Not rehasing an old issue, just wanted to say that anyone who has a 696 and hasn't had this checked on their bike, I highly recomend having the dealer check it next time you are there. I took my bike in after the check engine light was coming on, and once they took a look at the bike they noticed the coil wires on the horizontal cyclinder were crossed. To be honest I had never really noticed it running real bad (maybe a little rough), as I had the termis put on right after I got the bike, and attributed some of the issus to the ecu. When I made the appointment, the tech told me that the TPS probably was not being reset, and that was probably the cause for the check engine light. After they fixed the wires it really woke the bike up. It runs way better and throttle response is also greatly improved. It made a world of difference, and all along I was riding the bike, not even aware of the issue! Just wanted to give all the 696 owners a heads up. Even if you think your bike is fine, it may still have the wires crossed.
Thanks for the info. I'll get it checked out. [thumbsup]
Just dropped my 696 off for the first service...I told them to check out the coil issue and they said they never heard about it. I told them that I heard about it on the DMF and they proceeded to tell me that most of the info on the internet is false and that I shouldn't worry about it... [bang]
Quote from: Roy on August 27, 2008, 08:50:18 AM
Just dropped my 696 off for the first service...I told them to check out the coil issue and they said they never heard about it. I told them that I heard about it on the DMF and they proceeded to tell me that most of the info on the internet is false and that I shouldn't worry about it... [bang]
You need to call DNA and have them speak to the dealer then. They need to check the coils for this issue.
Quote from: Roy on August 27, 2008, 08:50:18 AM
Just dropped my 696 off for the first service...I told them to check out the coil issue and they said they never heard about it. I told them that I heard about it on the DMF and they proceeded to tell me that most of the info on the internet is false and that I shouldn't worry about it... [bang]
I've had two dealers verify the issue exists. and my bike had the issue. fixed now.
JBubble is right call DNA so they can straighten your dealer out. they apparently need to learn to read DNA traffic.
Will brand new 696's have this problem? I would hope Ducati has resolved this issue with bikes currently being built.
Quote from: bulldogs2k on August 27, 2008, 09:29:50 AM
Will brand new 696's have this problem? I would hope Ducati has resolved this issue with bikes currently being built.
I wouldn't trust it. If it was a problem in the past, have your dealer check it anyways. Can't hurt to check it right?
All dealers should have been notified and checked their stock...
I would assume this only pertains to a certain VIN number since they found the problem at some point. my vin is 1875 so i would assume if you have one lower than that you could have the problem.
QuoteJust dropped my 696 off for the first service...I told them to check out the coil issue and they said they never heard about it. I told them that I heard about it on the DMF and they proceeded to tell me that most of the info on the internet is false and that I shouldn't worry about it...
You should call around and find a dealer near you that is aware of the issue. Or you can have the dealer can the dealer I went to and they can confirm the issue with them.
QuoteWill brand new 696's have this problem? I would hope Ducati has resolved this issue with bikes currently being built.
I know the first production run of 696's had the issue from the factory. If Ducati fixed the problem and the new ones being built are problem free, I dont know. I got my 696 back in the middle of May and just had the issue fixed now...
don't understand the dealer not knowing about the coil issue. there was ducati bulletin sent to the techs/ dealers. how can one get it and another not?
Quote from: T. Rush on August 27, 2008, 02:32:27 PM
don't understand the dealer not knowing about the coil issue. there was ducati bulletin sent to the techs/ dealers. how can one get it and another not?
No official bulletin was ever sent out, the problem was just communicated thru the serv reps to their dealers. have you dealer call their service rep
YES< finally a dealer straightens it out. Thank you DAVE R
A few months back I started a thread Called "696 mapping problems". My bike ran rough and over heated a few times. Turns out it wasn't a mapping problen at all. I had the "coil issue" on my bike. It was fixed at the 600 mile service and it was a big difference. It runs so smooth now ( I almost miss the rough, snarling, cackling pipes, reminded me of a race bike) and is much more responsive. Mine was one of the first my dealer delivered, but I don't know if that is any indication of when the problem occurs in the production run. Since all 696's are new eveyone should be checked at the 600 mile service. Oh, and add the comfort seat, no more busted nuts!
I'll call my dealer tomorrow and have them call their service rep. Hopefully everything works out. I'll let you all know what they tell me this time...
