Shell Malaysian GP---Spoilers

[kopfjäger]

[m9hundo]

I've come across a good point on Twitter and someone pointed out that why didn't MM attack JLo when he passed him.

Straight from the horses mouth
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/25/sepangclash-rossi-reacts/188439

[duccarlos]

MM and Jorghey are not teammates. Like J said, it was Rossi that called out MM, who has no skin in the championship. I also watched PI. Rossi wanted MM to keep Jorghey within striking distance. If I'm Rossi, and knowing both Iannone and MM, I would hope that MM would beat up on Jorghey to the point where he gives up. Then Iannone let's me by and I take second place and let Iannone and Jorghey fight it out for 3rd. I give MM and Iannone huge thanks for beating the crap out of Jorghey and move into Malaysia with a manageable lead.

In reality MM lights an old rivalry with Iannone and Rossi is caught in the middle. Rossi finishes 4th with Valencia looming and is pissed that MM doesn't show his deference to his boyhood hero. He goes into Malaysia thinking that he can manipulate MM into battling Jorghey. If he would have played it more passive aggressively, more like "I guess MM is besties with Jorghey now" and left it at that, I think he would have gotten the results he was hoping for. Instead he comes out full course press on MM with data that even the announcers and pretty much every non-Italian journalist have agreed that prove more MM's story of the battle in PI. Rossi pisses off MM who decides that instead of battling Jorghey, he'll find Rossi (douchebag on his part). The battle slows Rossi down to the point where he can't catch Jorghey and Rossi falls into the ultimate trap (he should have known better). He's now handed the championship to Jorghey pure and simple.

Rossi could have STFU on Thursday. MM's douchebag battle didn't force Rossi to push him off the track. Rossi gave away the championship because even if MM would not have crashed, HRC would have complained about the move and Race Direction would not have had any choice. Neither Rossi nor MM wanted to crash on purpose, but like I said before, Rossi put them in the position. Like it or not, it is ultimately his fault. You can pregnant dog about MM all you want, but he kept it within the rules, Rossi did not. Rossi should know better. Rossi should have been above the petty shit. He should have been his usually "I push and push until I win" and he would still be the guy everyone respects. Now at least for quite a lot of us, he will be the guy that overreacted when a kid pushed his buttons.

[duccarlos]

I've come across a good point on Twitter and someone pointed out that why didn't MM attack JLo when he passed him.

Straight from the horses mouth
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/25/sepangclash-rossi-reacts/188439

Again, he should have STFU on Thursday. He should have settled for 3rd or 4th and gone to either Race Direction or directly to MM and said WTF? He would have kept my respect and admiration. You don't make the beast with two backsing do that shit in the middle of the race. It just shows how much the little shit got under your skin. He should have known better. He put himself in that position.

[duccarlos]

And now make the beast with two backsing Jorghey is the defacto champion unless someone can take his make the beast with two backsing ass out. And this is why I'm pissed with Rossi.

[Mhanis]

And now make the beast with two backsing Jorghey is the defacto champion unless someone can take his make the beast with two backsing ass out. And this is why I'm pissed with Rossi.

 

[1.21GW]

MM and Jorghey are not teammates. Like J said, it was Rossi that called out MM, who has no skin in the championship. I also watched PI. Rossi wanted MM to keep Jorghey within striking distance. If I'm Rossi, and knowing both Iannone and MM, I would hope that MM would beat up on Jorghey to the point where he gives up. Then Iannone let's me by and I take second place and let Iannone and Jorghey fight it out for 3rd. I give MM and Iannone huge thanks for beating the crap out of Jorghey and move into Malaysia with a manageable lead.

In reality MM lights an old rivalry with Iannone and Rossi is caught in the middle. Rossi finishes 4th with Valencia looming and is pissed that MM doesn't show his deference to his boyhood hero. He goes into Malaysia thinking that he can manipulate MM into battling Jorghey. If he would have played it more passive aggressively, more like "I guess MM is besties with Jorghey now" and left it at that, I think he would have gotten the results he was hoping for. Instead he comes out full course press on MM with data that even the announcers and pretty much every non-Italian journalist have agreed that prove more MM's story of the battle in PI. Rossi pisses off MM who decides that instead of battling Jorghey, he'll find Rossi (douchebag on his part). The battle slows Rossi down to the point where he can't catch Jorghey and Rossi falls into the ultimate trap (he should have known better). He's now handed the championship to Jorghey pure and simple.

Rossi could have STFU on Thursday. MM's douchebag battle didn't force Rossi to push him off the track. Rossi gave away the championship because even if MM would not have crashed, HRC would have complained about the move and Race Direction would not have had any choice. Neither Rossi nor MM wanted to crash on purpose, but like I said before, Rossi put them in the position. Like it or not, it is ultimately his fault. You can pregnant dog about MM all you want, but he kept it within the rules, Rossi did not. Rossi should know better. Rossi should have been above the petty shit. He should have been his usually "I push and push until I win" and he would still be the guy everyone respects. Now at least for quite a lot of us, he will be the guy that overreacted when a kid pushed his buttons.

Ha.  I can hear that perfectly in my head.  The exaggerated "u" sound.  I love that supercut in Fastest when we says "poooosh" like 150 times.





