MotoGP 2015 Argentina ***SPOILER***

[ab]

What a race!  Very happy for VR46!   

Cal just clenched at the last corner.  Nice.

MM is coming back with a vengeance.

Fire fire fire - pramac.

[The Don]

Can I ask, what is all this hate for Lorenzo? Is he the new Stoner for all you haters out there? You might not like him as a person but he is a great rider/racer and a multi world champ, talk of giving up his seat, pfft, really.😠😠😠

[HotIce]

I think it is more perplexity over hate. As in, where is he now?
Today he vanished like only Pedro could do.

[1.21GW]

Just read a MM interview on the news, and he does not blame VR for the accident.
He also said the extra hard tire was not a good match for his bike, so they had to pick the hard one.

Good to hear.  I never pegged him for a sour loser, though he doesn't lose much so I don't have a lot of data to work off of.

Cal is an idiot ...what the hell were the comments about in the post race interview ( on BT sports ) about the pass , and him saying crap about last year on the Duc ...the guy always looks pissed

Not sure which interview was on BT sports, but on the motoGP video he said "i'd like to thank all the people that wrote me off", which I guess was a dig at ducati.  Buddy, you finished third.  Progress, no doubt, but it's a little early for the screw-all-you-who-doubted me speech.  Ranting never looks good, but it looks less bad when you have a trophy in your arms.

Can I ask, what is all this hate for Lorenzo? Is he the new Stoner for all you haters out there? You might not like him as a person but he is a great rider/racer and a multi world champ, talk of giving up his seat, pfft, really.😠😠😠

My give-up-seat comment was meant more in jest. I don't hate him (I don't really hate anyone), but I'm not a fan.  My reasons: he seems to take himself so seriously, which I generally am not a fan of as a character trait.  Additionally, his style is more about getting ahead and running off with the race and as such he doesn't seem to have the fight in him that MM and VR do.  I love that VR's two victories this year came with him a row or two back of the pole.  I also love seeing MM race back from last place or wherever in Qatar after that error at the start; and I loved seeing his crazy practice lap at Austin---hell, even the way he booked it full sprint to pick up his bike and rejoin the race after his get off today.  The kid's competitiveness is overt.  Jorge may have it, but you'd never know.  But no doubt he is talented.  Anyway, that's my cause for lack of love for him, can't speak for others.

[Raux]

Rossi look back and then quick flick right with mm still technically next to him was shitty imo.. he also had cut mm's line on the previous corner. To me not a proud win for vr. Maybe he was upset about the ianone touch in the beginning, but it just seemed he took mm out.

[Raux]

He had the speed he didnt need to cut mm off.

[HotIce]

What are you talking about?
First, MM, which had VR in front, hit him straight up.
Second, VR was in front, preparing for the next turn, and could not see MM putting his front tire right next of his rear.
Watch again ...

http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story/motogp-valentino-rossi-marc-marquez-clash-in-thrilling-argentina-grand-prix-041915

[Raux]

I did ten times and rossi did turn his head right before moving right on mm, which wasnt even the race line

[Raux]

Zarco did the same thing on simeon last moto2 race. Blocking is gine but not when they aee next to you, thats taking someone out

[1.21GW]

I did ten times and rossi did turn his head right before moving right on mm, which wasnt even the race line

When I saw the head turn, I assumed it was just to check on him to see what happened since they had contact in the corner.  I didn't think it was anything nefarious about it.  The fact that he knew MM was still close behind him doesn't mean that he knew MM's tire was next to his rear or hoped to take him out.  That's a big deductive leap to make.

As for the comment on whether that is the race line, I can't tell from the video.  Maybe someone else has insight on this.

[HotIce]

I did ten times and rossi did turn his head right before moving right on mm, which wasnt even the race line

You seem to be the only one thinking that, as even MM and Honda has been quiet about it:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Moto/moto-GP/19-04-2015/argentina-marquez-rossi-incidente-110515010022.shtml

[1.21GW]

I did ten times and rossi did turn his head right before moving right on mm, which wasnt even the race line

Don't know if you have MotoGp subscription, but good view from above of the crash @ 3:25 and it looks like it is right on the dark race line:

http://www.motogp.com/en/video_update/2015/04/19/rossi-makes-up-5-secs-in-13-laps-to-beat-marquez/174263

[koko64]

I see it Kopf's way, I'll tell you why.
I have always had the opinion that Rossi was so good, so skilled, that he could make a dirty move and make it look like an honest racing incident, thereby getting away with it. His popularity always gave him a leg up in that case unless it was an obvious yellow flag incident like in Australia. There I said it...

That being said, MM can't complain.. The little bugger could learn a thing or two about "fixing someone up" and making it look innocent.

My coach said, "Against a dirty fighter you gotta' fix 'em up, one foul per round, and make it a different foul each time to not get points deducted". I believe Rossi has that skill in spades, like a bloody Italian soccer player. "Oh my leg, he foul me in the penalty area".
So Rossi was doing to MM what was needed which is ok (Biaggi deserved it too), but he has done it to clean riders (like Gibber and Stoner) which was wrong.

This aint gymnicestics

[thought]

Zarco did the same thing on simeon last moto2 race. Blocking is gine but not when they aee next to you, thats taking someone out

From the other shots that I saw, it looked to be Rossi getting onto the race line... I think even the announcers called that when it happened.

And I'd have to say that I really cant fault Rossi for those moves at all.  He was ahead of MM, on the race line (from what I saw), and it was tight racing.  MM was trying to make a pass in the turn previous where there was no room to pass and made contact first.  For the second, MM should have backed off a bit but he was probably too deep into the red mist to think about that.  I mean, the only other option would have been expecting Rossi to back off of the lead and change his racing line to make room for MM.

If anything I would say you should probably give MM a point or 2 for being a bit overly aggressive in that pass attempt.  Replaying that clip a couple of times you can pretty much see that there was no way MM was going to fit into that corner and nothing Rossi could really do if he planned on making that next left hander.

[Raux]

And marquez' comment about the crsh tells me he think rossi got away with it. " I've always said that he's my idol and my reference, so you always learn things from him.