Adding right front brake caliper to a Monster 400

[JUC01]

Hi all,

I have a 2001 model Monster 400 with single front brake disc/caliper and was wondering if anyone has upgraded to add dual brake setup? If so, does the master cylinder need upgrading as well? Does anyone know where I can get the complete brake setup?

Cheers in advance for your help.

Regards,

John

[koko64]

Yes, you do need a larger capacity m/c.
Yoyodyne and forum sponsors should be able to help you with parts. I'm sure a few forum members have done this mod.
Where are you?

[JUC01]

Hey koko,

I'm in Sydney.

I'll try the forum sponsors.

Cheers,

John

[koko64]

Welcome to the forum.

[JUC01]

Thank you Koko.

I tried searching the forum form similar topics but no luck. Maybe one of the sponsors could enlighten me?

Cheers,

John

[koko64]

Pm sent. Madalf has calipers for sale. Might fit  not sure. Yoyodyne have great prices for new oem parts so you match the other side.

[DarkMonster620]

juc, get a brake master from a M620, not dark or if so 2005-2006 vintage, those had 2 calipers  . . . you also will need the lines . . .from the same bike this, if you want to keep the coffin master, if you want to upgrade, sponsors can offer you a variety of masters to choose from . . .

Here are a few examples

http://www.bellissimoto.com/DucaBikeLevers.html
http://motowheels.com/i-9806590-brembo-oem-749-999-brake-master-cylinder-complete.html  → this would be a great option since it's complete with reservoir and all, you would just need to play with the line fitting a little
http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.4620.47  → keep it looking stock and it would be an "upgrade"
http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.5053.13
http://www.cyclebrakes.com/html/accossato.html  → these were recommended, but, never got an answer from them so, ... in the link I provided, they tell you which master for what application; I did replace an OEM Kawasaki Ninja 250 with one from Accossato and made a night/day difference, not my bike . ..

These are some of the options . . . there are many other brands out there and it all depends on how much you are willing to spend, remember, if you purchase any non-coffin master, you will need to purchase the mounting kit for the reservoir, microswitch, lines for 2x calipers, new set of pads[2] new rotors . . . from experience we are talking about, easily US$1100.00 if you go the RCS way like I did; if you go a less expensive way, then the price goes proportionally . . .

hope this helps

[JUC01]

Thank you Darkmonster and thank you all for the responses. The information provided has been awesome.

Cheers,

John

[DarkMonster620]

Thank you Darkmonster and thank you all for the responses. The information provided has been awesome.

Cheers,

John

You're welcome . . as said, options, limitless, your wallet will limit you, personally, I'd go with the 999 complete master, it would be plug and play and then, you would have to learn to brake again . . . it happened to me . .

Now, can you tell me if your bike has the 6 threaded holes on the other side? and the caliper support? just making sure we have the main topics covered: where to place the rotor and caliper . . .

[JUC01]

You're welcome . . as said, options, limitless, your wallet will limit you, personally, I'd go with the 999 complete master, it would be plug and play and then, you would have to learn to brake again . . . it happened to me . .

Now, can you tell me if your bike has the 6 threaded holes on the other side? and the caliper support? just making sure we have the main topics covered: where to place the rotor and caliper . . .

Thanks Darkmonster,

The left rotor is 6 bolt. Caliper support is pre existing with a cover. I am thinking of going with the Yoyodyne Brembo 16mm Master Cylinder. Koko has bought to my attention there are Brembo calipers for sale on the OzMonster Trading forum and I've also found a pair of eBay off a M620. I am thinking of maybe getting 2 new rotors as I'm having trouble locating a similar rotor to the existing left one. If I don't find a brake lines second hand then I'll get the braided lines from Yoyodyne. Is there anything I've overlooked?

Cheers,

John

[DarkMonster620]

Thanks Darkmonster,

The left rotor is 6 bolt. Caliper support is pre existing with a cover. I am thinking of going with the Yoyodyne Brembo 16mm Master Cylinder. Koko has bought to my attention there are Brembo calipers for sale on the OzMonster Trading forum and I've also found a pair of eBay off a M620. I am thinking of maybe getting 2 new rotors as I'm having trouble locating a similar rotor to the existing left one. If I don't find a brake lines second hand then I'll get the braided lines from Yoyodyne. Is there anything I've overlooked?

Cheers,

John

if you want, I have my "old set" of OEM lines for 2 calipers . ..  if you don't find I could sort of quote shipping to Australia from Panama and that would be your cost, shipping only via paypal

your best bet is to get 2 new rotors or 2 new used from the same bike and a new set of pads . . . best bet EBC F244HH . .. sintered and excellent . ..