I think there is more to the PI backstory than we know.  To me, it just seems that if Rossi suspected MM was sandbagging him, he would have kept it relatively quiet, said things behind closed doors, and gave 1-2 cryptic responses in the press conference.  But he didn't, he gave a bunch of non-cryptic, very bold, very blunt claims.  Rossi knows better, and from the fact that Lin Jarvis said he was aware of Rossi's thoughts on PI but that Jarvis didn't (or couldn't) convince Rossi to hold back suggests to me at least there was more to the story (I grant that I am reading deep between the lines here).  Maybe a personal thing, some comments said in private, MM snubbing Rossi in some way, something that made Rossi feel MM had it out for him on the track.  All that stuff to the Italian press about betrayal, not saying something to your face, about questioning whether MM even had posters and fanboy love for Rossi as a kid, all of that sounds to me like MM did something off frame that set this in motion.  I'm not saying Rossi didn't overreact, just that I think there is more to the story than we know.



Geez, can we get this thread to 100 pages?!  Viva la controversy!

[MadDuck]

And now make the beast with two backsing Jorghey is the defacto champion unless someone can take his make the beast with two backsing ass out. And this is why I'm pissed with Rossi.

^ This.

Wouldn't it be something if the field let Rossi through at Valencia so he could get back up there & duke it out with the front boys?  I mean just for the show if nothing else.  Assuming, that is, that he he even shows up in Spain.

[m9hundo]

I was thinking the same thing. Like clear the way for the last samurai

[Triple J]

Rossi will show up for Valencia. If he doesn't he looks like a cry baby. Besides, he still has a 7 point lead and a lot can happen in a race. He doesn't need to win the race, and actually has a good shot if JLo finishes 3rd or worse.

JLo 3rd, Rossi needs to be 6th
JLo 4th, Rossi needs to be 9th
JLo 5th, Rossi needs to be 11th

MM will still be racing as well. With VR at the back, MM won't bother with him, and will be off to win the race and show he's #1. Add in Pedro's recent pace, and Iannone wanting a podium, possibly Dovi too, and it isn't out of the question that JLo misses the podium due to conservatism and unwillingness to really battle with guys that have nothing to lose.

 

[m9hundo]

There's a lot of pride at stake. I can't wait, I'm gonna self induce a coma wake me in 2 weeks

[duccarlos]

Jorghey 3rd is probably the best we could hope for. Rossi 6th might be feasible. If this happens, I will not be as upset with Rossi. If a Duc can't win the championship, the next best option is "not Jorghey".

[ducpainter]

Not to excuse what MM seemed to be doing in Sepang, but VR called him out the week before. What did he expect would happen? It is highly debatable if MM was helping JLo, or at least trying to slow VR, in PI. After watching the race a couple times, and looking at the lap time data, I think MM was just racing. VR brought this upon himself.

Whay didn't VR call out Iannone for PI? He had just as much an impact on him as MM. Because Iannone isn't a title threat. He was just looking to wind MM up...and he did.

Because Rossi doesn't believe that Iannone could do any better. He knew Marquez could...and Marquez proved he could.

I'm not sure why he took the course of action he did. Sure didn't work as expected, and Lorenzo even suspected that might happen and commented in one of the interviews post press conference.

[Triple J]

Because Rossi doesn't believe that Iannone could do any better. He knew Marquez could...and Marquez proved he could.

MM proved he could for one lap. He tried to break away mid race, and couldn't, so sat back and put himself in position to win. Great race craft IMO. He only beat JLo because he had been slowing down for about 3 laps.

[Speeddog]

Ha.  I can hear that perfectly in my head.  The exaggerated "u" sound.  I love that supercut in Fastest when we says "poooosh" like 150 times.

I think there is more to the PI backstory than we know.  To me, it just seems that if Rossi suspected MM was sandbagging him, he would have kept it relatively quiet, said things behind closed doors, and gave 1-2 cryptic responses in the press conference.  But he didn't, he gave a bunch of non-cryptic, very bold, very blunt claims.  Rossi knows better, and from the fact that Lin Jarvis said he was aware of Rossi's thoughts on PI but that Jarvis didn't (or couldn't) convince Rossi to hold back suggests to me at least there was more to the story (I grant that I am reading deep between the lines here).  Maybe a personal thing, some comments said in private, MM snubbing Rossi in some way, something that made Rossi feel MM had it out for him on the track.  All that stuff to the Italian press about betrayal, not saying something to your face, about questioning whether MM even had posters and fanboy love for Rossi as a kid, all of that sounds to me like MM did something off frame that set this in motion.  I'm not saying Rossi didn't overreact, just that I think there is more to the story than we know.

Geez, can we get this thread to 100 pages?!  Viva la controversy!

I've been racking my brain about why in the world Rossi would indulge in this character assassination.

I think it was an elaborate plan to provide a "plausible" reason why he did not win the WC this year.
It avoids the embarrassment of being straight-up beaten by JLo.
And if he wins the WC, then he's a superhero for defeating his competition and overcoming a last-ditch conspiracy.

Honestly, questioning whether MM had his poster on the wall as a kid?
Why did he stop there?
Why didn't he just come out and say Marquez is the bastard child of the mailman?
That's grade-school shit.

I re-watched PI yesterday with my GF, she hadn't seen it.
After it ended, I told her Rossi was pissed at MM for holding him up.
She laughed, said that's crazy, he should have been pissed at Iannone.

And this threat of not going to Valencia, take his ball and go home?
More grade-school shit.