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Title: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on August 29, 2008, 02:49:41 PM http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33916
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080829d6.htm Holy crap, batman. :o Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 03:05:46 PM daryl and i have been talkin' about this offline.
this whole thing doesn't make sense to me. for starters, each guy has their own engine builder, but you'd expect them to be pulling from the same parts bin. now it seems that they pulled the side covers off each of the three yosh bikes and then decided that tommy and mat's were different enough to have 'em drop the motor at tech. the necessary distribution of questionable parts just doesn't make sense to me. tommy and mat? ben has the only legal bike? [roll] now, i've heard some of the talk that suzuki uses different OEM suppliers, so it's possible that the crank, a part that hasn't changed in 5 years or so, was "as homologated" but (allegedly) looked different due to sourcing. i've seen corroboration from respected engine builders that, indeed, some cranks look different. but, on top of all that, why would yosh cheat to beat their own team? it makes no sense. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on August 29, 2008, 03:13:21 PM Even under the (to me, ludicrous) assumption that Yosh was cheating at VIR, surely they're smart enough to bring the bikes to the next race in totally legal condition.
Does Yosh build the engines here in the states, or do they come from the homeland in a box? Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 03:20:01 PM Even under the (to me, ludicrous) assumption that Yosh was cheating at VIR, surely they're smart enough to bring the bikes to the next race in totally legal condition. or... they think they're completely legal so why change anything for the next round? Does Yosh build the engines here in the states, or do they come from the homeland in a box? they're built in-house in the states. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: ducpainter on August 29, 2008, 03:21:46 PM daryl and i have been talkin' about this offline. having worked in manufacturing...this whole thing doesn't make sense to me. for starters, each guy has their own engine builder, but you'd expect them to be pulling from the same parts bin. now it seems that they pulled the side covers off each of the three yosh bikes and then decided that tommy and mat's were different enough to have 'em drop the motor at tech. the necessary distribution of questionable parts just doesn't make sense to me. tommy and mat? ben has the only legal bike? [roll] now, i've heard some of the talk that suzuki uses different OEM suppliers, so it's possible that the crank, a part that hasn't changed in 5 years or so, was "as homologated" but (allegedly) looked different due to sourcing. i've seen corroboration from respected engine builders that, indeed, some cranks look different. but, on top of all that, why would yosh cheat to beat their own team? it makes no sense. there are blueprints. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: darylbowden on August 29, 2008, 03:34:17 PM or... they think they're completely legal so why change anything for the next round? or... they knew they'd get torn down at RA and it would look awful suspicious if they had a totally different crank in there than the one they are appealing as "legal." Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 03:36:10 PM having worked in manufacturing... there are blueprints. ..and different methods of manufacture that could produce a functionally identical, yet visually different (read: color) part. again, engine builders have corroborated visually different parts on various, random store-bought street-bikes. of course, all of this just guessing since nobody has really revealed what the issue with the crank was. from the news today, it appears that the ama/dmg is still in the process if detailing exactly what their issues are and hasn't even presented that to yosh, yet. either way, the lack of transparency is troubling. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 03:37:36 PM or... they knew they'd get torn down at RA and it would look awful suspicious if they had a totally different crank in there than the one they are appealing as "legal." yup... i can see that coloring their "we were legal all along" position... "if you were legal the whole time, why did you show up with different parts at ra?" Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on August 29, 2008, 03:39:33 PM they're built in-house in the states. OK. or... they think they're completely legal so why change anything for the next round? That's what's got me puzzled, Yosh knows what cranks were in there last time, and knows what the sample cranks look like.... why would they possibly show up with cranks that don't look like the samples? having worked in manufacturing... there are blueprints. I've seen a few Japanese blueprints, long ago and at Yamaha, not Suzuki, but.... They're quite specific on dimensions, and they are very near 'net', so not a lot of metal gets machined off. AFAIK, these cranks are forged, so there may be some slight differences in surface finish and fillet radii and such in the unmachined areas, if there's several different vendors making the cranks. Forging dies do 'wear' a bit over their life, so the first crank won't look *exactly* the same as the 5000th crank. In any case, it's a F'n mess. Still looks like 'payback' to me. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: ducpainter on August 29, 2008, 03:42:15 PM so what did Yosh do to piss off DMG?\
...not participate in Nasbike? Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 03:42:43 PM looks like ben's not completely off the hook:
http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12862 The engines in the Suzuki GSX-R1000’s of second fastest Mat Mladin and third fastest Tommy Hayden were stripped completely and the crankshafts taken away by AMA officials. The engine in Ben Spies’ machine wasn’t torn down. Instead the engine was sealed and Spies will race that machine in tomorrow’s 17th round of the AMA Superbike Championship. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 03:44:08 PM so what did Yosh do to piss off DMG?\ ...not participate in Nasbike? from the same article above: That the machines were torn down at all was unprecedented. No one at the track could ever remember a machine being torn down to the crankshaft after qualifying, let alone Friday provisional qualifying. To more than one observer it seemed like the Rockstar Makita Suzuki team was being targeted by race officials. Mladin has been vocal about his displeasure with the proposed path of the DMG-run AMA Superbike Championship, as has American Suzuki vice president Mel Harris. When the issue about Suzuki being targeted was first raised after VIR, DMG director of competition Colin Fraser denied it. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: ducpainter on August 29, 2008, 04:00:09 PM from the same article above: ...so that's a yes? ;)That the machines were torn down at all was unprecedented. No one at the track could ever remember a machine being torn down to the crankshaft after qualifying, let alone Friday provisional qualifying. To more than one observer it seemed like the Rockstar Makita Suzuki team was being targeted by race officials. Mladin has been vocal about his displeasure with the proposed path of the DMG-run AMA Superbike Championship, as has American Suzuki vice president Mel Harris. When the issue about Suzuki being targeted was first raised after VIR, DMG director of competition Colin Fraser denied it. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 04:03:35 PM looks like the rrw article has been updated w/ pics:
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33916 Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: darylbowden on August 29, 2008, 04:36:48 PM ruh-roh
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33920 Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 04:41:21 PM ruh-roh http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33920 not that big of a ruh-roh, though, since final qualy is tomorrow. i suppose if they really wasn't to do some damage they coulda waited until final qualy to tear 'em down. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on August 29, 2008, 04:47:08 PM "Both riders will have the opportunity to participate and post lap times during the Saturday morning qualifying session, then have their bikes torn down and the crankshafts deemed non-homologated and thus illegal."
;D Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: ducpainter on August 29, 2008, 04:49:17 PM ruh-roh Is this the polytics board? [laugh]http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33920 Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 29, 2008, 04:49:25 PM haha!
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: darylbowden on August 29, 2008, 04:52:27 PM not that big of a ruh-roh, though, since final qualy is tomorrow. i suppose if they really wasn't to do some damage they coulda waited until final qualy to tear 'em down. I was asking Derby offline - I wonder if DMG will let Yosh borrow some of the myriad "legal" crankshafts they have in stock for tomorrow's qualy and race? Or are they all gonna have to borrow Ben's spares? Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on August 29, 2008, 04:58:33 PM <anonymous engine builder looking at RRW pictures in pit area at RA>
"OHhhhh.....F me...... my cranks look just like that, and I took 'em out of a Suzuki box." Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: tufty on August 29, 2008, 05:43:07 PM My conspiracy theory is that DMG is working very hard to discredit AMA superbike in order to gain credence for their new series...
