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watch this fool swap a '96 900ss engine into an '01 M750

Started by Rudemouthsky, March 28, 2013, 10:45:23 AM

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Speeddog

#15
April 06, 2013, 05:49:26 PM
Lap the head/cylinder mating surfaces, nothing else besides that necessary.

Piston looks alright.

Be very careful with the oil rings, they're *quite* fragile.
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#16
April 06, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
 I'd measure the piston and then decide.
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#17
April 06, 2013, 10:12:25 PM
paint will look great from 5 feet (probably even 2), and ask anyone who looks closer and critiques why they think their opinion is of any importance to you.  or tell them to just make the beast with two backs off.

studs look ok, make sure they're magnetic.

looks like the oil rings have lost their ridges, not uncommon on these motors.  might be worth putting rings in it, even though they are pricey.  ian gowanloch at italspaes in aust has genuine ones fairly cheap.

i wouldn't call the je unreliable, i'd just say you need to do a few things typical of higher comp.  but the fuel issue is guiding you most it seems, which is very valid.

on engines that show the cylinder and head face has some unevenness (you can see it in the marks when you lift the heads, prior to cleaning anything) i use a thin bead of wurth engine sealer.
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Rudemouthsky

#18
April 12, 2013, 12:19:11 PM
Something else just dawned on me as I'm sitting here at work with my ss engine at home.

My 96 SS engine had 10mm bolts from what I remember reading here. My 01' frame has 12mm holes.

Am I going to need to source the 10mm mounting bolts?

Or can the SS engine be made to accommodate the 12mm bolts I already have?

I can't imagine a safe way to use 10mm bolts on a frame that is already drilled to 12mm..

thanks
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JohnEE

#19
April 12, 2013, 02:25:16 PM
Engine paint looks good IMO,  [popcorn]

Duck-Stew

#20
April 12, 2013, 05:05:37 PM
If you buy the Nichols engine mounting studs in 10mm they have machined for me before some 10 to 12mm adapters for free.  Don't know if they'd do it again though...

That may be the easiest way to shim down the frame hole to 10mm.

Alternately, I have drilled an engine case to 12mm from 10mm.  It wasn't easy though...
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Rudemouthsky

#21
April 12, 2013, 05:56:44 PM
   I've discovered in my searches that others have just used washers. Hmm.
Will any of the 10mm motor mount bolts from 90's Ducati engines work? such as the 916, 996, 748, etc.
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ducatiz

#22
April 12, 2013, 06:33:26 PM
If you prep the cylinders (soda blast) and then paint with a bake-on ceramic type paint, you can get good results, but most will run over time due to solvent (gas). 

There are several brake caliper paints and they are usually better resisting solvents. 

Also you can look at firearm coatings, like DuraCoat, which is specifically designed to resist heat and solvents.  I have painted fins using that and it's held up well.  Lots of colors too.
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#23
April 12, 2013, 06:52:00 PM Last Edit: April 12, 2013, 06:56:38 PM by Rudemouthsky
Check out these 2 different sets of bolts...I'm curious.

2002 bolts from a 998...what is that bolt with the wide sleeve on the nut? it almost seems as if the bolt is 10mm but that sleeve is for a 12mm hole?


This is from a 95. Totally different bolt.


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ducpainter

#24
April 12, 2013, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: Rudemouthsky on April 12, 2013, 06:52:00 PM
Check out these 2 different sets of bolts...I'm curious.

2002 bolts from a 998...what is that bolt with the wide sleeve on the nut? it almost seems as if the bolt is 10mm but that sleeve is for a 12mm hole?


This is from a 95. Totally different bolt.



That 'shoulder' on the nut looks bigger than 12mm
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Rudemouthsky

#25
April 12, 2013, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 12, 2013, 07:04:50 PM
That 'shoulder' on the nut looks bigger than 12mm

on which pair? The bottom set?
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ducpainter

#26
April 12, 2013, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: Rudemouthsky on April 12, 2013, 07:07:58 PM
on which pair? The bottom set?
Sorry...

the 998 nut...the top.

I don't think just using washers is a good idea. A machined sleeve for the frame holes would be better IMO.
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Rudemouthsky

#27
April 12, 2013, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 12, 2013, 07:16:39 PM
Sorry...

the 998 nut...the top.

I don't think just using washers is a good idea. A machined sleeve for the frame holes would be better IMO.

Yeah. I also do not want to drill out the cases. Any idea who could machine such a sleeve?

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ducpainter

#28
April 12, 2013, 07:46:36 PM
Quote from: Rudemouthsky on April 12, 2013, 07:22:29 PM
Yeah. I also do not want to drill out the cases. Any idea who could machine such a sleeve?


pm Monsterlover. He's a sponsor and lathe work is what his business is all about.
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Rudemouthsky

#29
April 12, 2013, 07:59:49 PM
Thanks. I PM'ed him.
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