Re: Should I expect a refund from Kevin at Northern Ohio Ducati?

[ducpainter]

I was going to lock this...but it's getting good. 

[Monsterlover]

I think the shipping should be refunded. That's what I would do, and have had done for me when I've had issues. I've also done it for others when they've had issues because I think its the right thing to do.

On the other side of that, Scott should have asked for pictures. I know it won't solve 100% of misrepresentation but it'll get most of it.

Live and learn.

[hbliam]

I'm shocked. I checked my Paypal and still don't have $5.05, $12.50, or $25. All this free press Kevin and you still haven't stepped up?

[hbliam]

On the other side of that, Scott should have asked for pictures. I know it won't solve 100% of misrepresentation but it'll get most of it.

Live and learn.

I agree. I've already said I blew it in that regard.

[Speeddog]

~~~SNIP~~~

Speeddog...As far as that Crank.. I told you my tech inspected it and it was fine but if you had an issue send it back. Never heard from you again about it and I'm fairly certain that you have bought something from me since...As have MANY members of the forum.

~~~SNIP~~~

Here's some pics:

The crank you sent me is on the left.
Another crank on the right.
One crank is fine, the other is most assuredly not fine.

Either your tech has no idea of what the surface of a rod journal should look like, or you're trying to throw him under the bus to save yourself.



A bit closer picture to more accurately depict the 'fine' condition of the crank you sent me.



Furthermore, I have most definitely NOT purchased anything from you since.

[BlackKat]

Thanks Duc  

As I said, condition is about perspective. I learned long ago that its rare that people will agree on condition. I have other hobbies where things are bought and sold on a used market as well and there is a clear definition of condition. Thus, why when you first messaged me and I saw it...I simply said, PLEASE RETURN THEM. You're missing that point. As far as ignoring you.. I rarely actually log out... I have the same 8-10 windows open on my laptop at all times and when I visit, I do...but I have no reason to ignore a request for refund...its not like $250.00 is a huge sum of money and I'm flying off to retire on it...C'mon man...be realistic. There is no sense arguing or addressing condition when I just accepted that our opinions were different and told you to return them.

You said...Like I would put rocks in the box....I ASSURE YOU... I'm not the only one that has had this happen. Again... I HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE OR WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF! You lecture me about how you gave someone a $360.00 refund for over paying you on something... OK GREAT..People NEVER make things up to seem more credible. TELL ME WHY YOU WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE? Why should I see you as this person with impeccable morals? We exchanged a few emails...

How did you not have my email from paypal??...Thats how paypal works. How did you suddenly start sending me emails if you didn't have it? Little hole in your story there.

I also never accused you of wanting to wait to see if they fit...It clear says exactly what you said...you wanted to see what the cost was to fix the parts you felt were not up to your standards.

As far as my quote about living with your ignorance...I apologized, but it really made no sense to spend $25.00 to ship them back. UPS Is so well known for the quality of care for the packages...so fast too!  

As I said before, I apologize Scott. I apologize to everyone reading this and wasting their valuable time. Scott and I will never agree on any part of this. Just too much water under the bridge, misinterpretations, miscommunications and annoyances on both parties!

[BlackKat]

Here's some pics:

The crank you sent me is on the left.
Another crank on the right.
One crank is fine, the other is most assuredly not fine.

Either your tech has no idea of what the surface of a rod journal should look like, or you're trying to throw him under the bus to save yourself.



A bit closer picture to more accurately depict the 'fine' condition of the crank you sent me.



Furthermore, I have most definitely NOT purchased anything from you since.

Well as I said...never heard from you again. Never got a crank back. If you would like a refund, I will happily do so... SHIPPING TOO!

[Monsterlover]

I agree. I've already said I blew it in that regard.

I know. That wasn't so much picking on you but more a warning for others.

[Skybarney]

I posted two cents, but not being involved I pulled my post, awww hell I spilled the popcorn.   

[hbliam]

Thanks Duc  

As I said, condition is about perspective. I learned long ago that its rare that people will agree on condition. I have other hobbies where things are bought and sold on a used market as well and there is a clear definition of condition. Thus, why when you first messaged me and I saw it...I simply said, PLEASE RETURN THEM. You're missing that point. As far as ignoring you.. I rarely actually log out... I have the same 8-10 windows open on my laptop at all times and when I visit, I do...but I have no reason to ignore a request for refund...its not like $250.00 is a huge sum of money and I'm flying off to retire on it...C'mon man...be realistic. There is no sense arguing or addressing condition when I just accepted that our opinions were different and told you to return them.