[Nibor]

Sourced most of the parts myself, but ended up getting Brad Black to fit my upgrade due to a few hassles. I upgraded my 1998 m750.

Things to do:
- check your calliper spacing, it's either 40mm vertical holes (early style) or 65mm angled slightly offset to the forks themselves (later style). This will obviously affect your purchase.

- Get a decent quality RH caliper, as its near impossible to source a rebuild kit. Even if it means buying a pair, as they are often sold as such.

- get braided lines! Makes a huge difference. Better than 10+ year old rubber lines that may come with caliper. I got mine direct from Venhill in the UK to save money, but again be 100% sure on length, as mine came in ever so slightly too short since I've m900 forks fitted, and it didn't end up fitting. Had to buy a 2nd set.

- get new discs and pads. Not worth the hassle putting a half used or warped disc on. I tried to save money by buying Chinese discs off eBay, but mine were warped at new. Within their shit manufacturing specs still though! So that ended up costing me more money. I ended up with Metal Gear discs and pads from Qld.

- Don't forget 12 new rotor bolts, the stickies are quite soft and I had 2 round off on removal. Just unscrew the spacer/cover 3 bolts, and underneath is 6 bolt holes for a fresh rotor on the right.

- it'd best to upgrade the brake master to a larger size one. You'll find some markings on the underside of the master, you can tell what size yours is via this, and also ID the correct larger master you need this way. I just got 2nd hand but new is good too.

All this can be fitted in the shed with a few tools and some time and a bit of knowledge. Save a heap on labour cost and get to know your duke.

Overall mine was a frustrating experience due to a variety of issues,ostly relating to being a tightarse but I now enjoy the upgrade greatly!

Good luck

[JUC01]

Sourced most of the parts myself, but ended up getting Brad Black to fit my upgrade due to a few hassles. I upgraded my 1998 m750.

Things to do:
- check your calliper spacing, it's either 40mm vertical holes (early style) or 65mm angled slightly offset to the forks themselves (later style). This will obviously affect your purchase.

- Get a decent quality RH caliper, as its near impossible to source a rebuild kit. Even if it means buying a pair, as they are often sold as such.

- get braided lines! Makes a huge difference. Better than 10+ year old rubber lines that may come with caliper. I got mine direct from Venhill in the UK to save money, but again be 100% sure on length, as mine came in ever so slightly too short since I've m900 forks fitted, and it didn't end up fitting. Had to buy a 2nd set.

- get new discs and pads. Not worth the hassle putting a half used or warped disc on. I tried to save money by buying Chinese discs off eBay, but mine were warped at new. Within their shit manufacturing specs still though! So that ended up costing me more money. I ended up with Metal Gear discs and pads from Qld.

- Don't forget 12 new rotor bolts, the stickies are quite soft and I had 2 round off on removal. Just unscrew the spacer/cover 3 bolts, and underneath is 6 bolt holes for a fresh rotor on the right.

- it'd best to upgrade the brake master to a larger size one. You'll find some markings on the underside of the master, you can tell what size yours is via this, and also ID the correct larger master you need this way. I just got 2nd hand but new is good too.

All this can be fitted in the shed with a few tools and some time and a bit of knowledge. Save a heap on labour cost and get to know your duke.

Overall mine was a frustrating experience due to a variety of issues,ostly relating to being a tightarse but I now enjoy the upgrade greatly!

Good luck

Thanks Nibor,

Great info there and always handy from experience.

I have managed to purchase a pair of calipers off a M620 in excellent condition. I have found new rotors via the assistance of Pat as I felt it would be best getting new rotors and pads.

I have to purchase a a new brake master and brake lines which I'll likely end up getting from Yoyodyne unless I find them elsewhere.

Thank you all for your help and information. It has been immensely helpful.

Cheers,

John

[DarkMonster620]

Thanks Nibor,

Great info there and always handy from experience.

I have managed to purchase a pair of calipers off a M620 in excellent condition. I have found new rotors via the assistance of Pat as I felt it would be best getting new rotors and pads.

I have to purchase a a new brake master and brake lines which I'll likely end up getting from Yoyodyne unless I find them elsewhere.

Thank you all for your help and information. It has been immensely helpful.

Cheers,

John

In that case, have a look at this one, it would be a great upgrade

http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.8210.10

[OzzyRob]

Beringers are nice