MotoGP 2015 Argentina ***SPOILER***

[duccarlos]

When the Yamaha was Rossi's baby, Jorghey was riding the crap out of it. I think Vale's settings suit JLO just fine, more so than the direction HRC has gone to suit MM over the Turd. I think it's more the fact that it takes longer for Jorghey to come to terms with changes. Last year he spent most of the fist half of the season just trying to figure out the new Stones. This year they get a seamless gearbox. God knows what will happen next year as they're trying to the Michelins.

[Triple J]

I think JLo's problems mainly stem from the revised front tire. That was the start anyway...now he's in his own head a bit. Still, he may rebound in the European rounds.

His other problem is that he doesn't really like to race. He'd prefer to jump out front and put down flawless laps.  Rossi and MM both love to race, and IMO this gives them a nice advantage.

[duccarlos]

His other problem is that he doesn't really like to race. He'd prefer to jump out front and put down flawless laps.  Rossi and MM both love to race, and IMO this gives them a nice advantage.

+1

This is why he would storm to the front in the first few laps. He could then spend the rest of the time focused on perfecting his laps. If it was a race against the clock, he would be a force to be reckon with. I could see him doing well on a TT style race, going from A to B as quickly as possible but rarely seeing anyone else on the course.

[ducpainter]

But without the Rossi debacle there would not be a new Duc. They unfortunately burned 2 bridges, Rossi and Stoner.

I think that's true to a point, but I doubt Ducati started losing with Stoner...lost Rossi...got a call from PM about them bailing, and then called Gigi to see if he was interested in bailing them out.

Things move really slowly in the corporate world.

I think when Stoner started losing/crashing, Melandri went nowhere, and Rossi couldn't do as well as Stoner...the wheels started in motion to find a replacement for Preziosi.

Add to the equation the Audi connection.

It wasn't all Rossi.

[1.21GW]

Lorenzo:

"At the moment, I don't know how to ride when I have spinning, I can't ride like Valentino does. He rode an incredible race." His goal for the future is simple. "I have to learn to be fast again. If we can be fast again, we can fight for podiums and from there, start thinking about the victory again."

The first part is interesting.  He recognizes that he doesn't have the ability to handle spinning tires, or at least not to VR's skill level. 



Quote taken from here: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/04/20/2015_argentina_motogp_post_race_round_up.html

[ducpainter]

Lorenzo:

The first part is interesting.  He recognizes that he doesn't have the ability to handle spinning tires, or at least not to VR's skill level. 



Quote taken from here: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/04/20/2015_argentina_motogp_post_race_round_up.html

Two things need to happen for J-Lo to win:

1. Everything must be perfect.
2. He needs to jump out front in the first two laps.



<snipped the pipe dream...>
 

Pre4tty sure Frank hit the nail on the head...

[HotIce]

If you can't ride "spinning tires", the only alternative is the couch  

[Privateer]

It would be more interesting to predict how many mm will lap, he's a freak,.
I'll stick my neck out now and say mm is the GOAT, all you VR lovers will call it blasphemy I know 😉

two reasons I think the bump was on purpose, maybe not to put MM in the dirt, but at least to put him off line and send him backwards:
1) the look back.  I've played a lot of competitive sports.  I know that look.  I've given it, and received it, many times.  the result after the fact is always the same: someone is on their ass.

2) Rossi was unphased after the bump.  Most riders, even at that level would wobble.  he was steady.  He was ready for it, knowing it was coming.


Marquez is a bull in a china shop and expects to get his way when trading paint, to borrow a phrase.  It didn't work that time.

[1.21GW]

1) the look back.  I've played a lot of competitive sports. I know that look.  I've given it, and received it, many times.  the result after the fact is always the same: someone is on their ass.

What look?  Do you have access x-ray footage or something that can penetrate a black visor?    All I see is a brief head turn, which is probably normal given that they just made contact coming out of the corner.  We can all speculate (ain't it fun? ), but we'll never get insider their heads or even their visors.

[koko64]

two reasons I think the bump was on purpose, maybe not to put MM in the dirt, but at least to put him off line and send him backwards:
1) the look back.  I've played a lot of competitive sports.  I know that look.  I've given it, and received it, many times.  the result after the fact is always the same: someone is on their ass.

2) Rossi was unphased after the bump.  Most riders, even at that level would wobble.  he was steady.  He was ready for it, knowing it was coming.


Marquez is a bull in a china shop and expects to get his way when trading paint, to borrow a phrase.  It didn't work that time.

Thats how I saw it.

[kopfjäger]

[koko64]

 

[Triple J]

"The look"! Is it similar to Blue Steel? 

I don't know about the wobble either. I personally saw a similar style crash in one of our races, and the lead guy wasn't phased either...and it most definitely wasn't intentional.

Rossi just stayed on his line and gave MM the choice...back off or run into me. It was the classic "I gave him room to be second". 

[The Architect]

Disagree completely. Neither has a win it or bin it attitude IMO. Casey binned it a lot at the end due to the front end of the Duc being crap. MM has crashed in what, 3 races total?

http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/valentino-rossi-calls-marquez-an-all-or-nothing-rider-after-argentina-collision

It seems that I'm not the only one that feels that way about MM.  "All or nothing."

And simply, MM has been very lucky.  Of all the paint exchanging he's been involved in, he's only been down in 3 races.  How many riders have not finished a race because of some sort of involvement with MM?

Don't get me wrong he is a great rider, I'm a big fan and Motogp would be very boring without him.

[ducpainter]

I can't find where I heard, or read it, but even Marquez has admitted he needs to learn to accept second place sometimes.