Condition is not about perspective. Condition is what condition is. Take a brand new part and tell me what marks, wear or damage it has. When you say something is flawless it should be without flaw. Not irreparably stained due to someone allowing the surfaces to come in contact with brake fluid. I just can't see how that is so difficult.

You said...Like I would put rocks in the box....I ASSURE YOU... I'm not the only one that has had this happen. Again... I HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE OR WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF! You lecture me about how you gave someone a $360.00 refund for over paying you on something... OK GREAT..People NEVER make things up to seem more credible. TELL ME WHY YOU WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE? Why should I see you as this person with impeccable morals? We exchanged a few emails...

I paid you after I agreed to. You know what you sent me so you agreed to take them back after you realized I wasn't stupid enough to accept them. Why would you automatically assume I'm trying to scam you? Because that's what you do to others?

And I relayed the integrity example AFTER you already had the parts back. Why do I need to tell you a story to make myself seem credible?

How did you not have my email from paypal??...Thats how paypal works. How did you suddenly start sending me emails if you didn't have it? Little hole in your story there.

I'm talking about your home address. Not your email address.

I also never accused you of wanting to wait to see if they fit...It clear says exactly what you said...you wanted to see what the cost was to fix the parts you felt were not up to your standards.

I stand corrected. I read your last post wrong. I will correct you in the fact that I wasn't trying to to fix them just to my standard, i was seeing how much it would cost to fix them to the condition you said they were in.

As far as my quote about living with your ignorance...I apologized, but it really made no sense to spend $25.00 to ship them back. UPS Is so well known for the quality of care for the packages...so fast too!  
As I said before, I apologize Scott. I apologize to everyone reading this and wasting their valuable time. Scott and I will never agree on any part of this. Just too much water under the bridge, misinterpretations, miscommunications and annoyances on both parties!

I have an idea. Refund my money. Then you can try apologizing.

As far as my integrity and credibilty. You really have no idea who you are talking to apparently.

[hbliam]

Here's some pics:

The crank you sent me is on the left.
Another crank on the right.
One crank is fine, the other is most assuredly not fine.

Either your tech has no idea of what the surface of a rod journal should look like, or you're trying to throw him under the bus to save yourself.

A bit closer picture to more accurately depict the 'fine' condition of the crank you sent me.

Furthermore, I have most definitely NOT purchased anything from you since.

Nick. Please post his description of the crank when he was selling it to you. I'd like to compare the two.

[hbliam]

DP, this is about played out. I would like to see Nicks response prior to it being closed if you don't mind.

[ungeheuer]

honestly,
i wouldn't air the dirty laundry

take it as a loss and lesson, always asked for detailed pics.

Disagree entirely.

If I was buying from "person unknown" I would ask for details pics for sure.  But... from within this community... from a longstanding member with whom I felt trust... I'd more than likely do as hbliam did and buy based on that trust without further question.  I believe that we in here ought be able to expect decency and honesty in dealings with each other above that which you'd expect "outside".

[ducpainter]

DP, this is about played out. I would like to see Nicks response prior to it being closed if you don't mind.

I agree.

I'd like to see it too.

Nick can post in locked threads if he chooses. It's a benefit provided to admins and mods.

Locked...but this issue is not closed from my perspective.

[Speeddog]

Kevin's ad for the crank is long gone.
From my memory, his description was "Perfect to send off to Ben Fox for balancing/polishing/knifedging"
He neglected to use the word "repair".

In response to Kevin's contention that the tech told him the crank was fine.

Amazing what the search button can find.

From BlackKat's "BlackKat's Il Mostro Cafe 2.0 (85% done updates)" thread.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=48815.msg1011491#msg1011491

So, Kevin, when the tech took *that* crank out of *your* blown-up motor, did he say it was fine?
Did he say those rod bearings were fine?
Why did you buy a new crank and rods, etc, if they were fine?

You take a ravaged crank out of *your* blown-up motor, sell it to me without disclosing it's true condition, then when I call you on the phone, you tell me the tech said it was fine?

And you repeat that again here?

Well I haven't had anything toooo exciting to update, but a few of my pals here have given me some stink about some new pics..

I'll start by saying I keep forgetting how many pieces a Ducati can be broken down into...

So I finally split the cases last week..... it was UGLY!




So, thank goodness I had a magnetic drain plug, Otherwise all this would be floating around inside my engine.


Oh wait..it reached its capacity and all that STILL was floating around my engine.


Here are the bearings that I found...the other is all the shrapnel throughout.


So glad I ordered a new crank, ALL bearings, rods and pistons...

~~~SNIP~~~