So for those of us worried about this being an issue on our 696s but not having time to take it in to the dealer to get checked... is there any way we can check it or even fix it ourselves? My other reason for not wanting to take it to the dealer is because I like working on the bike myself. Thanks for the help.
ask Shadowchaser
Just got off the phone with my dealer to check on the status of my 600 mile service. They told me everything looks good but they just recieved a bulletin regarding a fueling issue. They said that they are currently in contact with DNA to try and find out what they need to fix or look for...I have a feeling this is the coil issue that I told them about two days ago when I dropped it off. [roll]
my dealer got the bulletin months ago. mine and every 696 they get in stock is inspected and any coil crossing corrections are fixed before it even hits the showroom floor.
gotta love ducati in charlotte. :)
Quote from: rosstermyer on August 29, 2008, 02:10:42 PM
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gotta love ducati in charlotte. :)
Gotta agree with you there. That shop is awesome.
Quote from: rosstermyer on August 29, 2008, 02:10:42 PM
my dealer got the bulletin months ago. mine and every 696 they get in stock is inspected and any coil crossing corrections are fixed before it even hits the showroom floor.
gotta love ducati in charlotte. :)
May have to buy mine from there, how far is it from va beach?
Quote from: bulldogs2k on August 29, 2008, 06:51:13 PM
May have to buy mine from there, how far is it from va beach?
its pretty far, but their service is second to none.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=virginia+beach&daddr=bmw+ducati+charlotte&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=37.97235,-77.55249&sspn=1.619513,2.460937&ie=UTF8&ll=35.986896,-78.453369&spn=3.324491,4.921875&z=8
Perfect for a meet up and break in ride :) I would make my way to the Blue Ridge Parkway though!
Quote from: Amlethae on August 29, 2008, 05:06:51 AM
So for those of us worried about this being an issue on our 696s but not having time to take it in to the dealer to get checked... is there any way we can check it or even fix it ourselves? My other reason for not wanting to take it to the dealer is because I like working on the bike myself. Thanks for the help.
Any thoughts on this? Would really like to check my bike soon... it's running really hot after about 15 min (one notch down from max on the oil temp) and hard to start and lurching in 3rd&4th around 3k rpm. Pretty sure coils are my problem -- bone stock btw. Would love to fix it asap but no time for the dealer for another week or two. Thanks!
when did you buy your 696? It is most likely your coils as this sounds like the same problem mentioned by the OP.
yep that's the coil issue. mine almost overheated going to the dealer to look at it.
PM shadowchaser.
So I just found out that I do indeed have the coil issue on my 696. What is the strangest part though is that I checked the wiring of the coils with the wiring diagram in the back of the 696 Owner's Manual and the way it is currently (wrongly) hooked up is correct according to that diagram. I am wondering if they have changed the diagram or if the diagram is wrong for everyone. Anyone wanna check that?
My Owner's Manual Diagram says:
O Coil -
Wire 1 (next to the clip): Bn/W
Wire 2: Gr/B
V Coil -
Wire 1 (next to the clip): Bn/W
Wire 2: Gr/G
Note that according to my sources, IF your bike is wired as stated above, you have the coil issue and need to reverse wires 1 & 2 on both coils.
Could someone check their fixed or factory-perfect bikes and make sure that my sources are correct and your wires are indeed reversed versus the diagram?
Thanks.
My 696 is marked as assembled in April '08 if that bares any significance.
My 696 was built in May. I just had the 600 mile service and the tech told me that he had to fix some wires that were crossed. My Monster runs great now. I just thought that it took time to break in. I kept the engine below 6000 rpm for the first 600 miles, but now run it up to and shift about 8000 rpm. I'm in love even more with the bike (nicknamed Bella). Get the wires fixed and enjoy!
It would be nice to know if this 'crossed wires' issue concerns US models only or also some Euro shipments...
Well, I just got my bike back from the 600 mile service...before the service It was damn near impossible to start, but it seemed to run really smoothly. Now after the service it seems to start on the first try but it runs really rough in first gear and between 3-4 rpm. Would they have "played" with the TPS in order to fix the starting issue.
I did tell them about the coil issue but they brushed me off. They did say that they received a bulletin (Bulletin TSB811) on the 696 but DNA did not give details on the issue... [bang]
Does anyone know how to contact DNA? I would like to try to get them to call my dealership and inform them of this issue.