Jes sayin' ;D Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 30, 2008, 08:20:59 AM http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080830b17.htm
...following Mladin's disqualification it is said that Spies' crewchief, veteran wrench and tactician Tom Houseworth, had the crankshaft from a GSX-R1000 streetbike motor pulled from its bearings and installed in Spies' Atlanta motor, insuring that it would be legal. doesn't seem to have slowed him down at all: Combined Qualifying Results: 1. Ben Spies (Suz GSX-R1000), Dunlop, 1:23.421 2. Mat Mladin (Suz GSX-R1000), Dunlop, 1:23.801 3. Tommy Hayden (Suz GSX-R1000), Dunlop, 1:24.404 4. Jason DiSalvo (Yam YZF-R1), Dunlop, 1:24.462 5. Eric Bostrom (Yam YZF-R1), Dunlop, 1:24.562 6. Jamie Hacking (Kaw ZX-10R), Dunlop, 1:24.701 7. Aaron Yates (Suz GSX-R1000), Dunlop, 1:24.911 8. Roger Hayden (Kaw ZX-10R), Dunlop, 1:25.392 9. Miguel Duhamel (Hon CBR1000RR), Dunlop, 1:25.652 10. Neil Hodgson (Hon CBR1000RR), Dunlop, 1:25.671 Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on August 30, 2008, 08:32:14 AM Goes to show that the illegal crank is slower than the legal one. :-X
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: ducpainter on August 30, 2008, 08:48:11 AM http://superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080830b17.htm Just curious as to what was wrong with the legal crankshaft that came out....following Mladin's disqualification it is said that Spies' crewchief, veteran wrench and tactician Tom Houseworth, had the crankshaft from a GSX-R1000 streetbike motor pulled from its bearings and installed in Spies' Atlanta motor, insuring that it would be legal. doesn't seem to have slowed him down at all: Combined Qualifying Results: 1. Ben Spies (Suz GSX-R1000), Dunlop, 1:23.421 2. Mat Mladin (Suz GSX-R1000), Dunlop, 1:23.801 3. Tommy Hayden (Suz GSX-R1000), Dunlop, 1:24.404 4. Jason DiSalvo (Yam YZF-R1), Dunlop, 1:24.462 5. Eric Bostrom (Yam YZF-R1), Dunlop, 1:24.562 6. Jamie Hacking (Kaw ZX-10R), Dunlop, 1:24.701 7. Aaron Yates (Suz GSX-R1000), Dunlop, 1:24.911 8. Roger Hayden (Kaw ZX-10R), Dunlop, 1:25.392 9. Miguel Duhamel (Hon CBR1000RR), Dunlop, 1:25.652 10. Neil Hodgson (Hon CBR1000RR), Dunlop, 1:25.671 Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on August 30, 2008, 09:33:21 AM Just curious as to what was wrong with the legal crankshaft that came out. ...wrong color. i'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but ask me and this is nothing but edmondson being pissed off at mel harris for being the chief guy to threaten his multi-million dollar investment in AMA racing. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: ducpainter on August 30, 2008, 10:09:20 AM ...wrong color. That was actually sarcastic....i'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but ask me and this is nothing but edmondson being pissed off at mel harris for being the chief guy to threaten his multi-million dollar investment in AMA racing. and I agree. Kinda stupid to put that kind of money up and not play nice with the major players in the sport. This retribution won't warm the hearts of the factories. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: darylbowden on August 30, 2008, 10:26:17 AM ...wrong color. i'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but ask me and this is nothing but edmondson being pissed off at mel harris for being the chief guy to threaten his multi-million dollar investment in AMA racing. FTR, certain treatments can change the color of the crank (similar to hayes, but not as obvious) and would explain why they needed time to see if it was simply a supplier variance or if something more dastardly was going down. I happen to be one of the few who believes that this isn't DMG trying to retaliate. I know Jim Rashid (well, kinda) and that dude is 1) honest as anyone in the business (moreso than Yosh, I can guarantee you that) and 2) a VERY smart and talented mechanic. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on August 30, 2008, 10:49:58 AM AMA speaks:
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33935 Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 30, 2008, 12:35:35 PM I happen to be one of the few who believes that this isn't DMG trying to retaliate. I know Jim Rashid (well, kinda) and that dude is 1) honest as anyone in the business (moreso than Yosh, I can guarantee you that) and 2) a VERY smart and talented mechanic. ...but he also allegedly has had a dislike for factory teams. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on August 30, 2008, 01:11:51 PM AMA speaks: http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33935 well that makes it a bit more black and white. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on August 30, 2008, 01:14:55 PM http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080830h7.htm
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on August 30, 2008, 01:21:51 PM http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Aug/080830h7.htm (http://www.reellifewisdom.com/files/images/braveheart.bmp) Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on August 30, 2008, 02:09:54 PM [laugh]
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: darylbowden on August 30, 2008, 02:42:35 PM They were caught cheating. It's been spelled out for everyone to see. Mladin can say whatever he wants to try and get a rise out of people, but if he wants to be mad at anyone, he needs to get in Don Sakakura's face for allowing his bike to race with a cheater crank.
