Ack,
I hate doing this. I had to let a employee go today, it sucks. He deserved it, but still having to listen to him try and dig his way out of the hole he put himself in depresses me.
I think a person would have to really screw up for me to actually feel good about firing him. Sucks for you, mang. :P
Ok, it sucks, but what did he do? Details man, details...
firing someone sucks no matter what, IF you are a good manager.
which you clearly are...
QuoteOk, it sucks, but what did he do? Details man, details...
Mainly it was attendance issues, we have a rule that if you are 15 min late you don't come in for the day. The only exceptions are if you clear it a week or so in advance. He would constantly call in saying he would be late because he had to take his girlfriends son to work.... this would have been fine, if there was a schedule, but it was all random. Plus there was work performance issues.
But the last straw was a anyomous call (from another employee) let me know that his work truck was parked outside his house, a half hour after starting time (basically, he came in, got his truck and went home.) I drove out, and sat down the street with a camera and took a picture every half hour, for nearly two hours, before he left and went to the field. My boss, called him on it, and he said he was out in the field since 7am (when I pulled up) We pulled him in and gave him a week suspension and a final warning... after he left I took a look at his scanner (used on a route to time stamp jobs) and it was showing work done....
basically he had copys of barcodes, and was using it to fake being in the field..... So I had to go check on the work that had been "done"..... and none of it was, for the past two weeks.
IM just waiting for his final check (takes a day or so)
Wow man. I don't see how he can dig himself out of that one...
I feel bad for you, not him.
I've had to fire two in the past 8 weeks. One for screwing up a job, and one for attendance/job quality.
I swear I feel as bad as they do.
I agree it sicks.
I had to fire someone for stealing, after that I really did not want to have anything to do with managing others.
To make matters worse.... due to the state budget... er or lack there of, I cannot replace him. Which means I get crap. [roll]
I thought it might have been for inappropriate contact with monstergf. Oh wait, that's why I can never work for you. [cheeky]
sac
/loves me some old humor from TOB
//how you guys been?
Quote from: SacDuc on August 27, 2008, 03:00:38 PM
I thought it might have been for inappropriate contact with monstergf. Oh wait, that's why I can never work for you. [cheeky]
sac
/loves me some old humor from TOB
//how you guys been?
Yeah the lawsuit from you for her kicking your ass would be to expensive [laugh]
weve been good, you should make it over for a race party some time.
Quote from: TiAvenger on August 27, 2008, 03:03:48 PM
Yeah the lawsuit from you for her kicking your ass would be to expensive [laugh]
weve been good, you should make it over for a race party some time.
Lawsuit? Dude, I'd pay extra for that! [laugh]
As for the race party, on government forms I check the box that says "White/Non-Hispanic." Is their an opening for one of those at your race parties?
sac
seriously have you LOOKED at I&D?
they're the pastiest best friends a brotha could have!
[cheeky]
Quote from: TiAvenger on August 27, 2008, 01:55:02 PM
Mainly it was attendance issues, we have a rule that if you are 15 min late you don't come in for the day. The only exceptions are if you clear it a week or so in advance. He would constantly call in saying he would be late because he had to take his girlfriends son to work.... this would have been fine, if there was a schedule, but it was all random. Plus there was work performance issues.
But the last straw was a anyomous call (from another employee) let me know that his work truck was parked outside his house, a half hour after starting time (basically, he came in, got his truck and went home.) I drove out, and sat down the street with a camera and took a picture every half hour, for nearly two hours, before he left and went to the field. My boss, called him on it, and he said he was out in the field since 7am (when I pulled up) We pulled him in and gave him a week suspension and a final warning... after he left I took a look at his scanner (used on a route to time stamp jobs) and it was showing work done....
basically he had copys of barcodes, and was using it to fake being in the field..... So I had to go check on the work that had been "done"..... and none of it was, for the past two weeks.
IM just waiting for his final check (takes a day or so)
the guy was lying about work completed, defrauding his employer (for how long??) and the "main" issue was attendance??
huh??
Quote from: ducatizzzz on August 27, 2008, 04:31:15 PM
the guy was lying about work completed, defrauding his employer (for how long??) and the "main" issue was attendance??
huh??
welcome to state employment.... we had to fire him under misusing state vehicles to avoid a lawsuit.
its almost impossible to get fired from the state
I read once that if you're an hour late for work, then you probably have a good excuse. 15 minutes late and it's just poor planning and lack of effort. It's too bad, but maybe now he'll use this as motivation to do better on his ext job.
Dont feel bad, shitcan that friggin thief!
ive done management at two different jobs, and i loved it. once i was the "standing" manager at a journeys shoe store in the mall because our store manager left and we didnt have a assistant so i just took over and they recognized me for it and gave me the raise. we had one girl that i would schedule whenever was best for her (like i did with everyone) and she never could seem to come in. she had another job in the mall and would say "i cant come in today" and go work the other job. we tried to fire her and the upper management called and asked me why and said i couldnt fire her. i wanted her gone so bad but i couldnt do anything about it. after i got fired (long story) she ended up managing the store and then moving to a bigger store in dallas.
i never got to fire anyone at the other job no matter how bad they needed it.