Thanks,
Roy
Quote from: Amlethae on September 04, 2008, 09:46:20 PM
So I just found out that I do indeed have the coil issue on my 696. What is the strangest part though is that I checked the wiring of the coils with the wiring diagram in the back of the 696 Owner's Manual and the way it is currently (wrongly) hooked up is correct according to that diagram. I am wondering if they have changed the diagram or if the diagram is wrong for everyone. Anyone wanna check that?
My Owner's Manual Diagram says:
O Coil -
Wire 1 (next to the clip): Bn/W
Wire 2: Gr/B
V Coil -
Wire 1 (next to the clip): Bn/W
Wire 2: Gr/G
Note that according to my sources, IF your bike is wired as stated above, you have the coil issue and need to reverse wires 1 & 2 on both coils.
Could someone check their fixed or factory-perfect bikes and make sure that my sources are correct and your wires are indeed reversed versus the diagram?
Thanks.
My 696 is marked as assembled in April '08 if that bares any significance.
If your manual says it should be a certain way, then how do you know yours is wired wrong? Who told you that it was wrong? I'm not sure if mine has this problem or not and I too live a long way from a dealer. I sent an email to DNA and they told me that they had no information to pass along to me but if I was having a problem with my bike to take it to a dealer. I'm not having a problem, but I want to know if my bike could run better than it is.
well apparently there are some issues with the manuals.
we found that out in the HID topic. the manual says two H7 bulbs, but it has one H7 and one H1 on the bike.
Find a reputable dealer that knows what it is doing. and talk to them. Advanced Motorsports in Alvaredo is one that i know of. Ducati Oklahoma fixed mine so they know the correct way for sure.
Just got my bike back today from the 600 mile service. They ran my vin through the service computer and it said my bike was not affected by the coil issue. My bike was built in June.
Quote from: Murdered Monster on September 05, 2008, 04:19:12 PM
If your manual says it should be a certain way, then how do you know yours is wired wrong? Who told you that it was wrong? I'm not sure if mine has this problem or not and I too live a long way from a dealer. I sent an email to DNA and they told me that they had no information to pass along to me but if I was having a problem with my bike to take it to a dealer. I'm not having a problem, but I want to know if my bike could run better than it is.
I received an email with instructions on how to fix it from someone on the board -- he got it from a dealer -- I haven't recieved permission to post the email but it essentially says what I put on this thread. I have not been able to ride the bike since I fixed the wires on my bike because I had to fly out of town immediately after. But if my symptoms are gone (trouble starting, lurching at 3-4k rpm, oil temps between 375-390deg F constantly) then I'll know that the manual is wrong and this is the fix. We'll see what happens. Wish the dealers were more knowledgeable about the problem.
Quote from: Amlethae on September 07, 2008, 11:42:49 AM
I received an email with instructions on how to fix it from someone on the board -- he got it from a dealer -- I haven't recieved permission to post the email but it essentially says what I put on this thread. I have not been able to ride the bike since I fixed the wires on my bike because I had to fly out of town immediately after. But if my symptoms are gone (trouble starting, lurching at 3-4k rpm, oil temps between 375-390deg F constantly) then I'll know that the manual is wrong and this is the fix. We'll see what happens. Wish the dealers were more knowledgeable about the problem.
Okay, thanks for the update. He also emailed it to me. I'm anxious to see how your bike runs now before I go messing with mine. If you would post about how it runs after you get a chance to ride it that would be helpful. Thanks again.
Quote from: Amlethae on September 04, 2008, 09:46:20 PM...I checked the wiring of the coils with the wiring diagram in the back of the 696 Owner's Manual and the way it is currently (wrongly) hooked up is correct according to that diagram...
Remember: A wire has TWO ends.
If the correct colors are in place on one end, they could be swapped at the other (the ECU connector!).
The diagram
could be right... did you check the other end to make sure it was
coming from the right place?
Very Happy to Report:
I did the coil rewiring on Friday... went out of town all weekend... just took the first ride on her since I switched the wires. I'm VERY HAPPY to report that even after sitting all weekend without being turned on, the engine immediately started on first press of the button. The bike did not overheat at all but ran between 275deg F and 350deg F in a lot of stop & go traffic. Way better than the 400deg F I was getting before!! There is no more severe lurching in the 3k RPM range! And best of all, the bike is a LOT MORE SPRY! A bit scary after having learned on the 696 (my first bike) in cripple mode... it's a lot faster now... constantly ready to get up and GO! Soooo.... if you're experiencing trouble starting, high oil temps constantly, and really bad lurching 3-4k RPM, then you've got the coil problem and you should look into it.
