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« Reply #120 on: January 18, 2020, 08:46:40 AM »
This is a source here in the US, likely very impractical for you, but it's got some info.

https://whittet-higgins.com/part.php?series_id=76
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« Reply #121 on: January 18, 2020, 10:47:39 AM »
OEM gear puller and spanner socket.

Notice the very robust construction.
I leave the nut on the end of the crank, backed off a couple turns, to keep the puller and gear on the motor when the gear comes off the taper with a bang.
I paid a lot for that puller and don't want to get a ding in it when it leaps off and breaks my foot.
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« Reply #122 on: January 19, 2020, 08:45:17 AM »
Thanks, Speeddog.

My buddy has one of those pullers, equally sturdy :-)

I´ll have to organize the socket, or maybe I´ll bring the whole motor to the nearest Ducati dealer. I don´t expect I´ll be needng the socket more than once .... 
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« Reply #123 on: January 19, 2020, 09:22:21 AM »
I've used that socket once, for sure, maybe twice.  Undecided

Puller looks overbuilt until seen in action.
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« Reply #124 on: February 13, 2020, 03:08:18 AM »
Hello, all.

Today is uncacteristically a nice day here, so biking almost looks like an attractive activity ..... but quite a lot of work remains until the m80o will go anywhere. I got the cylinder heads and valves back from valve seat work the other fay, so they will going back together soon.

I still do not have a clutch, though. My buddy went to a dealer to get some motors he´d bought for parts, and I asked him to check for a 750 clutch. Due to me beeing rather unspecific, and my buddy beeing a bit over-enthusiastic, he came back with a scrap 750 motor as well. Unfortunately the old one with the releas mechnism in the cluct cover ....

I´ve tken it apart anyway in order to see if anything could be used, and it might possibly --- I gave up any activities when I found the drive ratio of the 750 is 31/62, a opposed to the m800´s 33/61. I do not want a clutch making the engne spin faster at a given speed.

I do not know the specifics of various clutches, and LArs has menioned several that will fit on the m800 motor. However, if I specify what I´m looking for as follows:

 ¤ No fancy spring damper arrangements;
 ¤ No slip / lock-up function (which I think the newer wet clutches have);
 ¤ 33/61 ratio

What would you recommend me to look for, provided there is something that fits these requirements?
If there isn´t, what´s the next best alternative?

I don´t know this kind of things, and looking into Duc spare parts lists is not much help. So I´m putting my faith in this forums knowledgeable members :-)   
   
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« Reply #125 on: February 13, 2020, 08:03:33 AM »
You're looking for year and model of motors that have the clutch you want?
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« Reply #126 on: February 13, 2020, 11:28:00 AM »
Quote from: Speeddog on February 13, 2020, 08:03:33 AM
You're looking for year and model of motors that have the clutch you want?

Exactly!
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« Reply #127 on: February 13, 2020, 12:24:59 PM »
There seems to be 3 versions of the 'regular' clutch basket.

Appears that they all use the same plate set and hub.

You'll have to plow through this and cross reference to confirm.

This information source is ~99% reliable.

Each year and model owners manual will confirm the 33/61 gearing, so best to check that as well.

Sorry for the formatting and frequency of the word 'clutch'.




17020312A Appears to be a steel basket with a ring

1998   600   
Clutch
1998   600 Dark   
Clutch
1998   750   
Clutch
1999   600   
Clutch
1999   600 City   
Clutch
1999   600 Dark   
Clutch
1999   600 Dark City   
Clutch
1999   750   
Clutch
1999   750 City   
Clutch
1999   750 Dark   
Clutch
1999   750 Dark City   
Clutch
1999   750 SS   
Clutch
1999   750 SS USA   
Clutch
1999   750 USA   
Clutch
2000   600   
Clutch
2000   750   
Clutch
2000   750 SS   
Clutch
2001   600   
Clutch
2001   750   
Clutch
2001   750 S   
Clutch
2001   750 SS   
Clutch
2002   620   
Clutch
2002   750   
Clutch
2002   750 S   
Clutch
2002   750 SS   
Clutch
2003   620   
Clutch

17020711A - Appears to be an aluminum basket with a ring

2003   800   
Clutch
2003   800 S   
Clutch
2003   800 SS   
Clutch
2004   800   
Clutch
2004   800 SS   
Clutch
2005   800 SS   
Clutch
2005   800 SS USA   
Clutch
2006   800 SS USA   
Clutch
2007   800 SS USA   
Clutch


17020311B - Appears to be a steel basket with no ring[/b]
2003   620   
Clutch
2003   620 S   
Clutch
2004   620   
Clutch 5 Speed Single Disk

