Pazoma?

[Ducatamount]

I get upset about knock offs because I have been knocked off before...  Has nothing to do with Gucci.  

I guess I would too.
But you do have to admit you have spent a lot of money on every high end accesssory/modification you can get.
How much do you have into your bike? Seems very high end thus the Gucci comparison.
Yes... I am an envious A-hole  

[Metzis]

Most of the times what you pay is what you get right? But for example i tried a local store with parts a year ago while i was on the search for a pair of levers!!! He showed me a branded pair in the price of 95€ i purchased the pair that is on my bike 22 or 25 i am not quite sure and they are identical but without the name of the brand. I want to say that there are a lot of brands out there that by chinese machined parts they put the logo on and sell 3 times the price... If i would like to spent 200 in levers of course i would take a matching quality... My opinion is before you buy anything spent some time to search and you never know!!!!

[NAKID]

I get upset about knock offs because I have been knocked off before...  Has nothing to do with Gucci.   

I can understand the sentiment if you thought you were buying Pazzo Or Rizoma because the part had that name on it only to find out that it was a knockoff. This however is different. You know exactly what you're getting, it's not pretending to be either one of those. It is a ripoff of the design, but that's all.

[Rudemouthsky]

I can understand the sentiment if you thought you were buying Pazzo Or Rizoma because the part had that name on it only to find out that it was a knockoff. This however is different. You know exactly what you're getting, it's not pretending to be either one of those. It is a ripoff of the design, but that's all.

Yep, this. In fact I'll prolly get the "Pazoma" billet reservoir brackets since Brembo wants 6x more for their cheesy stamped ones.

[caperix]

I can understand the sentiment if you thought you were buying Pazzo Or Rizoma because the part had that name on it only to find out that it was a knockoff. This however is different. You know exactly what you're getting, it's not pretending to be either one of those. It is a ripoff of the design, but that's all.

The main issue I have with some of the Chinese companies is that they will ignore copy write laws.  So when you buy from the Original company some of what you pay for is the development time, where the knock off just reverse engineered it.  The quality of the Chinese parts has come along way in recent years.  I do hate that every time I look for anything on Ebay I have to go through 10 pages of these knock off parts though.

[duccarlos]

Remember that many of the brand name companies now outsource their manufacturing to Chinese factories. They receive the specs and build 2 sets, on ewith the brand name and the other without. In many cases you're getting exactly the same quality. In other times, it's blatant copyright infringement when they reverse engineer the part. The best way to find out is to try to figure out if the brand name outsources. If they do, then it's open season!

[Metzis]

Remember that many of the brand name companies now outsource their manufacturing to Chinese factories. They receive the specs and build 2 sets, on ewith the brand name and the other without. In many cases you're getting exactly the same quality. In other times, it's blatant copyright infringement when they reverse engineer the part. The best way to find out is to try to figure out if the brand name outsources. If they do, then it's open season!

 

[NAKID]

Remember that many of the brand name companies now outsource their manufacturing to Chinese factories. They receive the specs and build 2 sets, on ewith the brand name and the other without. In many cases you're getting exactly the same quality. In other times, it's blatant copyright infringement when they reverse engineer the part. The best way to find out is to try to figure out if the brand name outsources. If they do, then it's open season!

Right, and I see it going like this:
Product A meets tolerances= Name Brand
Product B does not= Cheap-O

[ChrisK]

The main issue I have with some of the Chinese companies is that they will ignore copy write laws.  So when you buy from the Original company some of what you pay for is the development time, where the knock off just reverse engineered it.  The quality of the Chinese parts has come along way in recent years.  I do hate that every time I look for anything on Ebay I have to go through 10 pages of these knock off parts though.

On the left side of ebay select "US Only" for the item location and you'll have far less knockoff crap.

[Rudemouthsky]

Right, and I see it going like this:
Product A meets tolerances= Name Brand
Product B does not= Cheap-O

Eh, that's probably a stretch and a mostly innacurate assumption. Espec if you think that's the rule. Manufacturing costs are obviously way lower than elsewhere but the "if its too good to be true" rules still apply. Although I originally thought that about the levers but man are they nice for $30. The $5 bar ends though are crap.

I'll admit I would never trust the frame sliders...they're probably fine...but Chris @ Cycle Cat has a lot more incentive to not kill me than "Pazoma" lol

[xcaptainxbloodx]

I treat this sort of part the same way I treat Harbor Freight.

If it doesn't need to carry a significant load, operate within a tolerance, or involve too many moving parts, Ill pick it up until I require a higher end tool/part.

otherwise I would rather go without until I can afford the better it

there is not a hell of a lot of parts that fit this criteria in motorcyle pats. oil fill cap? belt cover? maybe a lever?

[Speeddog]

I've installed quite a few sets of copycat "CRG" mirrors that customers bring in.
I charge more for installation.
Why, you ask?

I've had to fit different bolts because the supplied ones are too long/too short/head is too big/threads make the beast with two backsed up.
I've had to tap deeper threads/chase threads.
I've had to enlarge the part of the clamp that goes around the supplied bar end because it's too make the beast with two backsing small.
I've had to fix the chamfer on the wedge nut so the bar end would lock inside the bar.

Often, they won't hold position, because the ball is made of cheese plastic.
Or the rectangular hole in the ball for the dog-leg is too big, and the bolt can't be tightened enough to hold it because it's cheese plastic.
Or a month later, the make the beast with two backsing glass falls out.

It's bad enough that they blatantly copy every visual/shape aspect of the original product, but then they top it off by doing such a shoddy job of it that it's a pretty crappy product.

With genuine CRG mirrors, I can literally take them straight out of the box and put them on.
And they stay on, and stay adjusted, and the glass doesn't fall out.
And if you need replacement parts, you can get them.

[Skybarney]

I guess I would too.
But you do have to admit you have spent a lot of money on every high end accesssory/modification you can get.
How much do you have into your bike? Seems very high end thus the Gucci comparison.
Yes... I am an envious A-hole  

Yup I have about 21k into the bike.  More than any other bike I have ever owned.  In fact, I have never bought more for a bike than a new seat or sprockets and tires in my life....  It took me 20 years of waiting to finally be able to do it with no regrets.  Had I only been able to afford the bike and the mods/maintenance were gonna cost me money I missed, I would be riding a stock Honda.

I have always had the view (even when broke) that if a company designs and builds a product they deserve the rewards for doing so.  Granted the China "copies" may be selling to people that would never buy the original but the principal remains the same.  

As I said though, I have been burned and it hurt more than a single product I had.  It hurt my desire to chase other ideas and products I have had as I am completely aware of just how easily and quickly one gets ripped by China.  

BTW I also plan on having 80k on it while still under warranty  

Now that I am done with the mods it is nice to just ride it.

[Rudemouthsky]

I think some of you are blurring the line between "made in China" and cheap, counterfeit crap.

[Triple J]

To each their own, but I support the companies that support the motorcycling community when at all possible.

Vortex, Speedymoto, Woodcraft, CRG...all are local, all make quality parts (in-house for the most part), and all support the moto community. I'm sure there are many more (Rizoma, etc). I've done a trackday pitted next to the Speedymoto guys (there aren't many of them), and they were all awesome. Woodcraft, Vortex, & CRG all support local racing. All of these companies also try to continuously improve their products.

The Chinese companies don't give a crap about the community...they just want your money. Some of their parts are good...some are shit. I wouldn't have a problem with them, except they blatantly steal other's designs instead of doing their own R&D. It's one thing if the local companies ship their designs to China to get manufactured, and then are suprised when knockoffs show up...it's totally different when they're making stuff locally and knockoffs show up.