Road Rage on Mandeville Canyon...

[derby]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bikers12-2008dec12,0,147065.story

[Gus Duc]

Good catch Derby

[derby]

guilty:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/11/jury-reaches-verdict-in-cycling-case.html

[Gus Duc]

On all 7 counts

Next up: sentencing.........

[gm2]

guilty:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/11/jury-reaches-verdict-in-cycling-case.html

i was gonna post that but never got around to finding this thread 

nice.

[MetalDuc]

i was gonna post that but never got around to finding this thread 

nice.

Why? It's not like you have anything keeping you busy 

The guy didn't even look remorseful when they were taking him to jail from court.

[sbrguy]

i'm very happy that he is guilty with any luck he will lose his med license forever, and be put in jail for at least 3-5 years.  with any luck he dies in jail.

he completely deserves it, and thought he would get away with it because he is a rich Doctor.  He is such a loser, I truly hope that he lives out his last days in jail and misses vital things in his childrens and grandchildrens lives. 

with any luck he will also lose his house and possessions in a civil suit from the poeple he tried to kill with his car because they were slowing him down on the way to his house.   lest you say i'm being harsh, just think, would you let a guy off the hook if your daughter's face was put in the back of a car window just becuase they were riding a bicycle in the road?  didn't think so.   

[MendoDave]

We have Black & white (regulatory) signs that say "slower vehicles must pull over to permit passing" That goes for everybody.

I keep hearing from the bicycle community "Share the road"

Well?...

Then there's this.

Mom Violence at Critical Mass

[MendoDave]

But also this.

Bicycles and Cars in "Road Wars" (News Report - Los Angeles)

[sbrguy]

i agree everyone has to follow the laws, of course you have bad cyclists, but you have thousands of times more bad drivers. If you break then the law enforcment should write you up.

but you are not allowed to take the law into your own hands, if you do you should face the consequences and be put in jail, its not your job.  that is why we pay taxes for law enforcement, so that they do the job that was given to them.

so what you are saying is, you "should be allowed" to try to kill someone if they are inconveniencing you and breaking the law? 

that is like someone saying "i am allowed to hit you and your kid with my car because you crossed on a red light you are breaking the law and inconveniencing me you should be taught a lesson and severly hurt".  sorry but that is just horrible logic.  just because its "cool" to bash on cyclists doesn't make it right at all.  call the police if you see someone breaking the law that is what they are there for.

[erkishhorde]

Around SLO they've been cracking down on bicyclists breaking street laws. Many of them breeze stop lights/signs and make random turns from any lane they feel like. I know it's probably not all of them, but I've never seen a bicyclist stop for a stop sign. They're trying to get bicyclists to obey traffic laws on campus by putting up additional signs next to all the stop signs with cartoon character references. 

[COWBOY]

that is like someone saying "i am allowed to hit you and your kid with my car because you crossed on a red light you are breaking the law and inconveniencing me you should be taught a lesson and severly hurt".  sorry but that is just horrible logic.  just because its "cool" to bash on cyclists doesn't make it right at all.  call the police if you see someone breaking the law that is what they are there for.

In one area you argue that your bike is a vehicle and as such has a right to be on the road and then you follow it up with an argument that you're not liable or at fault if you're hit breaking the law?

If you're on the road you're liable for your actions.  If you run a red light, get hit and die - under the law it's your fault.  It doesn't matter whether you were in a car, on a motorcycle or riding a bike (hell in most states if you're jaywalking and get hit the driver isn't liable).  

I'd agree bikes have a place on the road but please stop the spandex armor argument where you get special protection or privilege because you pedal.  Rights have responsibilities AND consequences if not practiced with care.  That goes for all vehicles on the road.  As a motorcyclist this lesson should already be ingrained. 

Cheers.

[somegirl]

Around SLO they've been cracking down on bicyclists breaking street laws. Many of them breeze stop lights/signs and make random turns from any lane they feel like. I know it's probably not all of them, but I've never seen a bicyclist stop for a stop sign.

That's pretty common on college campuses, unfortunately.

On Stanford campus I can typically distinguish bicyclists as undergrads vs grad students at a glance just by their behavior and whether they have a helmet.

[sbrguy]

In one area you argue that your bike is a vehicle and as such has a right to be on the road and then you follow it up with an argument that you're not liable or at fault if you're hit breaking the law?

If you're on the road you're liable for your actions.  If you run a red light, get hit and die - under the law it's your fault.  It doesn't matter whether you were in a car, on a motorcycle or riding a bike (hell in most states if you're jaywalking and get hit the driver isn't liable).  

I'd agree bikes have a place on the road but please stop the spandex armor argument where you get special protection or privilege because you pedal.  Rights have responsibilities AND consequences if not practiced with care.  That goes for all vehicles on the road.  As a motorcyclist this lesson should already be ingrained. 

Cheers.

no what i'm saying is that as a cyclist you have to obey the law, and if someone sees you breaking the law they should call the police to write you up.  But you are not allowed to ever take the law into your own hands and mete out justice as you view it to  "teach someone a lesson" by hitting them with a car.

if the police want to write up cycilsts for breaking the law they are allowed that is ok. 

what i put that hypothetical up is that most people will say the common arguement of "well if you do anything wrong then I AM ALLOWED AND ITS MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO teach you a lesson because you are on a bicycle and i say that because well everyone hates cyclists so i'm going to do it because its cool and everyone hates cyclists anyway, so i'll get off, etc." 

point is don't take the law into your own hands, that is not your job, if you do and you are not in law enforcement you deserve to be put in jail for life you are not judge jury and executioner, those are jobs for others.

[MendoDave]

"I am the law"!