Now I gotta go back to the dealer and tell them they were wrong to blow me off when I asked them to check it.
Quote from: SUPER DUKE! on September 07, 2008, 12:37:46 PM
Remember: A wire has TWO ends.
If the correct colors are in place on one end, they could be swapped at the other (the ECU connector!).
The diagram could be right... did you check the other end to make sure it was coming from the right place?
Yes Super Duke makes a point that wires are connected on both ends. However the ECU only has one wire going out to each coil pack. The Gr/B wire goes to the horizontal pack, and the Gr/G wire goes to the vertical pack. The Bn/W wires that are connected to the coils do not connect directly to the ECU but rather the Injector Relay. You won't find the Bn/W wires coming off the ECU. If you were to swap the Gr/B & Gr/G wires at the ECU you would in effect be swapping coil packs on the engine from one cylinder to the other.... NOT A GOOD IDEA. So the only fix is to swap the Gr/* and Bn/W wires at each coil pack. I assume -- though I'm no engineer -- that the Bn/W wires act as ground wires and the Gr/* wires giving positive signals to the coils. With these wires reversed at the coils from the factory the coils are working in reverse which is not good for the engine nor the coils...
This kinda gets me to thinking that those who didn't get this checked/fixed until the 600 mile service might want to take a look at their spark plugs and also get Ducati to agree to replace the coils for free either immediately or if/when they break. Not sure what kind of electronics are going on in the coils, but I assume there's a capacitor in there as well as a diode or two... and it's crucial that these elements not have reversed polarity EVER. If Ducati agrees to this, those of us who fixed it ourselves may be out of luck unless they check the status against the VIN number. I only had 150 miles on mine... not great to run for so long like that, but better than 600 miles certainly.
[beer]
Thanks for the update. I will be checking mine in the next couple days.
There has been a question of where to find the coils/wires on the 696 and I want to be sure to share the answer with everyone.
The horizontal coil is marked with "O" on the wiring harness. This is the easiest one to take a look at on the bike without taking things apart. If you crawl under the front of the bike and look up behind the plastic radiator shroud, you'll see a couple of wires going into a black box with a label "O" on it. This is that coil pack. The other coil pack is underneath the gas tank -- search the forums for how to get there... either search for ECU replacing or how to get to the battery -- it is labeled with the letter "V". Looking at the Ducati 696 Parts catalog will give you a better idea of where the coils are mounted. The wiring diagram in the back of your manual will give you an idea of what the wire colors should look like -- but remember that the position of the Bn/W and Gr/* wires in the diagram are WRONG.
The easiest way by far to locate the coil packs however is to simply put your finger on the spark plug cable for each cylinder and follow it up to the coil pack. The cable will have the same connector on both ends... the one for the vertical cylinder is a bit harder to follow, but much easier if you remove the tank first. If you want to check if you have the issue or not, look at the horizontal coil pack wiring first cause it's much easier.
I certainly recommend that everyone who knows they have the problem go to their dealer and have them fix it, so that the problem is recorded on the books officially if you have problems with your coils in the future. If you would like to fix it yourself though, please PM me and I'll email you with directions... seriously you could hurt something if you don't read the directions first. The connectors are very fragile.
All I can say is... yeesh, good work. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Amlethae on September 07, 2008, 07:45:56 PM
The horizontal coil is marked with "O" on the wiring harness. This is the easiest one to take a look at on the bike without taking things apart. If you crawl under the front of the bike and look up behind the plastic radiator shroud, you'll see a couple of wires going into a black box with a label "O" on it. This is that coil pack.
So you're saying that if this one is wired wrong, I have the coil problem? I don't need to pull the tank off to check the other one? I don't plan on doing it myself. I just want to check to see if I have the problem.
Quote from: Murdered Monster on September 08, 2008, 06:36:34 AM
So you're saying that if this one is wired wrong, I have the coil problem? I don't need to pull the tank off to check the other one? I don't plan on doing it myself. I just want to check to see if I have the problem.
I don't have definite confirmation that wrong wires on the horizontal harness == wrong wires on the vertical harness as well. However, it is most likely that this is the case and therefore it's easy to confirm if you have the coil issue simply by looking up the bike's skirt (checking the horizontal coil wiring) rather than unscrewing anything!
Hi guys! Got my 696 last week and in this weekend drove the first 550km around the country with the break-in mode on ;) For the first 100km I did maximum 4000rpms and now I do about 5000rpms.
