounds, etc.  Still trying to understand the purpose of this spring now....
The cooler should be roughly the same temp as the engine after 40 mins.

I doubt you'll notice anything odd.

I have a good friend that has been a Duc tech for roughly 15 years.

I'll ask him whazzup.
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Quote from: ducpainter on September 05, 2012, 04:38:39 PM
The cooler should be roughly the same temp as the engine after 40 mins.

I doubt you'll notice anything odd.

I have a good friend that has been a Duc tech for roughly 15 years.

I'll ask him whazzup.

Thanks Ducpainter.

Very interested to hear what your friend has to say as the Ducati tech at Coleman Powersports here in VA told me it was essential to the operation of the bike and without it I risked doing serious damage to the motor.  I think part of it was hype, so just curious....
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Quote from: rule62 on September 05, 2012, 03:20:34 PM
Looking at it more closely, I believe the diverter is there initially to route oil through the cooler lines to the cooler. Without the spring, oil would simply run through the filter and then back through the engine.

The design of the spring seems to have a secondary function. If the oil pressure gets too high (symptom of a blocked cooler) the spring flexes and allows oil to run directly through the filter (as if the diverter wasn't there).
That almost makes sense.
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Quote from: ducpainter on September 05, 2012, 06:02:47 PM
That almost makes sense.

Does the spring control the volume of oil that goes from to the engine?  By bypassing the oil cooler is the engine getting too much oil, potentially causing a leak or flood?
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Quote from: MonstaS2R on September 05, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Does the spring control the volume of oil that goes from to the engine?  By bypassing the oil cooler is the engine getting too much oil, potentially causing a leak or flood?
Relax...

there is no danger of a leak or flood.

The spring controls the flow of oil through the cooler.

The only question seems to be whether it flows to the cooler without the spring.
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Howie

My guess is the spring does control the volume of oil to the cooler verses the heads, and is needed to make sure the heads get enough oil.  I think you would have flow to the cooler, just not enough.  The ability to bypass the cooler with increased flow to the heads if the cooler clogs probably assures sufficient flow back to the sump since a clogged cooler could reduce flow back to the sump.

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Quote from: ducpainter on September 06, 2012, 03:39:17 AM
Relax...

there is no danger of a leak or flood.

The spring controls the flow of oil through the cooler.

The only question seems to be whether it flows to the cooler without the spring.

40 minute ride this morning. Duc sounded fine and grumbled all the way to the office  ;D
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Quote from: MonstaS2R on September 06, 2012, 05:52:46 AM
40 minute ride this morning. Duc sounded fine and grumbled all the way to the office  ;D
was the cooler hot?
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