exhaust options

[kursed]

so if I get termis, should I go full system or slipons? I am concerned if I get pulled over and I have no cat convertor I will be in the sh*t in a big way... any thoughts? Can you get a hi-flow cat? I had these on my cars but not too sure about bikes?
cheers

[CairnsDuc]

Depends on your location, but I kept my Cat from my S2R so incase I get pulled over I can put it back on, get the inspection done, then wait a few weeks, and take it back off again.

[Spider]

I always thought it was the noise and not the pollution that the police were concerned with?

+1 on keeping the leftover parts...that's what the big red Ducati Performance box is for that the exhaust comes in - hides the 17 kg of stock exhaust well!

[CairnsDuc]

I noticed with getting rid of the Cat on mine made it a little noisier, but not much, I still have everything else stock.
But the udder is an ugly bastard of a thing! they have smaller design's, like what is fitted to the Tard and the sport's tourers, and yet to the Monsters they fit that ugly big thing! 

But I am slowly paying off a full Termi/ECU/Air filter kit, then we'll make some real noise! 

When it's done it'll almost be better than   

[kursed]

so the udder is both an expansion chamber and the cat I guess then?

So there isn't anyone running a hiflow cat with their full exhaust to match emissions regs (has anyone even heard of one?). Only reason I ask is that the fines for removal or coring of a catalytic convertor are quite extravagant in NSW. I know all the big mod car guys I used to roll with where always concerned about being caught without a cat since the RTA considered it a very serious offence.

Anyone know the actual fine / details?

[dragonworld.]

I always thought it was the noise and not the pollution that the police were concerned with?

+1 on keeping the leftover parts...that's what the big red Ducati Performance box is for that the exhaust comes in - hides the 17 kg of stock exhaust well!

If you happen to get pulled in ny the "Roadworthy" squad you'll likely get grief from them as they are more than likely going to have the EPA fellas with them. Then you are likely to get the "Fooling with the emissions system" monetary donation etc. Normally all the normal Plods will be interested in will be the racket. (Read: sweet noise for us )

[kursed]

well i just ordered all my open clutch bits to add some noise will have to see about coring stock cans next... until the termi moola is all saved anyway!

[Spider]

you could also get the CC ceramic coated black to 'hide' it - I'm trying to pressure DosVerde into the same thing...I am the 'peer group pressure' that your parents warned you about in adolescence!

Spider

[dragonworld.]

Unfortunately the "The noise keeps me safe by waking up the sleeping numbnuts allegedly in control of the vehicle Officer!!" doesnt usually cut the mustard.

Even if it IS true.

[bazz20]

I always thought it was the noise and not the pollution that the police were concerned with?

+1 on keeping the leftover parts...that's what the big red Ducati Performance box is for that the exhaust comes in - hides the 17 kg of stock exhaust well!

removel  of the cat here is a red card here

[wraith]

as the guys all said I think the RTA is more interested in pinging people for noise emissions rather than  carbon/exhaust emissions. I have my 803 with the cat off and and cored cans (you can hear the bike from blocks away) but its been getting a custom exhaust, powercommander and open airbox fitted this week, hoping for more of a rumble. I loved the termi sound but sparks look better so i went with something in between but as spider said mod it and keep the leftovers just incase.

[DosVerde]

you could also get the CC ceramic coated black to 'hide' it - I'm trying to pressure DosVerde into the same thing...I am the 'peer group pressure' that your parents warned you about in adolescence!

Spider

Yeah, I'm getting closer to a decision, if someone could lend me a bike for a couple of weeks I would probably get it done, can you "peer group" that for me?  - Did you say the coaters were in Coburg Spider?

In regard to the original post, I had a bit of a Google and found this article: http://www.smh.com.au/news/News/Scooting-stars/2005/06/02/1117568351566.html

Specifically the bit that says..."There is one area Australian rules don't cover - exhaust emissions - and the federal Department of Transport and Regional Services seems to be in no hurry to change that."

Looking between the lines of the Australian Design Rules's, there are only emissions laws for Heavy and Light vehicles. Motorcycles are not covered in the definition of either of these categories. Might I just add, this is all my own interpretation (usual disclaimer).

Having said that, This is a brief breakdown of the Heavy and Light vehicles ADR rules and how they relate to 2 wheeled vehicles, have a look at what is applicable to LC category vehicles (what we ride).

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/files/ADR_Applicability_Summary-L-Group_July_2008.pdfSo,

So in short, I don't think we have to have them, the manufacturers just stick them on to be nice to the environment, and I assume they have to have them in Europe. I don't think you will have any issues kursed  [moto] Maybe we can get Bazz to test it out in Tassie for us 

- and as I said earlier, this is just my interpretation of it  I am no expert in the field.

[Ita]

so the udder is both an expansion chamber and the cat I guess then?

So there isn't anyone running a hiflow cat with their full exhaust to match emissions regs (has anyone even heard of one?). Only reason I ask is that the fines for removal or coring of a catalytic convertor are quite extravagant in NSW. I know all the big mod car guys I used to roll with where always concerned about being caught without a cat since the RTA considered it a very serious offence.

Anyone know the actual fine / details?

As far as I know no one gives a stuff about catatlytic converters south of the Murray....   Your EPA guys up there must be feral....   Some of my mates got done over up there a few years back for removing the "UNLEADED FUEL ONLY" stickers!!!!!

Ita

[kursed]

thats all very interesting... I would never in a mil had thought that the RTA / EPA wouldn't be bothered by the removal of a cat on a motor vehicle. Lol.

[Spider]

thats all very interesting... I would never in a mil had thought that the RTA / EPA wouldn't be bothered by the removal of a cat on a motor vehicle. Lol.

they care about revenue destruction only, don't worry bout the planet!

As far as I know no one gives a stuff about catatlytic converters south of the Murray....   Your EPA guys up there must be feral....   Some of my mates got done over up there a few years back for removing the "UNLEADED FUEL ONLY" stickers!!!!!

Ita

Mate, don't go posting that - it took me a month to convince Madalf to remove the "WARNING: Exhaust gets hot" sticker from his rear cowl...he'll be ringing up wanting back if he hears this!