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Author Topic: Looking for a more serious track tire for a light weight bike, thoughts?  (Read 9139 times)
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2016, 04:42:19 PM »

I run tubes so that would likely change things as well.
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2016, 06:56:45 PM »

Was checking out Michelin's track tyres. The DOT tyres look promising but there were no sizes available on the site at present. I did see two versions of Supermoto tyres, so maybe one type might suit no warmers better.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2016, 01:42:16 AM »

The sumo tires I saw from Michelin seemed sized for 16" wheels and I'm on 17"

Link?
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2016, 01:47:11 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2016, 01:55:50 AM »

Oz and US Michelin sites have no 150 rears Tongue. Couldn't find anything under 160 on this side of the world either. I found 17" tyres but no 150's.
Only luck I had was with Pirelli's. I'd check the US Pirelli site.
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2016, 05:41:53 AM »

Pirelli Supercorsa SC. Race compounds with a bit of tread. 120/70/17 and 150/60/17.
All I can find. There was another type of Supercorsa too worth checking, but I don't know the details.
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2016, 07:08:25 AM »

   A bit curious about your 150 rear requirement.   Are you running an inner chain block/guide on the swingarm ? 

http://toxicmotoracing.com/shop/toxic-moto-specialty-parts/65-toxic-moto-chain-block.html

   On my YZ450 I run a 5" rim with 165/55/17 tire and have zero chain slap.   Most of us run some sort of inner guide without having to dish the wheel.  Others just let the chain carve a pretty pattern into the tire and rim as if it were a badge of honor. 
   If your rear rim is narrower, I understand that a 160+ tire would have a pinched profile which you may want to avoid. 
   Also, might want to check the tire options in the link above to get some ideas.
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2016, 03:05:42 AM »

   A bit curious about your 150 rear requirement.   Are you running an inner chain block/guide on the swingarm ? 

http://toxicmotoracing.com/shop/toxic-moto-specialty-parts/65-toxic-moto-chain-block.html

   On my YZ450 I run a 5" rim with 165/55/17 tire and have zero chain slap.   Most of us run some sort of inner guide without having to dish the wheel.  Others just let the chain carve a pretty pattern into the tire and rim as if it were a badge of honor. 
   If your rear rim is narrower, I understand that a 160+ tire would have a pinched profile which you may want to avoid. 
   Also, might want to check the tire options in the link above to get some ideas.

It's a totally stock 450exc swingarm with a warp 9 wheel. No dish. No guide.

Well, the stock chain guard is on there. There's also this shark fin sort of block on the underside. I've been thinking of removing it because it seems to cause a ton of drag.

The chain doesn't carve a pattern in the tire. It just pulls off chunks in a random pattern. I run chains loose.

Does that guide you posted bend the chain around the tire?  The pics aren't great so it's not clear
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2016, 05:08:31 AM »

First thing, I would advise against eliminating the lower chain guide.  Not only does it insure sprocket engagement with a properly tensioned chain (which is seemingly quite loose), but it also serves as a sharkfin in keeping hands and feet away from a pinch point.  OEM chain guides are usually one of the first things to swap out on an MX bike, especially ones made of aluminum that will end your day or strand you when hit.  TM Designworks is the universal gold standard for replacement and wear like iron and are slick as snot.

As far as the upper chain guide, that is more supermoto specific.   Not sure what year your EXC is but some people have added the SMR upper guide ($8) from the KTM catalog.  Google Image search will give you some ideas and examples.

https://www.google.com/search?q=supermoto+chain+guide&espv=2&biw=1107&bih=590&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjFtMbK28_NAhVBXWMKHV2WAlkQ_AUIBygC

My set-up never required me to "push" the chain away from the tire and stray from the actual chain line.  The upper chain is under tension during acceleration and may strain a guide that was out of line.  Much of the chain rub occurs under decel when the lower chain is tight and the slack has moved to the top...  Older, worn chains have more lateral play and O-ring chains tend to be wider, both exaggerating the issue.

Another factor is that each tire has a different "actual" size, apart from the "label" size.  This clip was taken from thumpertalk:

I have a 5inch supermoto rear rim and have slight chain clearance problems with a conti road attack 160/60 tyre on my DR-Zed. As every tyre manufacturer seems to interpret 160mm diferrently... I found this list in a ktm forum, and added my tyres actual width to it. this will be a usefull resource for anyone with similar issues. feel free to add to the list..

5" rim
michelin pilot power 160/60 is 169 mm wide
bridgestone battlax rain 165/62 is 160 mm wide
pirelli supercorsa 160/60 is 166 mm wide
Avon pro extreme 160/60 is 169mm wide
Avon Distanzia 160/60 is 167mm wide
Koncorde 160/60 is 163mm wide
Dunlop KR108 165/55 slick is 157mm wide
rennsports 160/60 is 161mm
maxiss road legal slick 160/60 is 158mm
Conti SM 160/60 is 158mm
Conti road attack 160/60 is 164mm wide
Pirelli Diablo 160/60 is 162mm

The list was compiled in 2011 and includes the 165 Dunlop KR108 that I ran, showing that it is actually 157mm where as another manufacturers 160 measures at 169mm.   Looks like you've got some homework to do...

One thing to consider if you ever dish a wheel away from the chain is the exhaust can.  Even with zero dish, many of us need to space the exhaust away from the tire but it usually rubs a bit anyways on big compressions.

If you haven't already checked, supermotojunkie.com and thumpertalk.com should have more specific details regarding your bike, just be willing to sift through the nonsense.  And I hope that my posts have been helpful, I would hate to be contributing to the nonsense.
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2016, 10:11:57 AM »

Pirelli SuperCorsa 150/60-17 on a 4.25 rim measures 145mm wide.

http://supermotojunkie.com/showthread.php?145216-Actual-Tire-Width!-DOT-and-Race-Slick
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2016, 04:12:34 AM »

Super great info!

I have some thinking to do...
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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2016, 09:18:59 AM »

Have you considered the Dunlop Alpha?
http://stores.racetireservice.com/ninja-250r/
Those are 150 size

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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2016, 10:24:46 AM »

Have you considered the Dunlop Alpha?
http://stores.racetireservice.com/ninja-250r/
Those are 150 size



I believe that is the spec tire for MotoAmerica's KTM390 Cup.   Form the people that I know, I hear it is not an especially grippy tire and is not designed for a 5" rim.   Just hearsay though.
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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2016, 10:40:53 AM »

I'd run a Michelin Power 2ct if they make your size.

I have zero ties with Toxic Moto but they are based out of Utah and have 60 and 70 profile fronts in stock, and both 150 and 160 width rears as well.

FRONT http://toxicmotoracing.com/shop/street-tires/246-michelin-pilot-power-2ct-front.html

REAR http://toxicmotoracing.com/shop/street-tires/245-michelin-pilot-power-2ct-rear.html

For Michelin Supermoto tires (race slicks) many of us used this guy/distributer on ebay.  Motorace Powersports out of Massachusetts ,   ebay vendor name is:  moto_race     
Always a great experience with them. 

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michelin-Super-Moto-Motard-Slick-12-60-17-120-70-17-29B-SOFT-Front-Tire-NEW-/182036759363?hash=item2a623c8343:g:1sMAAOSw3ydVlXpJ&vxp=mtr

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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2016, 12:57:32 PM »

moto-race is awesome. waytogo

Check their ebay store for deals on closeouts. I'm running older generation slicks on my 853.
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