Rossi returns to Yamaha, how will he fair?

[duccarlos]

The good and bad thing about Stoner is that you always knew what he was thinking and bugging him. He made it clear that he did not like the direction MotoGP was going. Most of us actually agree with it. Add to it his family situation and the ability to go race in Australia and guess what you get.

Rossi knows that MotoGP will always be his best paycheck. He's still relatively young as in unwilling to step aside not just because of his competitive spirit, which is now being questioned by the likes of some (me and others included) for the way he acted in many of the races while on the Duc. He, like most MotoGP riders, is also an egomaniac. The fact that he showed that he is human after all drove him into probably not retiring until he breaks the all time win record. You can choose to put him on the pedestal all you want. I for one like the fact that he was knocked off for a while. I prefer a hungry Rossi to the quitter version we all feared he would become.

[ZLTFUL]

I think you meant the quitter version Stoner became. 
Rossi is still racing. (Yes yes...he had a shit bike and didn't want to push it and maybe risk his chance at a comeback later on but at least he is still giving it a go)
Stoner isn't.

Don't get me wrong, I really wish Stoner would stick around and we would have more than 2 bike battles for the top step again.
But he quit. He isn't mentally in the game. Instead of trying to stick it out and push for change while still competing, he chooses to throw in the towel because he isn't having fun anymore.

Some of the Personality stuff from the Wikipedia article on Stoner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Stoner smack a weak constitution. You are a public figure. Your life is going to be overanalyzed and people are going to say things about you that you don't like. Period. Happens to EVERYONE...public figure or not. But most people don't just up and quit because someone somewhere said something that hurt their widdle feewings.

Status and personality
Stoner has showed signs of feeling underappreciated by the general public. He was angered by consistent suggestions that the bike and tyres had a bigger role in his success than he did,[55] and unhappy at being booed at Donington in both 2007 and 2008.[56]

In August 2008 he was criticised for his team's association with tobacco company Philip Morris.[57]

Stoner has stated that he would prefer to shun the limelight and would prefer to let his riding style do the talking. In a recent interview with Australian Motorcycle News, he was quoted as saying that he would prefer a return to purer form of racing from the 500cc days, stating that "Back in those days, it was just racing – Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz, Gardner, Lawson – not half as much bullshit as now. That was the life." compared to the racing that he participates in.

His comment about things being better in the 500cc days...I have a love/hate relationship with this. He is full of shit and he is spot on at the same time. The racing was more pure. But you also had guys like Mick Doohan who had his legs sewn together so that he could heal faster from his broken leg. I honestly can't see Casey doing something like that. Racing injured and even having surgery on an injury is one thing but being the guinea pig for a radical new form of treatment which may or may not work is beyond Stoner's pall, IMHO.

[ZLTFUL]

Now this is some funny stuff right here:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/biaggi-rossi-has-no-chance/22350.html

[Triple J]

Parroting the "bad PR" rhetoric doesn't make the thing any less poignant. He was beat up mentally. I personally think that this was the point where Stoner decided to retire even though the official announcement didn't come until 1.5 years later. on.

You're crazy. He was fatigued (mentally & physically) from being sick and trying to race GP. When he came back he recorded 2 wins and a 2nd out of the final 4 races (2009)....sounds like a guy who had quit.   He then raced another season for Ducati (2010), finishing 4th overall. He then flat dominated in 2011 for Honda, and had a good chance for the title in 2012 if he wouldn't have injured his ankle.

Who knows exactly why he retired. There's a ton of politics in MotoGP...I think he just got tired of it. He obviously still wants to race.

[zooom]

Now this is some funny stuff right here:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/biaggi-rossi-has-no-chance/22350.html

  I don't necessarily disagree with this bit...

  ...
He also appeared to suggest that Rossi has not earned his ride at Yamaha...

as he probably more than likely leveraged it via Carmelo and Monster I am betting...putting the business side of racing up front in that negotiation....

 

[Speeddog]

Just to clarify regarding Doohan.

AFAIK, Dr. Costa sewed his bad leg to his good one in a desperate attempt to *save* the leg.

Not what one would consider an elective procedure just to heal quicker.

[Triple J]

Now this is some funny stuff right here:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/biaggi-rossi-has-no-chance/22350.html

Biaggi is crazy too!   Rossi has a pretty good chance at the title...and I think his past at Yamaha earned him the ride. Unfortunately it came at Spies' expense.

[ZLTFUL]

Just to clarify regarding Doohan.

AFAIK, Dr. Costa sewed his bad leg to his good one in a desperate attempt to *save* the leg.

Not what one would consider an elective procedure just to heal quicker.

True. But from the interviews I have read, Doohan was said to have wanted the leg saved so he could get back to racing. He wasn't worried about walking or any of that lame stuff, he just wanted to protect his points lead. 

[ZLTFUL]

Who knows exactly why he retired. There's a ton of politics in MotoGP...I think he just got tired of it. He obviously still wants to race.

So instead, you quit and don't try to become a force that can effect change?
I could respect him a lot more if he just said, "You know, make the beast with two backs all you wankers! I wanna sex up my wife and play with my kids."
Instead, he makes vague references about not having fun in MotoGP anymore and walks away.

[zooom]

ya know...it makes me wonder...Spies ( as well as others, but the Ben was the most public and recent that I can think of) said that the paddock in WSBK and all that was a much more inviting and family atmosphere...the rracing is hella good...why didn't Casey consider an approach to the WSBK paddock?....we have seen the trend where gp rider retire from gp and flourish anew in that series...Rossi will undoubtedly end up there...

[duccarlos]

He's into racing on his own terms, in other words in Australia, where people won't hurt his feelings.

In the end, when you compare Rossi and Stoner riding the "same" machinery you see the results. He robbed us the chance to see them both on good machinery.

[Triple J]

So instead, you quit and don't try to become a force that can effect change?

Stoner knows he can't make any real changes (that he would consider good). As good as he is, he's still an expendable cog in the machinery. Rossi is the only one who might be able to change anything due to his sponsorship pull, and that is a long shot. Stoner didn't like the corporate atmosphere encroaching on the racing atmosphere from what I read...but that isn't going anywhere.

why didn't Casey consider an approach to the WSBK paddock?

From a couple quotes, he considers them "tarted up street bikes", and has no desire to race them.

[The Don]

 Zilbert, I get on this forum just to read your rants.
I need you as my PR manager in my small business, I couldnt loose

[Spidey]

I could respect him a lot more if he just said, "You know, make the beast with two backs all you wankers! I wanna sex up my wife and play with my kids."

I don't hate Casey the way everyone else does, but that's pretty much what I understood him to be saying.  Either way, it's much better than Lorenzo who, while admittedly fast is hell, is also reported to have said "You know, make the beast with two backs all you wankers.  I just wanna sex us some kids and play with your wife."

[ZLTFUL]

Zilbert, I get on this forum just to read your rants.
I need you as my PR manager in my small business, I couldnt loose

My fees are steep. I work for delusion. 

I don't hate Casey the way everyone else does, but that's pretty much what I understood him to be saying.  Either way, it's much better than Lorenzo who, while admittedly fast is hell, is also reported to have said "You know, make the beast with two backs all you wankers.  I just wanna sex us some kids and play with your wife."