what kind of gas do you put in your 696? the manual says 95 octane?
Quote from: mrplease on August 25, 2008, 05:36:44 PM
what kind of gas do you put in your 696? the manual says 95 octane?
95 octane in Europe (your Italian manual) is the same as 91 octane in N. America. We use an average measurement, they don't, so our value is a bit lower.
Many (including myself) run regular (87 octane) in our 2 valve bikes without problem. The 696 has a higher compression ration though if I remember correctly, so it may be a good idea to run a higher grade. Ideally you shold run the lowest grade possible which doesn't make your engine knock...so experiment.
I run 87 in my Multi, but 91 in my 848. Not sure if the 91 is
really necessary in my 848...but it has a pretty high cmpression ratio.
great. thanks! thats what i've been using. 91...
Quote from: mrplease on August 25, 2008, 05:36:44 PM
what kind of gas do you put in your 696? the manual says 95 octane?
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In his defense, he is running a newer engine than is discussed in the other threads.
i was just talking to a friend about this about 5 min ago and happened to see this thread.
im running 93 here in NC. im also lucky to have a non ehtanol tainted chevron/texaco about 1/4 mile from my house. [bacon] [bacon]
the dealer advised me to try to find non enthanol mixed gas if possible and run the highest grade avail short of race fuel. (you can buy 105 at the pump here from sunoco)
Quote from: Triple J on August 25, 2008, 05:49:59 PM
In his defense, he is running a newer engine than is discussed in the other threads.
i dont think it matters a bit.
the discussion regarding low vs. high compression engines is still valid
the difference between euro vs. american octane ratings is still valid
the opinions expressed by members here about which octane they use is as valid as it ever has been
Quote from: Triple J on August 25, 2008, 05:49:59 PM
In his defense, he is running a newer engine than is discussed in the other threads.
Whats so new about the 696 engine?
This is how my pistons look like with 87 octane with 10% ethanol. im gonna sea foam he engine when i get her back.
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2797846716_85a026135a_b.jpg)
Don't do what Chris or Mike of Joe says!
Why not read the make the beast with two backsing "owner"s manual and do what it says?
What the hell would those idiots who design and build the motorcycle know about Ducatis? What do they say?
Follow the make the beast with two backsing owner's manual and buy a production manual and READ it.
Despite what anybody tells you, you can't hear the beginnings of incipient knock until after it is happening.
also
Read the owners manual and follow it. A word to the wise.
Look up the difference in Euro octane rating and US. FWIW our R+M/2 is 4 or 5 points higher by Euro measure. 91 = at least 95. Detergent package is important also.
LA
Quote from: mrplease on August 25, 2008, 05:36:44 PM
what kind of gas do you put in your 696? the manual says 95 octane?
Now look what you've done.
Quote from: herm on August 25, 2008, 05:48:43 PM
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if it makes you feel any better i did do a search and nothing came up about the kind of gas to use in a 696...
Quote from: mrplease on August 25, 2008, 07:23:39 PM
if it makes you feel any better i did do a search and nothing came up about the kind of gas to use in a 696...
i think what he's suggesting is to add on to the current threads out there instead of making an entirely new one. just say, hey, i've got a 696, is it any different for me?
Quote from: JBubble on August 25, 2008, 07:25:37 PM
i think what he's suggesting is to add on to the current threads out there instead of making an entirely new one. just say, hey, i've got a 696, is it any different for me?
thanks JB!
you can also most likely find the answer to your questions by reading those same threads [thumbsup]
Quote from: herm on August 25, 2008, 07:52:44 PM
thanks JB!
you can also most likely find the answer to your questions by reading those same threads [thumbsup]
anytime sweetpea. :-*
Quote from: LA on August 25, 2008, 06:13:08 PM
What the hell would those idiots who design and build the motorcycle know about Ducatis? What do they say?
