Crowdsourcing: Help with Engine Number vs. Model Year and Size Table

Started by Speeddog, February 21, 2014, 07:40:39 PM

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koko64

Nick
You want just US numbers or going international for the archives?
2015 Scrambler 800

Speeddog

Quote from: koko64 on February 23, 2014, 03:01:59 PM
Nick
You want just US numbers or going international for the archives?

Originally I was thinking just US, as the numbers are less obviously informative, and not explained by official documentation (that I've found).

But there's no reason to exclude the rest of the world in this, we're all in this mess together.  ;D
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1998 M900
2007 CBR600RR Track Bike
1982 Virago 920 Cafe/Fighter Project
1980 Lambretta Moped
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DarkMonster620

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Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
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NAKID

2005 S2R800
2006 S2R1000
2015 Monster 821

brad black

euro # are different, and all follow the same style from 1989 onwards.

first three letters just mean ducati.

then comes capacity in cc.  there are a few variations to this.  400 are 398cc, but have 400, 600 are 583cc, but have 600, 906 paso have 906 for 900 6 speed.

then cooling, Air or Water

then # of valves per cylinder

then variant

then engine number in sequence, 6 digits.

ZDM 600 A 2 C 005678.  ducati, 600cc, air cooled, 2 valves, carby, #005678

ZDM400A2Cxxxxxx     400ss, m400 carby
ZDM400A2xxxxxx       m400 injected
ZDM600A2Cxxxxxx     600ss, m600
ZDM620A2xxxxxx       620 sport, m620ie
ZDM620A2Bxxxxxx     m620ie (6 speed i assume)
ZDM659A2xxxxxx       m659
ZDM695A2xxxxxx       m695
ZDM696A2xxxxxx       m696
ZDM748A2Cxxxxxx     750ss, m750 carb
ZDM748A2xxxxxx       750ssie, m750ie
ZDM796A2xxxxxx       hm796 i'm guessing, don't have one on file
ZDM796A2Bxxxxxx      m796
ZDM800A2xxxxxx       800ss, m800
ZDM904A2Cxxxxxx     900ss carb, m900 carb
ZDM904A2xxxxxx       900ssie
ZDM904A2Kxxxxxx     m900ie, mhe.  k denotes close ratio gearbox
ZDM906W2Cxxxxxx    906 paso
ZDM906W2Ixxxxxx     907ie, only I variant afaik
ZDM944W2xxxxxx      st2
ZDM992A2xxxxxx      1000ssie, m1000ie, s2r1000, sc1000, gt1000, mts1000
ZDM1078A2xxxxxx    mts1100
ZDM1078ABxxxxxx    hm1100
ZDM1078ACxxxxxx    m1100
ZDM1078ADxxxxxx    hm1100evo
ZDM1078AExxxxxx    m1100evo

ZDM992W3xxxxxx     st3

ZDM748W4xxxxxx      748, 748sp
ZDM748W4Bxxxxxx     748r
ZDM749W4xxxxxx      749
ZDM749W4Bxxxxxx    749s
ZDM749W4Cxxxxxx    749r
ZDM848W4xxxxxx      848
ZDM848W4Bxxxxxx    848 evo
ZDM848W4Cxxxxxx    sf848
ZDM851W4xxxxxx      ?, 1989 851sp i assume
ZDM851W4Bxxxxxx    851 strada
ZDM888W4xxxxxx      851 sp2/3, 888sp4.  not sure if sp5 is this or a C variant
ZDM888W4Bxxxxxx    888 strada
ZDM916W4xxxxxx      916, 916sp
ZDM916W4Cxxxxxx    st4
ZDM916W4Dxxxxxx    ms4, (st4 with close ratio gearbox)
ZDM996W4xxxxxx      996, 916sps, 996sps
ZDM996W4Bxxxxxx    st4s, ms4r
ZDM998W4xxxxxx      998, 999 03 - 04
ZDM998W4Bxxxxxx    998s, 999s, 999 2005>
ZDM998W4Cxxxxxx    s4rs, s4rt
ZDM1098W4xxxxxx    1098, 1098s
ZDM1098W4Bxxxxxx   sf1098
ZDM1198W4xxxxxx    1098r
ZDM1198W4Bxxxxxx  1198, 1198s
ZDM1198W4Cxxxxxx  mts1200 (diavel also i think)

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monsta

was gunna post the monster and 748, but Brad has it covered with his post.
they're the same as he has written...
93 M900 - 07 ST3 - 00 748s trackbike - 78 900SS - 13 848 EVO Corse SE

clubhousemotorsports

#25
So on the US models the 3rd number is the displacement and 4th is the year it was built.
As Nick has posted the dates are the same as the vin so prior to 2001 you have a letter for the year. from 2001 onward you have the year (number).

3rd number does not seem to matter if it is a monster or a supersport, they are only concerned with displacement.
900 = 4
996 = 5
750 = 3    (note a 748 is the same as a 750 2 valve as they both are 748cc)
620 = 2
800 = A
851 = 6
916 = 8
1000 = B  (should be both 2 and 3 valve)
695 =  D

My 650 has a completely different engine number and the ducati engine in the grand canyon has a non-US type engine number ZDM*****

Good for finding out if that 996 cases are a 748 or a 996, though you have to watch out still as I have a 900 that is an 853 and a 620 that may soon be a 795 and a 695 that could easily become an 800. I have also built 916 cases into an 851 and 748's into 916's.

Speeddog

I think we've almost got the Magic Decoder Ring assembled. :)

03/05/14 Updated table in 1st post
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clubhousemotorsports

And then Ducati throws you a curve..........
Just noticed my new trackday cases engine VIN starts with H74
Should be 900 cc engine by what we have found right?

Sorry it is a 748R

So maybe the trend is only for standard production cases.
Oh and the 851 cases I have start with HB6

1.21GW

I know you already have this info in the table, but here is mine anyway:

2001 M900Sie.  Fourth owner; I know the third didn't swap the engine but can't speak for other two.  That said, nothing in maintenance records I inherited suggest a swap.

RA41
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