19020092B - The corresponding clutch plate set

1998   600   
Clutch
1998   600 Dark   
Clutch
1998   750   
Clutch
1999   600   
Clutch
1999   600 City   
Clutch
1999   600 Dark   
Clutch
1999   600 Dark City   
Clutch
1999   750   
Clutch
1999   750 City   
Clutch
1999   750 Dark   
Clutch
1999   750 Dark City   
Clutch
1999   750 SS   
Clutch
1999   750 SS USA   
Clutch
1999   750 USA   
Clutch
2000   400   
Clutch My00
2000   400   
Clutch My01
2000   600   
Clutch
2000   750   
Clutch
2000   750 SS   
Clutch
2001   400   
Clutch My00
2001   400   
Clutch My01
2001   600   
Clutch
2001   750   
Clutch
2001   750 S   
Clutch
2001   750 SS   
Clutch
2002   400   
Clutch
2002   620   
Clutch
2002   750   
Clutch
2002   750 S   
Clutch
2002   750 SS   
Clutch
2003   400   
Clutch
2003   620   
Clutch
2003   620 S   
Clutch
2003   800   
Clutch
2003   800 S   
Clutch
2003   800 SS   
Clutch
2004   400   
Clutch
2004   620   
Clutch 5 Speed Single Disk
2004   800   
Clutch
2004   800 SS   
Clutch
2005   400   
Clutch
2005   400 Dark   
Clutch
2005   400 Dark JAP   
Clutch
2005   800 SS   
Clutch
2005   800 SS USA   
Clutch
2006   400   
Clutch
2006   800 SS USA   
Clutch
2007   400   
Clutch
2007   800 SS USA   
Clutch
2008   400   
Clutch


19610163A - The corresponding hub

Year   Model   Fiche Section
1998   600   
Clutch
1998   600 Dark   
Clutch
1998   750   
Clutch
1999   600   
Clutch
1999   600 City   
Clutch
1999   600 Dark   
Clutch
1999   600 Dark City   
Clutch
1999   750   
Clutch
1999   750 City   
Clutch
1999   750 Dark   
Clutch
1999   750 Dark City   
Clutch
1999   750 SS   
Clutch
1999   750 SS USA   
Clutch
1999   750 USA   
Clutch
2000   400   
Clutch My00
2000   400   
Clutch My01
2000   600   
Clutch
2000   750   
Clutch
2000   750 SS   
Clutch
2001   400   
Clutch My00
2001   400   
Clutch My01
2001   600   
Clutch
2001   750   
Clutch
2001   750 S   
Clutch
2001   750 SS   
Clutch
Year   Model   Fiche Section
2002   400   
Clutch
2002   620   
Clutch
2002   750   
Clutch
2002   750 S   
Clutch
2002   750 SS   
Clutch
2003   400   
Clutch
2003   620   
Clutch
2003   620 S   
Clutch
2003   800   
Clutch
2003   800 S   
Clutch
2003   800 SS   
Clutch
2004   400   
Clutch
2004   620   
Clutch 5 Speed Single Disk
2004   800   
Clutch
2004   800 SS   
Clutch
2005   400   
Clutch
2005   400 Dark   
Clutch
2005   400 Dark JAP   
Clutch
2005   800 SS   
Clutch
2005   800 SS USA   
Clutch
2006   400   
Clutch
2006   800 SS USA   
Clutch
2007   400   
Clutch
2007   800 SS USA   
Clutch
2008   400   
Clutch
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« Reply #128 on: February 13, 2020, 01:02:39 PM »
Speedog,
fantastic, thank you waytogo

I´ll go through this, should really help.

How important do you think a matched set of clutch/ primary gears is? I´ve been looking in ebay, a lot of clutch baskets but often without the crank gear.

Kind regards,
Torbjörn. 
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« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2020, 01:44:51 PM »
^^^

You’re going to really want to get a matched set.  A mis-matched set will work, but could start howling later on.  Generally, it’s always best practice to get a matched set.
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« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2020, 06:32:51 AM »
I´ll see what I can find on ebay, hopefully I can find a complete set-up (and hope the potential seller ic an honest person ...).

Many years ago when I lived in Germany, I saw an ad for Yam XS650 parts. I went to see the guy, and he had lots of XS650 parts ..... all sorted in bins and shelves, all crankcase uppers in one shelf, the lowers in another, all  input shaft 1st gears in one bin, all the output shaft gears in another, and so on ..... it was like a goldmine, only it was not real gold.

Anyway, in order to run the motor without the cyl base gaskets, I had to machine the squish bands on the pistons:

20200121_213126 by torbjörn bergström, on Flickr

The squish area in the heads is at about 8° relstive the gasket surface, so I machined the pistons at 6.5° to 7° in order to not get a squish area that opens towards the cylinder wall. I just measured the vertical cylinder, and the clearance is 0.9mm at the piston edge, and 1.1 mm 9 mm in on the piston. I think I can get away with that.
II just hope the othe piston will be in the same area, both started at 1.2 mm with the 0.4 mm base gasket.

I´ll check compression once I have the heads assembled.  
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« Reply #131 on: February 14, 2020, 08:23:42 AM »
Good job waytogo
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« Reply #132 on: February 14, 2020, 11:50:27 AM »
 waytogo popcorn
Really like this project. Cheesy
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« Reply #133 on: February 14, 2020, 01:28:00 PM »
Quote from: koko64 on February 14, 2020, 11:50:27 AM
waytogo popcorn
Really like this project. Cheesy

Thanks, glad you see it that way; I don´t see the end of it anytime soon :-) 
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« Reply #134 on: February 21, 2020, 09:14:10 AM »
Hello, all.

I just bought a clutch unseen on the proision I could give it back if it was not what I was looking for (no-frills, no springs etc). I just took it from the box it came in:

20200221_180250 by torbjörn bergström, on Flickr

Presumably, with all tht stuff in the centre, it is the slip/grip clutch (don´t remember Ducatis acronym for it)?

If so, I´ll give it back, I want this to be as simple as possible.

Kind regards, and a nice weekend to all :-) 
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