URGENT: Oz motorcycle riders are about to be screwed?

[Super T.I.B]

I agree. We should be burning cars, smashing glass and reminding the Govt that they actually work for us, and we pay for their junkets to Malaysia when the rest of us freeze in the winter winds.

Perhaps then they will remember that it is a good idea to listen to the people who put you on the gravy train...

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I would have to say a protest would have to be in the pipeline. And everyone who has a bike needs to get off there arses to show these pr*cks that we won't take it. Wasn't there one in Melbourne recently?

+ the state and Australian Motorcycle council's need to get a bit more vocal. As far as I'm concerned, they are weaker than camel's piss!

[Dockstrada]

I will be getting a custom front plate 

[techno]

Put me down for 1.  [moto]

I haven't told you how much yet.

[madalf71]

Intersting document. Excuse quality.

[ducsport]

Intersting document. Excuse quality.

Yeah, real interesting. Looks like a not so polite "pi$$ off" letter to me. I'm with Super and the protest brigade. Best protest I can think of is wholesale disobedience. If we all refuse to fit front plates and clog the legal system, we can send a strong message.

At least you have received a reply. I wrote to all of the transport ministers in NSW and the feral garment and not one of the lousy wastes of space has replied. Too busy sunning themselves overseas I suppose.

[madalf71]

Yes, it's an eye popper, comes via a friend in WA.
Civial dissobedience isn't going to help. once it's in, it's in. And besides we want a good public image.
A protest run similar to the recent sydney truckies would be a much better option, and have it on a weekend so the numbers are high.

[mattyvas]

A weekend protest ride would be best for sure.
A go slow over the Bridge through the city heading Nth would slow a decent amount of traffic.
It could start Sth head up the Princes Hwy into the City down George and onto the Bridge.

[madalf71]

A run down Eastlink would also be a goer.
For Victorian riders it would also be a good time to highlight the $40 levy and how it's spent, ie wheres the money going? Can we see the budget please?

I've seen nil action about issues, some dribs and drabs on the net, AMC is doing a bit but everyone else seems disorgansied. The other problem is information, unless you getb AMCN or TwoWheels regularly nobody knows.

Above all it needs to be civil, as in previous post. There's too many wanna bes out there.

Cheers

[ellingly]

Bit late to the party, but the assumption that the ADR is +/- 10% is wrong.

The relevant document states:
5.3
The speed indicated shall not be less than the true speed of the vehicle. At the test speeds specified in paragraph 5.2.5. above, there shall be the following relationship between the speed displayed (V1 ) and the true speed (V2).
0 ≤ (V1 - V2) ≤ 0.1 V2 + 4 km/h
Source: http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/files/ADR%201803.pdf

Note the first sentence of that: "The speed indicated shall not be less than the true speed of the vehicle". So it can't under-read and pass the ADRs! Furthermore, it can be out by 10% of the true speed + 4 km/h, so at 110 (indicated) you could potentially be doing only 96-97 km/h and still pass the ADRs.

So, the Victorian police are capable of doing what they're doing and it isn't able to be challenged under that part of the ADRs. You can, however, challenge it based on the increments of the speedos, which are specified to be 1, 2, 5 or 10 km/h; if your vehicles increments are 5 km/h and you were pinged for < 5 km/h over the limit you might have a very small basis for a challenge.

[DosVerde]

I would have to say a protest would have to be in the pipeline. And everyone who has a bike needs to get off there arses to show these pr*cks that we won't take it. Wasn't there one in Melbourne recently?

+ the state and Australian Motorcycle council's need to get a bit more vocal. As far as I'm concerned, they are weaker than camel's piss!

There was a protest ride in Melbourne on Saturday 5th. About 1500 bikes met up and rode the length of the new (and for 1 month - free) Eastlink Tollway at 90km/h. Unfortunatley I was unable to make it, and I've yet to speak to someone who was there. However talking to the "Motorcycling Illiterate" around me, it seems the messages did not get across too well. The common thread from their comments was "we have no sympathy for motorcyclists, why shouldn't they pay tolls....."

I think that there were too many issues wanting to be told, front number plates, the $56 Rego levy, Wire rope barriers, and some complaining about paying tolls on the new Eastlink tollway. (personally I don't have a problem paying 1/2 of a car toll).

BTW, the Victorian MRA was not involved with this protest. But I think it shows that if we want to get a message across to the government, and hopefully public support, we need to be focused and smart about the way we do it.

- is that more than 2c worth ?

[wraith]

There was a protest ride in Melbourne on Saturday 5th. About 1500 bikes met up and rode the length of the new (and for 1 month - free) Eastlink Tollway at 90km/h. Unfortunatley I was unable to make it, and I've yet to speak to someone who was there. However talking to the "Motorcycling Illiterate" around me, it seems the messages did not get across too well. The common thread from their comments was "we have no sympathy for motorcyclists, why shouldn't they pay tolls....."

I think that there were too many issues wanting to be told, front number plates, the $56 Rego levy, Wire rope barriers, and some complaining about paying tolls on the new Eastlink tollway. (personally I don't have a problem paying 1/2 of a car toll).

BTW, the Victorian MRA was not involved with this protest. But I think it shows that if we want to get a message across to the government, and hopefully public support, we need to be focused and smart about the way we do it.

- is that more than 2c worth ?
 
Dos you make utter sense, not like the twat's on TV that came across as tight arses not wanting to pay tolls, public support is needed for issues that are important (ie  firstly barriers sencondly number plates) but perhaps rather than community unity/support, were needing an filthy rich lobbyist to engage the government and pay them off i'm sure that would work

[White Lion]

Just a thought: wouldn't the most effective way to stage a 'go slow' be during peak hour?  I know peak hour already goes slow enough, but slowing drivers down on their way to work would cost a hell of a lot more to the community than slowing them down on their way to sporting event... Just look at the train union this week- Government does not like protests getting in the way of business.

I know you guys would think I would be siiting on the other side of the fence here, but you tell me when the 'go-slow' is and i'll be there.  [moto]

[sydmonster]

A weekend protest ride would be best for sure.
A go slow over the Bridge through the city heading Nth would slow a decent amount of traffic.
It could start Sth head up the Princes Hwy into the City down George and onto the Bridge.

Yup with my pipes missing and extra loud plates in the clutch... - Chris

[Super T.I.B]

Just a thought: wouldn't the most effective way to stage a 'go slow' be during peak hour?  I know peak hour already goes slow enough, but slowing drivers down on their way to work would cost a hell of a lot more to the community than slowing them down on their way to sporting event... Just look at the train union this week- Government does not like protests getting in the way of business.

I know you guys would think I would be siiting on the other side of the fence here, but you tell me when the 'go-slow' is and i'll be there.  [moto]

How can you say that...being a honourable member of the 

I think doing it your way would only make the "ordinary" people of Sydney hate us more.

To stage a protest out of peak hours would mean that our message would mean more. I.E We want to be heard, but not at the expense of the, Kevin Rudd's famous phrase, "The Working Families" of Sydney who have to battle peak hour traffic every day. To make the traffic even worse because of thousands? of hairy arsed hooligans making a protest plus the bikers who drive a car to work would not turn up, so a weekend is the way to go, IMHO.

[White Lion]

I think maybe i'm just an arsehole 

...your points are pretty damn good. I'll go with yours.