They have had the same octane recommendation for every compression ratio from 8.5:1 to 12.5:1, air cooled, water cooled, 2 valve, 4 valve, etc. So I think it is safe to say they (Ducati) don't put much thought or testing into their octane requirement other than to tell people to use the highest octane commonly available at the pump in Europe.
These are also the same people that sent the 696 out the door with the coils wired wrong, gave up on ever making the S2R1000 run properly without installing the full Termi kit, sold thousands of bikes with flaking rockers and bad valve guides, and the list goes on. They are humans not gods. They take shortcuts and they make mistakes.
Quote from: silentbob on August 25, 2008, 08:05:38 PM
They have had the same octane recommendation for every compression ratio from 8.5:1 to 12.5:1, air cooled, water cooled, 2 valve, 4 valve, etc. So I think it is safe to say they (Ducati) don't put much thought or testing into their octane requirement other than to tell people to use the highest octane commonly available at the pump in Europe.
These are also the same people that sent the 696 out the door with the coils wired wrong, gave up on ever making the S2R1000 run properly without installing the full Termi kit, sold thousands of bikes with flaking rockers and bad valve guides, and the list goes on. They are humans not gods. They take shortcuts and they make mistakes.
ouch
[laugh]
^ +1 ^
/soapbox on
OK so here's what I don't get. This guy asked a simple question, got it answered, and thanked the answerer in the first three posts. The rest was basically people complaining about opening a new thread instead of adding on to an old/existing one.
On to my question... SO WHAT? Is it really that big of a freaking deal, enough for you all to rip him for asking a pretty important question in a new post? He actually stated that he did a search and came up with nothing and even THAT wasn't good enough! This is one of the reasons that I dread coming to places like this. There is tons of good information but you have to wade through all the jackasses first to get to it. The internet builds huge e-peens and I am sick to death of it. Can't we just have a good conversation about things we care about without having to make people feel bad because you are King of the Keyboard. Good lord get a life.
/soapbox off
Because its common courtesy to do a THOROUGH search before posting up. There are plenty of threads about this topic. By doing a thorough search and using one thread it keeps the board uncluttered and all the information in one place/thread so its easier for others to find it.
And this place is a lot better than other places about people asking questions. Go read the thread about why the DMF is so great. You're in the minority when you say you have to wade through the jackasses.
All we ask is that you do a thorough search before posting up. Its really not that hard and like I said, its common courtesy.
Quote from: herm on August 25, 2008, 06:00:24 PM
i dont think it matters a bit.
the discussion regarding low vs. high compression engines is still valid
the difference between euro vs. american octane ratings is still valid
the opinions expressed by members here about which octane they use is as valid as it ever has been
True.
Quote from: He Man on August 25, 2008, 06:03:17 PM
Whats so new about the 696 engine?
Higher compression ratio than other 2V motors. Like Herm said, it's talked about in other threads. But the 696 isn't specifically talked about.
The answer could be figured out by reading and knowing the 696 compression ratio though.
Compression ratio is only one part of the answer. Head design, volumetric efficiency, ignition and fuel maps all make a difference. Even slight manufacturing variations matter. An extra rough edge here or there and you have a built in glow plug. A new design can make an old question relative.
Ya know people...
it takes no more time and effort to answer the question...
than it does to post up complaining about someone not doing a 'thorough' enough search...
Not everyone is an expert with search functions...
I have trouble sometimes.
In this particular case the OP did search and found nothing on the 696.
I think we should lighten up a bit.
I just got a Diamondback BMX... which fuel should I use? I find when I mix mountain bars with my high compression ratio... my wife bans me from the room... something about strange exhaust sounds and smells.... but the power bars don't seem to have a high enough octane to give me the spark I need. ;D
Take it easy guys... this is the web... it's more fun when people ask questions... otherwise, they could just go to the old board and read everything we already said... and there is seriously no fun in that at all.
Quote from: MonsterMI on August 26, 2008, 06:26:18 AM
/soapbox on
OK so here's what I don't get. This guy asked a simple question, got it answered, and thanked the answerer in the first three posts. The rest was basically people complaining about opening a new thread instead of adding on to an old/existing one.
