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Author Topic: Alternator, regulator, battery? 2009 696  (Read 493 times)
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2022, 05:00:32 AM »

AGMs were the new hotness 20+ years ago. When they first came out they recommended different regulators to charge them properly. They required a different curve than standard flooded batteries.

But today, even the military is switching over to Lithiums in heavy-duty applications, so that had me wondering about going to Lithium as well. Plus I heard the OE R/R's on the 696 were prone to failure anyhow?

That's quite true.  I killed the AGM batteries in my XR650 every year until the guy at the parts counter asked me about my charger.  He sold me a charger that had a mode specifically for AGM batteries.... and I haven't had a problem since.  FWIW, I was using an older Battery Tender model, designed for lead acid.

The military doesn't care about overall cost... the best solution to any problem is to throw money at it.
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2022, 05:54:27 AM »

That's quite true.  I killed the AGM batteries in my XR650 every year until the guy at the parts counter asked me about my charger.  He sold me a charger that had a mode specifically for AGM batteries.... and I haven't had a problem since.  FWIW, I was using an older Battery Tender model, designed for lead acid.

The military doesn't care about overall cost... the best solution to any problem is to throw money at it.

Do you recall which Tender you had? The ones I had been using since 2006 all had 1 lead-acid mode that would work for AGM and Gel (AGM and Gel technically are still lead-acid).

The Battery Tender in LiFePO4 mode seems to float at 13.67 VDC (13.1-13.2 for the lead-acid mode). But after leaving my Shorai uncharged/unconnected overnight, it stays at 13.08 VDC versus the 12.6-12.8 with a lead-acid.

The military was against the switch to AGM for the longest time because of the higher price of AGM batteries, so overall cost is a huge consideration. AGM was touted as a wunderbattery over 20 years ago. It does last longer than flooded in hot environments, but I haven't switched to AGM on my cars/SUV because of the added cost and minimal lifespan benefit over flooded.

I'm mainly looking for more cranking power from the Lithium. The Yuasa AGM, even when new, seemed fairly weak when cold starting the 696.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2022, 02:00:04 PM »

It seems, to me anyway, that you've decided you need a lithium battery. That's fine, it's your money.

Buy your lithium battery and do the install without upgrading battery cables. Do some tests wrt voltage drop when cranking, recovery voltage...etc. Then upgrade the cables and repeat any tests you do. Let us know what you find.

If you can borrow a good AGM battery, install it before, and after the cable upgrade. Do some tests. Let us know what you find.
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2022, 02:47:48 PM »

... and make sure (if you haven't already) to install a charging pigtail on the battery. Lot of work to access it on those bikes.
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2022, 02:58:04 PM »

... and make sure (if you haven't already) to install a charging pigtail on the battery. Lot of work to access it on those bikes.

That's the only way I was able to nurse 11 years out of that Yuasa w/ a Battery Tender.
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2022, 04:51:41 AM »

Do you recall which Tender you had?

It was from the '90's... after I bought my CBR1000F.  I've since junked it.
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2022, 05:36:52 AM »

It seems, to me anyway, that you've decided you need a lithium battery. That's fine, it's your money.

Buy your lithium battery and do the install without upgrading battery cables. Do some tests wrt voltage drop when cranking, recovery voltage...etc. Then upgrade the cables and repeat any tests you do. Let us know what you find.

If you can borrow a good AGM battery, install it before, and after the cable upgrade. Do some tests. Let us know what you find.

Speaking of cables, that's something I did want to upgrade. Is the Motoelectric HICAP still a good bolt-on solution?
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2022, 12:54:09 PM »

NO FHE.

His site indicates top quality components. I didn't see a lot else out there doing a quick search.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2022, 01:13:35 PM »

I wanted to get a load tester for the longest time, so decided to pick up a Battery Tender unit (looks the same as the Schumacher, and I heard the Cen-Tech at Harbor Freight is a similar design). The Yuasa from 2011 (or possibly earlier since the dealer wasn't too clear if they gave me a new battery or if it was the original from 2008/2009 on the new 696 that just sat in their show room) tested Weak (10V) under load, below the 200 CCA line.

Out of curiosity, I put the Shorai LFX18A under the same load test, and it was at the 11V mark and well within green for the 270 CCA.

I used the Yuasa at the trap shooting range for my trap launcher, and it seemed to work fine for the launcher mechanism. It's not a huge amount of load and the battery is only 8.4 lb, making it a HECK of a lot easier to carry around. I used to carry around an old Group 65 battery for that launcher and it weighed 50 lb. Then I ditched it for an old battery out of my 2017 Fusion which is a Group 90/T5 still weighing over 30 lb (but one of the smallest car batteries).
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