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Capo on August 30, 2008, 04:39:04 PM What would be the competative advantage of these (ilegal) cranks?
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: darylbowden on August 30, 2008, 07:59:00 PM What would be the competative advantage of these (ilegal) cranks? Likely longer durability at higher RPMs. It's kinda hard to tell exactly what advantage it provides, but it doesn't matter. Yosh was caught cheating. Every other Suzuki on the grid had a legit, homologated crank, Yosh didn't. Whether that crank provides a big advantage doesn't matter, they cheated (and they KNOW the rules) and they get caught. While it's shitty timing for this to go down, I'm glad it happened. People seem to want to give a free pass to Yoshimura 'cause "they don't run that kind of program," but they do. They've been caught cheating before (BLATANTLY might I add) and they certainly bent the rules on TC as far as the rulebook could handle (and no other factories went down that road - most likely because they KNEW it was violating at least the spirit of the rule), so I don't know why everyone is so shocked to think they might do it again. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Capo on August 31, 2008, 01:06:22 AM I totaly agree with you Daryl, rules are rules, they obviusly thought that they could get away with it given the history of bottom ends not being stripped. They are busted now must pay the price.
I think that the AMA has (is) handled this in a very professional manner. If you have rules then they have to be enforced. I remeber (many) years ago some NASCAR teams were dipping the bodies in acid to remove metal and thus weight. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 05, 2008, 01:31:36 PM http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34041
ya know, one could argue this is like asking the chinese to prove how old their gymnasts are. ;D Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 05, 2008, 02:10:51 PM wow... i bet they didn't even bother reading the appeal:
http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12914 Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Spidey on September 05, 2008, 03:19:33 PM Thank God! Maybe this means I don't have to keep hearing about people's cranks. It makes feel all weird down there. :-\
Sucks that Laguna is a parade lap, 'specially after Race 1 at Mattlanta. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on September 05, 2008, 04:08:35 PM wow... i bet they didn't even bother reading the appeal: http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12914 none of this is political. uh huh. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 05, 2008, 04:33:07 PM http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34043
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on September 05, 2008, 04:36:45 PM 'ol ben is gonna be real glad to be outta here...