I have also been following this coil issue and from one side it seems like I don't have it because the max temperature that I get is 3 bars and one or two times I got 4 temperature bars.
Anyways what I have noticed is that it doesn't really like low rpms, like if you start to accelerate from 2000rpms it will give a lot of vibrations and shaking before it takes off nicely. This is my first ducati and first bike as such so I wonder if it's OK or it's not? ;)
I will also add the next question in this same topic - at 4000rpms it starts a slow knocking sound like tuk tuk tuk and then till 5000rpms it goes really fast. I like the sound but all the videos I have watched didn't have anything like that so I wonder if that is OK as well?
I have enjoyed this last weekend a lot, though I still don't like going too fast because of all the wind etc, but I guess that comes with time :)
Thanks for all of the help I got from everyone on this subject. I've figured out I have the dreaded coil problem. I have just over 1000 miles on my bike so I'm not sure if I'm going to do the switch myself or take it to a dealer, which is 2 hours away. I don't want to run into any problems with the coils going bad on me later on. Thanks again. :)
Quote from: semyhr on September 08, 2008, 11:39:57 AM
Hi guys! Got my 696 last week and in this weekend drove the first 550km around the country with the break-in mode on ;) For the first 100km I did maximum 4000rpms and now I do about 5000rpms.
I have also been following this coil issue and from one side it seems like I don't have it because the max temperature that I get is 3 bars and one or two times I got 4 temperature bars.
Anyways what I have noticed is that it doesn't really like low rpms, like if you start to accelerate from 2000rpms it will give a lot of vibrations and shaking before it takes off nicely. This is my first ducati and first bike as such so I wonder if it's OK or it's not? ;)
I will also add the next question in this same topic - at 4000rpms it starts a slow knocking sound like tuk tuk tuk and then till 5000rpms it goes really fast. I like the sound but all the videos I have watched didn't have anything like that so I wonder if that is OK as well?
I have enjoyed this last weekend a lot, though I still don't like going too fast because of all the wind etc, but I guess that comes with time :)
you 4k knocking sounds like the coil. i didnt really see a problem until i rode to 600k service. 70 mph on highway in 6th is about 4-4.5k with 15t sprocket... and it nearly overheated the whole 1 hour ride. kept having to slow down and cool off.
get it checked
I fixed the coil issue this morning. It wasn't that bad. The bike runs a lot smoother. No more surging. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Murdered Monster on September 10, 2008, 07:55:31 AM
I fixed the coil issue this morning. It wasn't that bad. The bike runs a lot smoother. No more surging. [thumbsup]
Was it involved? Where is the coil located at?
There's two of them. The first one is up under the front shroud. The second one is under the gas tank on the right side of the bike. A few post back explains it a little better. Only took me about 1 1/2 hours start to finish.
I'm curious when all the m696s w/ this problem were purchased. I'm just wondering what the most recent is.
apparently it's a VIN number check.
not sure how high the numbers go for the problem.
I'm sure by the time I get mine it will be a non-issue. I actually prefer the swing arm to the sss of the 1100. [cheeky]
Is the coil issue always with a very high temperature of the engine oil? (i.e. almost full or 1 bar to the max)?
Or maybe someone had like 3 bars temperature but the engine didn't run very smooth?
Quote from: semyhr on September 11, 2008, 12:29:00 AM
Is the coil issue always with a very high temperature of the engine oil? (i.e. almost full or 1 bar to the max)?
Or maybe someone had like 3 bars temperature but the engine didn't run very smooth?
That's what I'd like to know.
i never realizied i had the coil issue until 600 mile service 1 hr trip.. all around town stuff and never had overheat.
Has anyone had the coil issue where only one of the coils was crossed? My bike sputters at 4k RPM, but never over-heats (3 bars max). I visually inspected the Horizontal Coil, and it appears to be consistent with what everyone is saying is the "correct" wiring (Gn/B wire on port 1, Br/W on port 2). I suppose to be absolutely positive, I should pull off the gas tank and inspect the Vertical Coil... I just wanted to see if there was a precedent at all.
