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fasterblkduc
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Re: Ethanol destroying small engines
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Reply #30 on:
November 25, 2010, 01:41:28 PM »
Quote from: ducatiz on November 25, 2010, 07:46:04 AM
If filtration and water separation are the only issues with biodiesel, then that's fixable.
Wow, you sir are a very valuable person. There is an entire industry that needs you because there are a ton of Chemists, engineers, scientists, technicians, etc. that have been working tirelessly for years to solve the multiple issues that biofuels present with little to no success. You have it figured out so what is your secret?
You can jump on the Euphorian bandwagon if you choose...just be aware that your ride does not have a great ending. If you wish to ignore the overwhelming evidence that biofuels are causing more problems then they could possibly fix, are less efficient, and more expensive to produce...that is your choice. Good luck with your fantasy. Even the great scam king Al Gore just stated (this week I believe), that Ethanol was a mistake. He admitted that it is extrmely inefficient, causes too many problems, is too expensive, etc. If that scumbag is admitting it then that ship is sinking fast.
I deal with this garbage on a technical level that most people never get to see. If you have the magic solution that can help me in my professional career, please share because as I said, there are a hell of a lot of brilliant people that work hard to solve these issues.
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November 25, 2010, 01:50:55 PM »
Al Gore's mea culpa was for supporting "1st generation" corn ethanol because it negatively impacted the food supply.
However, I don't care about that. I only said that diesel originated as a "bio" fuel and there's no reason engines and fuel tanks can't be modified to use it 100% problem free.
And as far as ethanol as a fuel, it has been used in Brasil for about 30 years and they don't have any problems. The cars are designed for it.
The problem is when fuel formula mandates come down and don't provide for older vehicles.
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November 25, 2010, 02:36:25 PM »
I agree 300% about ethanol in fuel being bad. I also agree with ducatiz about biodiesel. Some people are confusing biodiesel with running filtered used cooking oil. Biodiesel is a refined automotive fuel. Not only has it been used in Europe with no ill effects, some fleets have been using it here with less problems than conventional diesel. I know of one truck fleet that has been using it for probably over 10 years with fewer fuel related problems than conventional diesel. I have heard of seal compatibility and pump wear due problems on older diesels, that's about it.
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November 25, 2010, 05:16:39 PM »
Personal ad hominem attacks really bolster credibility, and they're fun to read.
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November 25, 2010, 06:08:58 PM »
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Quote from: redxblack on November 25, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
Personal ad hominem attacks really bolster credibility, and they're fun to read.
lol, i'm an attorney, i can take it..
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Quote from: fasterblkduc on November 25, 2010, 01:50:23 PM
I'm not sure what reality you are living in. Are you smoking crack? The demand for what I do is growing huge because of the massive issues that modern diesel engines have with bio blends. So, please...enlighten me! What are the "little modification" tricks that "run bio blends just fine"? Remember...I am an expert in this field...enlighten me please. Remeber, I deal with the European market as well...please sir, tell me more stories.
Remember...?
This is the internet. Other then you stating " I'm in research and development in a big filter company." we don't have any idea what field you are an expert in!
Perhaps referencing some specific data as to what these "massive issues" are would help us to enlighten you.
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November 25, 2010, 06:31:26 PM »
Quote from: mdriver on November 25, 2010, 06:17:00 PM
Remember...?
This is the internet. Other then you stating " I'm in research and development in a big filter company." we don't have any idea what field you are an expert in!
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Re: Ethanol destroying small engines
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November 25, 2010, 06:40:19 PM »
I don't post much, and don't normally enter into internet debates. Arguing over the internet is pointless and I really don't have anything to prove, nor do i really care what anyone thinks. The last thing that I will do is waste energy trying to prove to a bunch of random people what I know, or what I do for a living. I've wasted enough energy on this already. Before this deteriorates into something completely rediculous, I will apologize for my statements if anyone was offended, and will now leave this alone. Believe what you like, I'm done.
Happy Turkey Day.
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Re: Ethanol destroying small engines
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November 25, 2010, 07:03:01 PM »
Quote from: ducatiz on November 25, 2010, 06:31:26 PM
Whats confusing? My statement or that I responded to a post that wasn't specifically directed at me.
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Re: Ethanol destroying small engines
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November 25, 2010, 07:11:17 PM »
Quote from: mdriver on November 25, 2010, 07:03:01 PM
Whats confusing? My statement or that I responded to a post that wasn't specifically directed at me.
he said he worked on filters...
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Re: Ethanol destroying small engines
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November 25, 2010, 10:23:43 PM »
Quote from: ducatiz on November 25, 2010, 07:11:17 PM
he said he worked on filters...
Right. But that hardly provides enough info to know that he's an expert. I work on filters all the time.... I am not an expert.
I used to work on cars. You shouldn't own a VW. I've seen lots of problems with them. They're terrible.
Do you feel compelled to sell your VW IZ? Should I be offended if you don't?
Getting back on topic.
Any one know what can be done to mitigate the damage being done in 2 stroke engines that are essentially forced to run E10? Here in NJ it's seemingly impossible to get ethanol free gas.
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Re: Ethanol destroying small engines
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November 26, 2010, 04:43:10 AM »
Quote from: mdriver on November 25, 2010, 10:23:43 PM
Any one know what can be done to mitigate the damage being done in 2 stroke engines that are essentially forced to run E10? Here in NJ it's seemingly impossible to get ethanol free gas.
There's a marine formula Stabil product that combats moisure absorbtion, I believe.
I haven't had any end-user issues with E10 beyond lower gas mileage, but hopefully adding that Stabil
wil prevent my tank from swelling (05 620). Well, no issues beyond the extra cost of an additive to most of the fuel I run through the Duc, paranoid or not.
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Quote from: mdriver on November 25, 2010, 10:23:43 PM
Any one know what can be done to mitigate the damage being done in 2 stroke engines that are essentially forced to run E10? Here in NJ it's seemingly impossible to get ethanol free gas.
Your only option is to use a product like Stabil or Star tron and empty the gas tank when you can.
I use Stabil Marine as it allegedly has more properties to reduce phase separation. Seems to work well and mixes well with 2-stroke gas.
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