On to my question... SO WHAT? Is it really that big of a freaking deal, enough for you all to rip him for asking a pretty important question in a new post? He actually stated that he did a search and came up with nothing and even THAT wasn't good enough! This is one of the reasons that I dread coming to places like this. There is tons of good information but you have to wade through all the jackasses first to get to it. The internet builds huge e-peens and I am sick to death of it. Can't we just have a good conversation about things we care about without having to make people feel bad because you are King of the Keyboard. Good lord get a life.
/soapbox off
yeah thanks. but like you said the first guy that posted answered my question, and i thank him for that. thread closed. i really could care less about all the other posts, unless its someone being cool and posting some helpful info... i mean it is a internet forum, you kind of expect it. people like to mouth off from behind computers. now if someone talked to me like that in my face, i'd take his head off. but luckily people are halfway decent in person...
So its ok to have 11ty billion threads on it, and then when someone actually does a search they have to read through a bunch of individual threads just to get all the information?
A simple (SIMPLE) search on 'octane' gave up a ton of advice. It would just be nice if it was kept in one thread so those of us that do search wouldn't have to jump all over the place to find the info. I'm not saying its gonna be easy for every search. If its something obscure, than perhaps I could understand.
But I guess I need to lighten up and get a life. [roll]
DP, if this counts as arguing with a mod, let me know and I'll delete it.
#1. The gas debate is like the oil debate (or the abortion debate for vehicles as I like to call it), it's not gonna be resolved in this thread or in any other.
#2. Even I (a guy who works on search engines for a living) don't always use the search function and sometimes when I do, I don't get the results I'm after. We must realize that not everyone is as familiar with the manner in which search engines works, so while 'octane' might yield a ton of threads, '696 gas recommendation' probably doesn't bring back any results. A lot of people don't realize that by adding more words to the query, you significantly reduce the result set.
#3. If people are quick to jump on a guy (who DID search and said as much) for posting non-original content, we come off looking like a bunch of elitists and that's no good.
That is all...
Quote from: JBubble on August 26, 2008, 03:10:26 PM
But I guess I need to lighten up and get a life. [roll]
I thought you were trying to be more Zen and less Angry Little Leprechan? Or Should I just call you ALL for short? ;D
Quote from: ryandalling on August 26, 2008, 03:44:00 PM
I thought you were trying to be more Zen and less Angry Little Leprechan? Or Should I just call you ALL for short? ;D
You know, I expect too much of people. I forget that not everyone is computer literate.
So much for zen.
Hell... I work on the inter-webs all damn day... and I still post without doing a thorough search... not always literacy thing... more of a slacker thing. I would agree it is better to have one thread to search through than 200 all on the same topic... but it isn't alwasy the easiest way to do things. [thumbsup]
If you'd just start asking questions that had already been answered anyway you wouldn't care about how easy it is to search something.
Just ask your question and receive the answer.
[bacon]
how many threads are there about 696 mileage?
Quote from: JBubble on August 26, 2008, 03:10:26 PM
So its ok to have 11ty billion threads on it, and then when someone actually does a search they have to read through a bunch of individual threads just to get all the information?
A simple (SIMPLE) search on 'octane' gave up a ton of advice. It would just be nice if it was kept in one thread so those of us that do search wouldn't have to jump all over the place to find the info. I'm not saying its gonna be easy for every search. If its something obscure, than perhaps I could understand.
But I guess I need to lighten up and get a life. [roll]
DP, if this counts as arguing with a mod, let me know and I'll delete it.
You're missing the point.
...and quit rolling your eyes...
that's my job. >:(
Not everything is perfect...nor everybody.
It's just an internet forum.
You mentioned the "Why is the DMF so nice" thread.
Read it again...
you're not coming across that way.
Just sayin'
Arguing with a mod so I have deleted the post.