For general interest information, my bike came delivered from the factory with (at least the O Coil) wired as mentioned above (e.g. "Correctly"). My owners manual states the opposite (as does everyone else's). It was manufactured in June '08
Quote from: desmodan on September 11, 2008, 09:00:00 AM
Has anyone had the coil issue where only one of the coils was crossed? My bike sputters at 4k RPM, but never over-heats (3 bars max). I visually inspected the Horizontal Coil, and it appears to be consistent with what everyone is saying is the "correct" wiring (Gn/B wire on port 1, Br/W on port 2). I suppose to be absolutely positive, I should pull off the gas tank and inspect the Vertical Coil... I just wanted to see if there was a precedent at all.
For general interest information, my bike came delivered from the factory with (at least the O Coil) wired as mentioned above (e.g. "Correctly"). My owners manual states the opposite (as does everyone else's). It was manufactured in June '08
I didnt have the overheating problem, but it did surge around 3-4 k. Both of my coil where wired wrong.
Sooo... I'm gonna admit to being a little confused on all of this. According to the info and instructions on fixing this, my bike is wired backwards...by looking at the front coil and seeing where the brown wire connects vs the greyish wire. So, I called my dealer and asked him about the TSB..and he said yup, it's real, but if my bike had the problem it would run poorly. So, my bike starts at the first poke of the button, runs great, never overheats. I don't notice a severe stumble at the sub 4K range on the tach... it does lug a bit more in that range, but so did my last Duc...and even so, it's nothing terrible.
If it were not for this post, I'd never even think to look..cause the bike runs great.
Is it possible to have a bike with the wiring that matches the owner's manual diagram and have it not be wrong?
-craig
Ok, prior to pick-up of my 696 two weeks ago, my dealership acknowledged that the coil issue does not affect my 696. I now have ~400 miles on her and I haven't notice any check-engine-light, starting problem, back-firing, or surging. She did, however, got up to five bars on the oil temperature gauge a few times but maybe sitting in bumper to bumper traffic under the >100 degree Texas sun had something to do with it.
Anyways, after all these readings, paranoia got the better of me and so I went and check myself.
Well, it seems like my baby's horizontal coil, or the "O" wiring harness to be exact, at least is wired correctly (Incorrectly, according to the diagram in the manual)
Can someone confirm what I saw:
*note: the color on the wire may look orange or red but in reality it is brown.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3115/2852359937_fdafcc6bf5.jpg?v=0)
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/2853192204_da30688208.jpg?v=0)
Whether mine is wired right or wrong this should let other 696 owners know what they need to look at. Thanks Amlethae for the direction, this place is great!
Sorry to move off topic a bit but as I remove the shroud to take a look and snap the pictures the tube connected to the underside of the canister looks like it was routed upward as you can see in the first picture in the bottom right hand corner. Is this the correct routing as I think the open end shouldn't be routed upward and not connected to anything?
Sleeper_I... thx for the post. Mine is opposite from how yours is shown...which according to all the posts is 'incorrect'... but the bike has run flawlessly for 800+ miles. I have a big ride coming up in 2 weeks and don't know if I dare switch it prior to that since I know it runs well now.
I love these forums...but at the same time I hate these forums ;D ...sometimes ignorance truly is bliss....
-craig
Sleeper- that is in fact the coil wires that we have been discussing. Any on your bike they are wired correctly.
Slowrider- I had the same thing with my bike. I had over 1000 miles on my bike and didn't have any problems with my bike. Nothing! But I switched the wires anyway. I did notice a little quicker response from my throttle and the minor surging went away. All of this is not the critical, but I didn't want my baby to be wired wrong.
Thanks for the confirmation Murdered Monster.
Slowrider, I'm sure you want your Monster to run in tip top shape for your big ride. Besides, it isn't healthy just because it run fine now. So get crackin' mate [beer], and happy "[moto] ing".
Just found this, maybe it's helpful.
http://up.sur-la-toile.com/ihpS
ps. my O looked correct, couldn't tell my V one (it's covered with plastic materials even though I can see the label). Pics?
thx
Excellent find Jandie [thumbsup]
Quote from: Sleeper_I on September 13, 2008, 04:58:55 AM
Anyways, after all these readings, paranoia got the better of me and so I went and check myself.
Well, it seems like my baby's horizontal coil, or the "O" wiring harness to be exact, at least is wired correctly (Incorrectly, according to the diagram in the manual)
Thanks for the pictures.
Checked mine today, looks like I have the same so mine shouldn't have the coil issue.
Quote from: Sleeper_I on September 13, 2008, 11:14:38 PM
Slowrider, I'm sure you want your Monster to run in tip top shape for your big ride. Besides, it isn't healthy just because it run fine now. So get crackin' mate [beer], and happy "[moto] ing".
