Which octane

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DarkMonster620

Quote from: howie on October 13, 2009, 07:51:17 PM
The USA uses it's own system for measuring octane.  I assume you use RON (research octane number), the same as the Ducati manual.  We use an AKI number, which is (RON + MON)/2.
MON is Manufacturer's Octane Number, and is notably lower than RON.

Higher octane will not "clean the valves".  Additives in fuel do that.  The purpose of octane is to prevent engine knock (detonation).
                                                                                                   

Howie,

We use the same method as in the US, and about 'cleaning the valves', that was just a saying... I know that in order to do that, I need to add additives...but the one and only time I used avgas, my Monster 620 was hauling behind...
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Quote from: M620D on October 14, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Howie,

We use the same method as in the US, and about 'cleaning the valves', that was just a saying... I know that in order to do that, I need to add additives...but the one and only time I used avgas, my Monster 620 was hauling behind...

Yeah, in many of the Caribbean and Central/South American countries they use (M+R)/2 but the lowest octane available is 91 or 92.  In Anguilla, they only have 95 RM2 octane for all gas.  Cheaper to ship only one kind.

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Howie

Quote from: M620D on October 14, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Howie,

We use the same method as in the US, and about 'cleaning the valves', that was just a saying... I know that in order to do that, I need to add additives...but the one and only time I used avgas, my Monster 620 was hauling behind...

In that case, avoid 95.  It will cause carbon build up.

Does your gas have ethanol in it?

Ddan

Generally, low octane fuel from a manufacturer has the same detergents as higher octane fuel from that same manufacturer.  You can buy a bottle of Techron at many parts stores and from what I've read, that's worth doing to clean things out.  Like Howie said, running a higher octane than you need is wasting money and can cause deposits.  AV gas is higher octane, but it's also meant to run at a constant relatively low RPM and high altitude/ thinner and colder air.  It's not recommended for use in your bike.
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Quote from: M620D on October 14, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Howie,

We use the same method as in the US, and about 'cleaning the valves', that was just a saying... I know that in order to do that, I need to add additives...but the one and only time I used avgas, my Monster 620 was hauling behind...

wait,, what kind of avgas?   you put leaded gas in your tank, i wonder if that was part of it...
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wait, what kind of oil are you guys mixing with your gas?

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#54
Quote from: ducpainter on October 19, 2009, 05:30:31 PM
Is that Stihl approved?

...  ;) getting back on topic (i,snt as fun ... but)

Similar to an old post the i reserected a couple of times; is it time to update?

I'm still experimenting; I use 89 regularly; 91 and occasionally 87 ... 89 seems to be the happy medium ...

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1913.0

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DarkMonster620

Quote from: howie on October 14, 2009, 06:56:05 PM
In that case, avoid 95.  It will cause carbon build up.

Does your gas have ethanol in it?

No our gas still has no ethanol, but why stop using 95? My bike runs much much better and I get better gas milage, 85km/g vs 45km/g[55mpg vs 25mpg].

Dan, ducatiz, I only used about 1/2 gallon of avgas and 2 of 95 oct, plus, it was a gift[the avgas].

My manual says '95 oct minimun'. Or should I mix 1/2 & 1/2 to obtain 93 oct?
Carlos
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Quote from: ducatiz on March 27, 2014, 08:34:34 AMDucati is the pretty girl that can't walk in heels without stumbling. I still love her.
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Ddan

I think the 95 octane in the manual is the RON number.  Depending on where you are, that could be 89 at the pump.  I run 87 fine in my M900.
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Quote from: M620D on October 20, 2009, 04:45:33 PM
No our gas still has no ethanol, but why stop using 95? My bike runs much much better and I get better gas milage, 85km/g vs 45km/g[55mpg vs 25mpg].

Dan, ducatiz, I only used about 1/2 gallon of avgas and 2 of 95 oct, plus, it was a gift[the avgas].

My manual says '95 oct minimun'. Or should I mix 1/2 & 1/2 to obtain 93 oct?

just a dirty exhaust AFAIK
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hcomp

#59
I actually did back to back dyno testing with 91 and 89 in my 696.....

When we were developing the exhaust we were using 2 696's to get a baseline. My friends bike on 89 made 2 more HP than mine on 91.  I was pissed! So we drained the tank put in 89. Next day dyno again with 89 in my bike. Air temp and density was really really close to the previous day....poof! 2 more HP....Not only that but I have been consistently pulling 30 more miles out of the tank before the light comes on...So now I guess I'll try 87 on the dyno....
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