Quote from: JBubble on August 26, 2008, 06:38:08 AM
Because its common courtesy to do a THOROUGH search before posting up. There are plenty of threads about this topic. By doing a thorough search and using one thread it keeps the board uncluttered and all the information in one place/thread so its easier for others to find it.
And this place is a lot better than other places about people asking questions. Go read the thread about why the DMF is so great. You're in the minority when you say you have to wade through the jackasses.
All we ask is that you do a thorough search before posting up. Its really not that hard and like I said, its common courtesy.
harsh
I did an 'octane' search and this thread is the only one that pops to the top. So...... what octane should I be running in my S2R800? Simple answer to a simple questions not too much to ask is it?
Quote from: JBubble on August 26, 2008, 05:35:53 PM
Wait, me? the same person who at the beginning of this thread tried to temper Herm's reply to the guy? and suggested an alternative way of doing things by posting in another gas thread specifically about a 696?
I'm sorry, but I fail to see where i was mean or whatever in this entire thread. its not like i told anybody to get a life or anything.
Again, if this is considered arguing with a mod, i'll be happy to take this to PMs and/or delete this post.
Now you're arguing.
and you were less than pleasant.
Quote from: JBubble on August 26, 2008, 06:38:08 AM
Because its common courtesy to do a THOROUGH search before posting up. There are plenty of threads about this topic. By doing a thorough search and using one thread it keeps the board uncluttered and all the information in one place/thread so its easier for others to find it.
And this place is a lot better than other places about people asking questions. Go read the thread about why the DMF is so great. You're in the minority when you say you have to wade through the jackasses.
All we ask is that you do a thorough search before posting up. Its really not that hard and like I said, its common courtesy.
LA was downright nasty
Quote from: LA on August 25, 2008, 06:13:08 PM
Don't do what Chris or Mike of Joe says!
Why not read the make the beast with two backsing "owner"s manual and do what it says?
What the hell would those idiots who design and build the motorcycle know about Ducatis? What do they say?
Follow the make the beast with two backsing owner's manual and buy a production manual and READ it.
Despite what anybody tells you, you can't hear the beginnings of incipient knock until after it is happening.
also
Read the owners manual and follow it. A word to the wise.
Look up the difference in Euro octane rating and US. FWIW our R+M/2 is 4 or 5 points higher by Euro measure. 91 = at least 95. Detergent package is important also.
LA
Why didn't you tell him to calm down?
Further conversation can take place by pm...although I really have nothing more to say.
I apologize for arguing. The post will be deleted. And you will be receiving a PM.
Very entertaining. Most of this conversation reminds me of the 10-11 year olds I teach ;D ;D. Now, big group-hug before I start writing referrals.
Use 87, then use 89 then use 93. what gives the best fuel economy? thats the one you should be using.
if you have to ask, its because each fuel grade has the same amount of energy. more mpg = more use of energy.
you should also note that your engine probably still hasnt broken in yet (im talking a few thousand miles) 80% of your breaking in is done in the first few hundred, the last 20% takes thousands of miles, thats where you'll see your MPGs gradually get better and steadier.
Quote from: mrplease on August 25, 2008, 05:36:44 PM
what kind of gas do you put in your 696? the manual says 95 octane?
Running Shell 91 and it's fine.
I read this entire thread and still don't know the answer to the question. :D :P
Quote from: He Man on August 26, 2008, 07:04:31 PM
you should also note that your engine probably still hasnt broken in yet (im talking a few thousand miles) 80% of your breaking in is done in the first few hundred, the last 20% takes thousands of miles, thats where you'll see your MPGs gradually get better and steadier.
Just a thought. Those last 20% could actually be the bike breaking in the rider. ;)
just reading the last posts. woah. why are we treating each other this way. we're here to be a part of something and learn. and for those of you who are experts to share.
for the 696 it says minimum 91 octane (US spec) or 95 ron (Euro spec) which is typically midgrade gas. (super here in Europe)
for the S2R800 i would check the manual and go with that.