Sleeper_I... you're making me feel guilty ;D Guess I'll have to tear into it this week. How much body work has to be removed to get to the wires with enough room to work. I'm not even sure where the rear coil is located... Does the tank have to come completely off?
Actually...I did a test today just to see how bad the 'lurching' is under 4K. It's a bit worse than I had originally stated...mostly because I usually avoid that range because it is not as smooth. But I tried to run a couple miles with the RPM's pegged right at the 3500 range..and it's a bit jerky...feels like it's chugging...like being in too tall a gear. I think I always attributed this to the gearing...but maybe the coil has been the issue all along.
-craig
No problem Slowrider, just looking out for a fellow DMF'er ;D
You can just have your dealer do the job. It should be cover under the warranty. From what others are saying it's approximately half an hour job.
If you don't have one near and willing to do it yourself it might take you an hour or more. The horizontal is easiest, you should be able to work on it by just removing the shroud (refer to my first picture). I did not bother checking my vertical but from what it seems you will have to remove or at least lift the tank in order to get to it. Refer to page 71 "Removal of the battery" i your manual. If I'm not mistaken you can see the "V" coil wire in Fig. 75 and 76.
Who knows, I might check it out myself since I'm already looking at it. Dang, paranoia is kicking in again.
Just be sure not to pinch any wire or tube as you reinstall the tank. Good luck
My dealer's not close...and when I called them, they said that if it was wrong the bike would not run right at all...soooo, I'll likely just tackle it myself.
Thanks for info...
Sooo...life got busy and I did not get a chance to mess with my coil wires yet, so I decided to take advantage of a warm October day in upstate NY and have my dealer take a look at it... and now I'm confused.
According to the dealer, his notes said the brown wire is to be by the clip...per the owner's manual wiring diagram...and opposite of what some of you have been told and found by your dealers. He tore it all apart confirmed that was how it's wired and sent me on my way. They were told the wiring diagrams in the manuals were correct, but that some of the harnesses themselves were wired wrong by the company that makes them.
Not sure what to think.....
Quote from: slowrider on October 10, 2008, 03:58:24 PM
Sooo...life got busy and I did not get a chance to mess with my coil wires yet, so I decided to take advantage of a warm October day in upstate NY and have my dealer take a look at it... and now I'm confused.
According to the dealer, his notes said the brown wire is to be by the clip...per the owner's manual wiring diagram...and opposite of what some of you have been told and found by your dealers. He tore it all apart confirmed that was how it's wired and sent me on my way. They were told the wiring diagrams in the manuals were correct, but that some of the harnesses themselves were wired wrong by the company that makes them.
Not sure what to think.....
that kind of makes sense. it's like the wires were right but the ends got swapped. either way, i wish their was a firm fix cause there are several people with 696s out there taht probably dont know about this or a dealer didnt fix it right. i think someone on the board has a bike that's running too hot, but seems his wiring is right but who knows, hot running is one of the biggest telltale signs of the problem.
Anybody in the Boston area that had a local dealer diagnose and solve the problem? I don't want to go somewhere where they've never heard of the issue. I'm feeling some rough starts, and what could be described as 'surging' at low RPM (2500 - 3500). I'm NOT experiencing the overheating issue, although that may just be that I've only been riding it since it started getting cold (sub-65 degrees.) Any specifics such as the name of the mechanic who worked on the problem at a specific dealership would also be helpful.
Thanks.
~T
Quote from: jandie on September 14, 2008, 12:43:37 AM
Just found this, maybe it's helpful.
http://up.sur-la-toile.com/ihpS (http://up.sur-la-toile.com/ihpS)
ps. my O looked correct, couldn't tell my V one (it's covered with plastic materials even though I can see the label). Pics?
thx
Thanks Jandie,
I went to my dealer for the 600 mile thing, asked SPECIFICALLY for them to check the coil issue. They said that it was fine. Saw your post and decided to check it myself after following your link. It was in fact wired backwards. Since I wanted to take the emmissions bit off anyway, I fixed that one, took the tank off and changed the V coil as well. It took me about an hour (why are there 200 bolts involved in taking the tank off?!) Swapping the wires alone took all of 5 minutes each.