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 05, 2008, 04:43:57 PM 'ol ben is gonna be real glad to be outta here... this makes indy motogp a whole different game. [evil] Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Spidey on September 05, 2008, 05:45:03 PM this makes indy motogp a whole different game. [evil] You think he went less hard at his last GP stint b/c he still had the AMA season to run? Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 05, 2008, 06:13:34 PM You think he went less hard at his last GP stint b/c he still had the AMA season to run? not necessarily, but i also don't think that laguna motogp was "best of ben." he was feeling horrible all weekend and ended up in the hospital that monday, eventually getting his appendix removed. i do think that having the title wrapped up before indy, and not having to be overly concerned with racing laguna again the following weekend to cinch up the championship, will pretty much let him hang it all out. other things to ponder: rizla signed capi and the mole today and ben doesn't have to be nice to his gsv-r anymore. he's also got more laps at indy than anybody else racing the premier class. this is going to be a very interesting race. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Spidey on September 05, 2008, 06:31:55 PM other things to ponder: rizla signed capi and the mole today and ben doesn't have to be nice to his gsv-r anymore. he's also got more laps at indy than anybody else racing the premier class. Clear sumptin' up for me, if ya would. I was under the impression that Ben was *signed* for Suzuki in '09 with some appearances in '08. Wasn't that part of the deal they announced in late '07? Or was that more like "this is the plan for Ben, but it ain't on paper." Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 05, 2008, 07:26:41 PM Clear sumptin' up for me, if ya would. I was under the impression that Ben was *signed* for Suzuki in '09 with some appearances in '08. Wasn't that part of the deal they announced in late '07? Or was that more like "this is the plan for Ben, but it ain't on paper." i think everybody was under that impression. there was a lot of talk about a possible 3rd bike (reportedly with schwantz) and "if there was a seat"... somewhat disappointing that he won't be on a suzuki, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. [evil] Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 05, 2008, 07:30:38 PM somebody isn't happy:
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34046 A spokesperson for Yoshimura Racing stated that the decision stunned everyone, and team officials were bewildered as to why the AMA would make such an onerous request for evidence on short notice and then refuse to consider any of it. "It makes us question the integrity behind the enforcement of the rules and suggests that there was never an intention to assemble an appeal board to conduct an objective and impartial hearing. From all appearances, the AMA had clearly made its decision well before 5:00 p.m. The 'deadline' was obviously a ruse to create the impression of fairness." Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on September 06, 2008, 01:54:44 AM not necessarily a bad thing. [evil] ...hellllooo JiR.. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on September 09, 2008, 03:15:54 PM AMA Statement On Mat Mladin's DQ
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080909yq.htm Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Spidey on September 09, 2008, 03:27:09 PM I still don't get Yosh's response. They're basically saying "yuh-huh, it's stock" despite all the evidence to the contrary. There must be some technical subtlety I'm missing. Sucks that MM got DQ'd, but demz da rulz. This one doesn't even seem to be a close call unless I've missed some critical information.
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on September 09, 2008, 03:33:32 PM seems like Yosh was hoping that "this is also the homologated part. really!" was somehow going to change their minds. and not that they don't already have a history of doing such things, but you have to wonder: why? the real crank sure as hell didn't slow down Spies any @ RA.
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on September 12, 2008, 02:17:52 PM yosh: http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34164
edmondson: http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34166 “Here’s the bottom line to this thing: They gave us [homologated] a part in accordance with the rules that represented the part that was legally used. The part that came out of the [Mladin’s] motorcycle did not match that part. “They tried to convince us that another vendor made that part. And I think that’s right. I think it’s the vendor that makes [racing] kit cranks, not the vendor that makes production cranks, because in the entire Suzuki nation of motorcycles only three have ever had cranks like that, that we are aware of. “Now the fact is they got cheating. This was not a rules violation alone. This was cheating. In my opinion, not all rules violations are cheating. Some times people make a mistake. This was cheating. Someone somewhere made a conscious decision to put a crank in those racebikes that did not match the sample they sent us. “Now I’m tired of this. The answer when asked ‘what’s it going to take to make this go away’ was going to be ‘stand up like a man, admit you were caught and we’ll move on down the road.’ They don’t seem able to do that, and I am fed up with us being preached to about our integrity and our ability to enforce the rules fairly by people who have been caught blatantly cheating with illegal parts. “All this other bullshit about whether it helped the performance and stuff is secondary. The part didn’t match the sample, period. “And nobody’s accused Mat Mladin of anything. All he does is ride the motorcycle. If Mladin’s got an issue with anybody he ought to be looking at his teammates and asking them the hard questions and leave us alone.” Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 29, 2008, 08:21:50 AM some interesting stuff here:
http://www.mcnews.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=16981 pd = peter doyle, mat's crew chief. flood gates open at the bottom of page 3. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on September 29, 2008, 08:46:43 AM "Team finds out later new head tech inspector has and still operates a race tuning business preparing race bikes for customers."
