Ducati Monster Forum

powered by:

January 04, 2025, 12:06:41 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Welcome to the DMF
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  



Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Review: Hypermotard DP cams and ECU installed in my S2R1K  (Read 3199 times)
Monstermash
AKA-TomColore
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1689


Interferiscalo se potete


« on: August 09, 2008, 04:08:13 PM »

As some of you may have seen, I recently purchased the HM DP cam kit with the ECU for my S2R1K. I have had a few issues with the fueling ever since I bought the bike last year and have been looking for a less expensive alternative than the DP ECU for the bike. I'm sure most of you know that the DP ECU for the Monster sells at the dealer for around $1200 which is a little much for most of us to swallow just to get our bikes to run right.

 After much research I deceided to try the kit made for the Hypermotard because it seemed like it would work as the engines are pretty much the same except for a slightly larger displacement. I did post up in tech to see if anyone else had tried it and as it turns out there are several DMFers who have used the ECU but not the cams.

 One particular post had me worried because GusDuc has done it and experienced a few problems. I sent him a pm asking him to give me a call and had quite the discussion reagrding the issues (thanks Gus) and it really isn't as bad as it seemed in the post.

 Anyway, I had an appointment to have my 7500 mile service done with Eric (formally of BCM fame) and asked if he would do the cams/ecu at the same time. FYI, Eric has his own shop now called Clubhouse motorsports.

 Before I do the review I have to say that if you live in the New England area, Eric is THE guy to see for anything that needs to be done to your Duc. Not only is he an awsome tech, he is one of the nicest people I know. He spent a good portion of the day doing the work and by the time he finished it had started raining and there was a pretty severe thunderstorm moving in. So to make a long story short, he offered to let me stay the night because I live over two hours from him.

 Now for the review.

 Cams/ECU
 I'm pretty handy and I like to think I know my way around my Monster but let me tell you, there is a lot more involved than just opening up the covers, removing the stock cams and popping in the new DP ones. You also need to set the CO, the TPS and degree the cams if you want optimum performance. He also synchronized the throttle bodies and set the idle. At one point not long after Eric started working on the bike, Bruce Myers stopped by and I listened in as they chatted back and forth about the cams, timing, and just building performance Ducati engines. He stayed for about 20 minutes or so which is a good thing because if he was there much longer my head would have exploded from trying to understand all the technical stuff they were discussing.  laughingdp

 It was a little nerve racking in the fact that once the bike was done it was raining so hard there was no way we could have done a test ride. We had to wait until morning when the sun was finally out. As always, Eric took the bike out first to do a shake down run and make sure everything was cool before I had a chance to ride it. I was like a nervous farther waiting for him to come back with my bike.  Roll Eyes

 My first impression was that it was a little less than expected. The bike ran smoother than it ever has since I've owned it but I really expected it to have more power. I mentioned this to Eric and he hooked the bike back up and did a little fine tuning. He richened up the fuel mixture and now the bike runs incredibly smooth and pulls much harder that it did before. It feels like I gained 8 to 10 HP in the midrange and the top end feels much stronger as well.

 I only had one little irregularity that I'm sure is caused by the fact that the ECU isn't exactly designed for the Monster. One time when we turned the key on, the speedo and the tach swept like they always do but then the speedo went crazy and pinned the needle to the max. Simply turning off the key and then turning it back on reset it and it's worked fine since.

 So all in all I can say it is a worthwhile mod. If you have the surging issues or you just want a little more power this is the way to go.

 I'm also planning on having it dynoed to see what the A/F looks like and to see how much power I gained. Depending on what the A/F looks like I may be installing a PCIII to get it perfect.

 
« Last Edit: August 09, 2008, 05:27:08 PM by Monstermash » Logged

I've been wallowing in my own chaotic and insecure delusions.



"Though I disagree with everything you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it."
He Man
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 11598



WWW
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2008, 05:32:48 AM »

have you dynoed it yet? Great review man, id ask more question, but im still drunk from last night and its 9am on a sunday. coffee
Logged

2006 Ducati S2R1100 Yea.... stunttin like my daddy CHROMED OUT 1100!!!!


Check out my Latest Video! 05/13/2017 :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4xSA7KzEzU
Gus Duc
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 629



« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2008, 06:16:31 PM »

Glad you're up & running waytogo

Funny how with my bile it's the tach & with yours it's the speedo.... seems that both are easily solved though by turning it off & re-firing.  Try riding off with it next time it does that & then see if the dash will clear when you shut it off.... my won't unless I remove power by unplugging the dasy or the battery.  That doesn't happen anymore though because I make sure I don't ride off if the tach is pegged waytogo

Can't wait for the dyno.
Logged
wbeck257
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 697

Porkchop Sandwhiches!


« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2008, 06:17:49 PM »

How much were the parts?

What was the process w/ remating the ecu to the gauges?

How much did the labor cost?
Logged

2006 Ducati S2R1000, 1974 Honda MT125, 1974 Penton Jackpiner 175, 1972 Yamaha R5
Monstermash
AKA-TomColore
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1689


Interferiscalo se potete


« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2008, 06:36:18 PM »

How much were the parts?

What was the process w/ remating the ecu to the gauges?

How much did the labor cost?

 No process of mating the ecu to the gauges. The TPS does need to be set though so it's more than just swapping out the stock ecu for the DP one.

 I got a deal on the parts on Ebay. $395 for the cams and the ecu.

 I also didn't take the bike to a dealer to have it done as stated in my first post. I would rather not discuss the cost of installation. If you want to do the same mod and live in the New England area I would suggest you give Eric a call for a price quote.

 I will say that is was WAY less than your local dealer would charge.   waytogo
Logged

I've been wallowing in my own chaotic and insecure delusions.



"Though I disagree with everything you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it."
He Man
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 11598



WWW
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2008, 07:02:28 PM »

As far as mechanicals go, the cams are a drop in right?
Logged

2006 Ducati S2R1100 Yea.... stunttin like my daddy CHROMED OUT 1100!!!!


Check out my Latest Video! 05/13/2017 :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4xSA7KzEzU
Monstermash
AKA-TomColore
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1689


Interferiscalo se potete


« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2008, 07:39:05 PM »

As far as mechanicals go, the cams are a drop in right?

 ummmm... not exactly. Do they fit without modifications? Yes. Is it as simple as unbolting the stock ones and refitting the new ones? No.
Logged

I've been wallowing in my own chaotic and insecure delusions.



"Though I disagree with everything you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it."
He Man
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 11598



WWW
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2008, 08:03:29 PM »

Do you mean, its alot more technical than just putting the new cams in (ie: removing the desmo valve system), but mehcaically, if you had the skills, the installing is pretty much bolt on, aside from tuning. Im wondering if i can install it at home, bring it to hte dealer to have it tuned.
Logged

2006 Ducati S2R1100 Yea.... stunttin like my daddy CHROMED OUT 1100!!!!


Check out my Latest Video! 05/13/2017 :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4xSA7KzEzU
Monstermash
AKA-TomColore
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1689


Interferiscalo se potete


« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 08:31:12 PM »

Do you mean, its alot more technical than just putting the new cams in (ie: removing the desmo valve system), but mehcaically, if you had the skills, the installing is pretty much bolt on, aside from tuning. Im wondering if i can install it at home, bring it to hte dealer to have it tuned.

 If you have above average mechanical ability then you might be able to do the install yourself. Keep in mind that when you install the ECU the TPS will need to be set. It could be a problem though as mine was at 8.6 % when we checked it out of the box. That is very bad and is like having the throttle partially open all the time. Also, degreeing the cams is wuite a chore which will also need to be done. Some pretty specific tools are required for that such as the engine turning tool, degree wheel, dial indicator, etc. If you are doing the valve adjustment, thats prolly the best time to tackle it.

 If you do decide to try it, good luck!  waytogo

 Does AAA tow motorcycles?
Logged

I've been wallowing in my own chaotic and insecure delusions.



"Though I disagree with everything you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it."
brad black
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2066


WWW
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 05:06:18 AM »

someone in the usa sent me some dyno charts a while ago for the hyper kit in a hyper and he had a play with timnig, etc and he said that it seemed to go better with the exhaust kit ecu instead of the cam kit ecu.  the tech guy at the importers here told me last week that he'd fitted a kit to the gm's bike and dyno charts he'd seen from other people showed a midrange loss and top end gain with the kit.  he also machined the cylinders and pistons to give it more comp and had a play with the ports and it didn't lose any and picked up 6hp i think.

but maybe they (dp, ducati corse, whoever does the dp mapping) didn't baseline the bike they developed the cam kit ecu on properly and the map is offset because of that from where it should be if you set the idle trim properly.  so you have to set it theoreticlly incorrectly to get the map orientation right.  dunno, but that's just a thought based on the fact monstermash's bike reacted so clearly to an idle trimmer change.  it shouldn't do that.

maybe it'd be worth seting it up on the dyno using the idle trimmer to get best power and work backwards from there for idle mixture, which it may not be possible to get "right".  i've done that before.  it's not ideal, but sometimes you just do what works.

as an example, from my experience s4r running the dp ecu do the same thing when the cam timing is set to spec.  they obviously didn't check that before they developed the mapping.
Logged

Brad The Bike Boy

http://www.bikeboy.org
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Simple Audio Video Embedder
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
SimplePortal 2.1.1