Yeah that dude was stealing payroll for two weeks and you felt bad? He actively sought ways to fool you into thinking he was doing his work and you still felt bad? It's one thing to be lazy or even to lack the integrity to work for your pay, but this guy worked at decieving you. >:( I'd say buh-bye [coffee]
Hard to separate that people you like can do shitty things.
He didn't want to work. You set him free to find another avocation where he'd be happier....
I've fired 3 people. All 3 times it sucked. One was a friend that worked for me when I had my first business. Technically, he was laid off as we didn't have enough work to keep him anymore. We're still friends.
2nd one was just plain lazy and didn't do his job. Part of the job involved breaking down empty plant displays at national home improvement store garden centers, so they could be picked up and re-used. He wasn't doing his, he just kept letting them build up behind the store. I was tied up in another state at the time and he was sending his work reports as complete. The store manager (who never bothered to call anyone about it) finally had enough and personally broke down and hauled about 75 of them to the dump in his pickup truck. Cost our company almost $26K to replace them, as they belonged to a 3rd party. After 2 weeks of trying to make contact, I had to leave him a "you're fired" voicemail on his cell phone. Not the best way to fire someone, but it worked.
I fired my dad in anger, about 2 years ago. I let him come back after a week and much intervention/mediation by the family. You guessed it, I'm an asshole.
You fired your dad?
[laugh] [clap]
Quote from: SacDuc on August 27, 2008, 07:55:24 PM
You fired your dad?
We have a relationship like the Teutul's from OCC, except the roles are reversed. I'm the boss at our company....and the resident angry screaming douchebag.
Long story short, I had endured enough of his bullshit that day and told him so. Things escalated from there and after about 20 minutes of arguing, he got in my face and tried to get me to hit him. I'm not that guy, so he drug Mom into the conversation and started talking shit on her to try and get me even madder. I told him to pack his shit up and GTFO.
I've fired four people. They deserved it, it didn't bother me in the slightest.
Hey Ian,
I know what well make you feel better. Go grill yerself a steak. [thumbsup]
i agree with this 100%
Quote from: WannaDucBad on August 27, 2008, 06:07:15 PM
Yeah that dude was stealing payroll for two weeks and you felt bad? He actively sought ways to fool you into thinking he was doing his work and you still felt bad? It's one thing to be lazy or even to lack the integrity to work for your pay, but this guy worked at decieving you. >:( I'd say buh-bye [coffee]
a shame i don't get to fire people, if i did, someone i work with would have been fired a year ago >:(
I had to fire a friend I hired 6 months ago to do accounts receivable and general office type work. Warned her 3-4 times about sloppy work and showing up 15-30 minutes late regularly. Once she started causing us to lose a couple customers I had to get rid of her. Pretty much sucked though.
One co-worker was fired a couple of years ago after many people complained about his gross incompetence...it was my complaint that was the final straw. :-\
He then tried to sue the company for wrongful termination, claiming racial discrimination [roll]. I had to make a couple of statements and get interviewed, but it got dismissed.
Quote from: Timmy Tucker on August 27, 2008, 07:47:41 PM
I fired my dad in anger, about 2 years ago. I let him come back after a week and much intervention/mediation by the family. You guessed it, I'm an asshole.
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I fired my son. We had to transport trim from one site to another. I told him to put the trim on the roof rack of the van, then we drove to the site. We're almost there, and I had to stop suddenly. The trim flew everywhere.
I asked him why he didn't tie it down and he said " I'm just not a tie-down kinda guy"
I told him he wasn't an employed kinda guy either, GTFO!
At my old firm, one of the interns was fired after he was busted masturbating in one of the partner's office.
She (the partner) was quite a hottie. No one is clear what he was looking at on her PC tho. Having his drawers around his ankles and gripping his dick was enough.
Quote from: Bun-bun on August 29, 2008, 05:18:02 PM
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We had to transport trim from one site to another.
You a finish carpenter? That's what I do.
Quote from: Bun-bun on August 29, 2008, 05:18:02 PM
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I asked him why he didn't tie it down and he said " I'm just not a tie-down kinda guy"
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I used to be like that, still am sometimes. I'm usually in too much of a hurry. "Shit, that ain't going anywhere"... must come out of my mouth about 50 times a day. Dad just rolls his eyes, grabs some rope and ignores my pregnant doging about being in a hurry.
I worked at a shit job for a while where they fired a guy for taking a disposable paper cup from the cafeteria without paying ten cents for it. They had BMW company cars for the VPs, but considered a cup "theft".
I was a trim carpenter for years as well. Don't do it for a living antmore but I build some incredible bookcases for my folks last year. [thumbsup]
Quote from: Timmy Tucker on August 29, 2008, 09:13:07 PM
You a finish carpenter? That's what I do.
Quote from: WannaDucBad on August 31, 2008, 01:37:38 AM
I was a trim carpenter for years as well. Don't do it for a living antmore but I build some incredible bookcases for my folks last year. [thumbsup]
Woodworkers in da house! [thumbsup]
Quote from: rgramjet on August 31, 2008, 07:54:09 AM
Woodworkers in da house! [thumbsup]
my ex was an excellent woodworker
Quote from: ducatizzzz on August 31, 2008, 12:50:52 PM
my ex was an excellent woodworker
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Yeah, I bet she was!
Was she rough or just about the trim? :-)
Quote from: rgramjet on August 31, 2008, 01:25:43 PM
Was she rough or just about the trim? :-)
[laugh] [laugh]