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Spidey on September 29, 2008, 08:50:05 AM some interesting stuff here: Indeed. So they have a stack of 50 perfect crankshafts they got in 2006? Interesting . . . Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Jester on September 29, 2008, 08:59:21 AM great stuff in that link Derby [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: EvilSteve on September 29, 2008, 10:06:04 AM I would have thought that someone with Edmondson's experience in professional sport that they'd do a better job of make the beast with two backsing a team over. You know, less obvious. Apparently not.
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on September 29, 2008, 10:13:42 AM "Team finds out later new head tech inspector has and still operates a race tuning business preparing race bikes for customers." If that's true, that's just unmake the beast with two backsingbelievable. >:( Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 29, 2008, 10:17:20 AM If that's true, that's just unmake the beast with two backsingbelievable. >:( it's true: http://www.4and6.com/ i thought i mentioned this at the beginning of the season when we were talking about how the new tech inspector wasn't a fan of the factory teams due to his experiences racing against them. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Speeddog on September 29, 2008, 10:33:21 AM I faintly recall you saying that, but I guess I assumed that Rashid wasn't *still* in the business of doing race bikes.
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: tufty on September 29, 2008, 10:41:23 AM Christ! what a bloody catastrophe.
What sticks in my craw is that they don't even have the balls to treat the whole team equally. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: EvilSteve on September 30, 2008, 05:09:13 AM http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080928h.htm
Quote Mladin: There's Been Some Funny Business by dean adams Sunday, September 28, 2008 It's pretty clear that being labeled a cheater is not something Mat Mladin takes lying down. In the post-race press conference at Laguna Seca on Sunday, the race winner and six-time Superbike champ made repeated references to "some funny business" on behalf of DMG regarding his Virginia disqualifications. Mladin said he has hope for the future that what evolves for the 2009 series will be a "fair championship". Mladin said that no matter what other members of his team have said, that all three of the Suzukis were the same in terms of equipment that day at Virginia. Asked whether he thinks he will be racing in America next year, Mladin said he had no idea. Asked if he hopes to be riding next year in America, Mladin said that he does. Mladin's teammate, Ben Spies, agreed, infering that the disqualification of his teammate wasn't just. Mladin said that he is optimistic about the series developing into what he views as a good rules and class package for 2009. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: derby on September 30, 2008, 02:15:31 PM more words:
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=34489 Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Grampa on September 30, 2008, 02:19:31 PM cranks are like snowflakes
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: darylbowden on September 30, 2008, 04:06:53 PM In the end, even if what Peter Doyle says is 100% accurate, Yosh was still in the wrong. They submit parts for homologation each year for the new motorcycle. The part they submitted didn't match the part that was found in the bike (AT ALL!). End of story.
Did Mat maybe deserve a fine instead of a DQ? Maybe. Does he have a leg to stand on? Not really. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: gm2 on September 30, 2008, 04:28:58 PM Did Mat maybe deserve a fine instead of a DQ? Maybe. Does he have a leg to stand on? Not really. agreed. but he at least deserved a real hearing. and someone to actually look at the appeal. at all. Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: EvilSteve on October 01, 2008, 05:31:14 AM Normal variances not being taken into account and then selective enforcement using extreme punishments is BS. Not to mention the whole bullshit "appeal" process.
Title: Re: Yosh Suzukis in the dog house *again*..... Post by: Jester on October 01, 2008, 07:09:44 AM Quote They submit parts for homologation each year for the new motorcycle. The part they submitted didn't match the part that was found in the bike (AT ALL!). The cranks are still technically the same though. Even if they are from a batch two years back, if what PD says is true about the cranks being the same since 05', then regardless if they are cosmetically different, its still the same part. Its completely open for interpretation I suppose, but they probably could have won the appeal had it actually been read. It most likely would have resulted in a fine instead of a DQ. |