Anyway, I just rode it for about an hour...
the most notable difference is low RPM stuff... more consistent power, no surging, quicker throttle response
the powerband seems to transition in as opposed to kicking in
I think the engine sounds more stable at all RPMs
something is different about downshifting... when I disengage the clutch, it seems to sound/feel different, but I can't put my finger on exactly what.
puttering around in traffic is a lot easier without the surging thing
overall, the bike seems less twitchy and nervous.
Oh, and also, the bike started on the first try (which rarely happens... but it's 65 today, and I'm sort of used to how it starts when it's colder.)
How this error made it past Ducati quality control I will never know, but thanks to everybody for the information.
~T
Maybe there is no quality control, thats what I figure anyway.
Quote from: Takster on October 25, 2008, 02:09:28 PM
How this error made it past Ducati quality control I will never know, but thanks to everybody for the information.
A better question would be, are you going to let the place that said that your coils were wired correctly ever touch your bike again? Quality control at the factory be damned, what about the mechanic?
Quote from: yotogi on October 25, 2008, 05:31:19 PM
A better question would be, are you going to let the place that said that your coils were wired correctly ever touch your bike again? Quality control at the factory be damned, what about the mechanic?
IMO, both are inexcusable. If this were an issue on a car, there would be a service bulletin and potentially a recall. In either case, it'd be the first thing checked when it went in for it's first scheduled maintenance.
I probably won't be going back to that dealer again... even though it's the only one I can get to with public transportation from my place. It's probably for the best seeing that I feel like a total asshole riding the subway with a helmet and full leathers.
I guess if you want to have something done right, you have to do it yourself.
So the Brown/redish wire goes to the number 2 slot right?! So when checking for the coils, its a simple check with the brownish wire...
Looks pretty straight forward.
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Quote from: bulldogs2k on October 26, 2008, 06:23:41 PM
So the Brown/redish wire goes to the number 2 slot right?! So when checking for the coils, its a simple check with the brownish wire...
Looks pretty straight forward.
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The brown wire with the white stripe should be in the slot further away from the clip. If it's on the side closer to the clip, you've got to switch them.
The V coil is a PITA to get to.
Good luck.
~T
Had mine done at the 600 mile service, made a big difference. Mine had all the usual symptoms except the overheating. Put a 14 tooth sprocket on, which made the bike more rideable, but did not fix the problem. This is my first Ducati and I wasn't sure if this is the way they ran at low RPM or if there was a problem. Dealer said he knew nothing about the problem but I insisted he check it out anyways. Sure enough they were reversed. Runs much better, better power delivery from as low as 2500 RPM and better fuel economy. Thanks everyone here for making me aware of the problem.
I just got my 696 and when I heard about the coil issue I emailed DNA. They verified in a matter of hours that my bike was not affected by it. Outstanding service from them!
Quote from: Raux on September 05, 2008, 10:01:44 PM
well apparently there are some issues with the manuals.
we found that out in the HID topic. the manual says two H7 bulbs, but it has one H7 and one H1 on the bike.
Find a reputable dealer that knows what it is doing. and talk to them. Advanced Motorsports in Alvaredo is one that i know of. Ducati Oklahoma fixed mine so they know the correct way for sure.
hey i just saw this post! i'm in okc! i hate that damn dealer (except for steve in service) but i need to take my bike by to see about this "coil issue" the guy i sold my pipes to said my bike was running very rich and that is common to a bike that has a coil issue...
Quote from: mrplease on January 16, 2009, 10:53:50 PM
hey i just saw this post! i'm in okc! i hate that damn dealer (except for steve in service) but i need to take my bike by to see about this "coil issue" the guy i sold my pipes to said my bike was running very rich and that is common to a bike that has a coil issue...
steve used to be on here a lot. but not so much now. i think he has an 1098 now. he's shadowchaser if you do a search.
the parts guy, paul i think, is great too. he really helped me when i bought my 14t sprocket. we weren't certain at first which to put on because apparently there was an question about the type of notch or something... he gave me both to go home and said bring back the wrong one when you are done! that's service.
i do know the owners are kinda ...well to be nice... not cool. i waited for my bike at the 600mi service when i had the sprocket (chickened out doing it myself), coils and normal service done. the owners just don't impress me. apparently though they are sinking some serious money for a new dealership. i haven't been there since august so they may already be there.
by the way, the coil issue can be a serious thing. my bike nearly overheated and i had to stop SEVERAL times on the way to OKC from Lawton. standing on the side of the highway next to a brand new ducati with trucks flying by at 70+mph... not very comfortable.