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« on: October 23, 2012, 10:48:35 PM »

Apparently Ducati is now going to be manufacturing (okay, putting together prefabs kits) in Brazil

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2012/10/ducati-brazil-opens-for-business-with-local-manufacturing/

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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 06:08:49 AM »

basically they disassemble the bike, put it in a box...call it a kit and send it to South America for re-assembly to avoid some of the importation tariffs...pretty common actually...
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 07:18:14 AM »

Apparently Ducati is now going to be manufacturing (okay, putting together prefabs kits) in Brazil

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2012/10/ducati-brazil-opens-for-business-with-local-manufacturing/



This is for bikes for sale in Brazil.

The company assembling them will be Ducati, having set up business in Brazil.

Sounds kind of smart to me, especially given Brazil's crazy high import tariffs.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 09:10:16 AM »

So, there's no way to tell if you have a Brazilian assemble bike  boo
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 09:45:50 AM »

So, there's no way to tell if you have a Brazilian assemble bike  boo

if you live in Brazil, you will have a Brazil-assembled bike.

Again, this is only for hte Brazilian market.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 09:49:33 AM »

if you live in Brazil, you will have a Brazil-assembled bike.

Again, this is only for hte Brazilian market.

my point: the danger of those floating their way north.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 09:52:49 AM »

my point: the danger of those floating their way north.

probably won't happen.  i don't think ducati really wants to lower the number of bikes made in bologna.  i think this is more of a response to the crazy tariffs that brazil has on vehicles.

http://www.economist.com/node/21530144

Brazil has as much as a 50% tariff on imported vehicles.  This would make your typical Ducati absurdly expensive.  Assembling them in Brazil means they are price competitive and Ducati would rather build them locally than lose all sales.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2012, 12:22:20 PM »

look...they are doing in Brazil basically the same thing they did for the Far East market a year ago I think it was with the bikes built there like the 795 and so forth....
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2012, 12:56:30 PM »

Exactly and i think it dilutes the brand

i was looking for bmx bikes this weel. i found a diamondback and excited until i saw they are made in china now. 

i feel the same about ducati. they are italian they shoild be made in italy
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 12:57:27 PM »

i wonder about tank issues there. and engine.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2012, 01:37:07 PM »

Good point.  I read they burn a lot of 100% sugar cane ethanol in vehicles there.  Something like half of their cars run on pure ethanol?  Anyone from Brazil that can chime in?
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 02:17:19 PM »

probably won't happen.  i don't think ducati really wants to lower the number of bikes made in bologna.  i think this is more of a response to the crazy tariffs that brazil has on vehicles.

http://www.economist.com/node/21530144

Brazil has as much as a 50% tariff on imported vehicles.  This would make your typical Ducati absurdly expensive.  Assembling them in Brazil means they are price competitive and Ducati would rather build them locally than lose all sales.

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Not to mention that Brazil's economy is strong.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 06:15:44 PM »

^^ +2

AFAIK, Harley has been doing that for years in Indonesia (don't they also do that in Brazil?). My sportster was assembled here in Indonesia. Import duty and tax for completely built up vehicles are really expensive. By importing the bike in parts and assemble the parts in the country, the import duty and tax are much lower. At least that's what I've been told.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2012, 06:41:29 PM »

Exactly and i think it dilutes the brand

i was looking for bmx bikes this weel. i found a diamondback and excited until i saw they are made in china now. 

i feel the same about ducati. they are italian they shoild be made in italy

Interesting concept ... what makes a Duc a Duc (aside from web-feet)?

Do you agree that many of the recent past and current model designs are driven by consumer preferences from outside Italy?

Do you agree that the execution of those ‘non-Italian market’ designs is rather uniquely 'Ducati-like"?

Does the use of non-Italian components (suspension and electrical components, for example) "dilute the brand"?

Does ownership by a non-Italian parent (Planet Pacific/TPG or Audi, for example) “dilute the brand”?

What the heck does “dilute the brand” mean, anyway?

I could ask many of the same questions about VW and BMW automobiles assembled outside Germany (or inside Germany by a substantially non-German workforce) .  Certainly those vehicles still exhibit a set of unmistakably ‘German engineering and design characteristics’ that distinguish them from their competition (for better or worse).

My point is, the ‘nationalistic essence’ of these things, to the extent there is such a thing, is in the mindset of the designers (and often those people are foreign nationals that adopt the mindset as a part of fitting in to a corporate culture).  The place of fabrication/assembly has less and less to do with what makes those products characteristically “German”, “Italian”, “American”, or whatever, as the competitive/political/business climate evolves in the modern world.

Of course, all REAL Ducati elitists/purists know that the Ducati brand was irreparably diluted with the adoption of the cog-belt (or was it with the death of the trellis frame?).  One of those, for sure  Grin
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