Here's a 2009 Suzuki that shares some traits with the Duc 696. Check out the trellis / subframe -- eerily familiar? [popcorn]
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/215070/images/SFV650.jpg)
More info here (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/september/22-28/sep2508-Official-picture-2009-Suzuki-Gladius/?R=EPI-103118)
gluteus
Thats way too similar to the new monsters...
SV already had the sub frame design before Ducati did
I think Ducati ripped off Suzuki
Quote from: bobspapa on September 25, 2008, 10:20:35 AM
gluteus
[laugh]
The 696/1100 looks WAY better then that one in my opinion. [beer]
the SV did not have a traditional front trellis like this. this is obviously meant to cut into the Ducati pie.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on September 25, 2008, 10:25:56 AM
SV already had the sub frame design before Ducati did
I think Ducati ripped off Suzuki
Here's the current SV650 for comparison purposes:
(http://www.suzukicycles.com/images/ProductImages/logo/500/SV650K8.jpg)
It's not a tubular trellis like the 696 or the new Gladius.
That's eerily similar ???
I think its kind of ugly, too rounded everywhere. I'd like to see other colors though. I bet it will be a very mod-able bike though.
what's "under the hood", btw? looks like a parallel twin?
No, V-Twin. The other cylinder is hiding under there.
The shape of the tank is very similar to the "classic" monster, actually. (Something I think would be benefit the "new" monster....)
Completely different from the 696... it's blue. [thumbsup]
Quote from: bluemoco v2.0 on September 25, 2008, 10:19:14 AM
Here's a 2009 Suzuki that shares some traits with the Duc 696. Check out the trellis / subframe -- eerily familiar? [popcorn]
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/215070/images/SFV650.jpg)
More info here (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/september/22-28/sep2508-Official-picture-2009-Suzuki-Gladius/?R=EPI-103118)
looks more like a Ducati
Can't wait to hear what The Ron thinks about it. [laugh]
Quote from: JohnnyDucati on September 25, 2008, 11:42:14 AM
Can't wait to hear what The Ron thinks about it. [laugh]
He's been banned.
Quote from: someguy on September 25, 2008, 11:45:02 AM
He's been banned.
This I didn't know (but I'm not surprised). thanks for the info.
It seems like the Japanese marques (or maybe just Suzuki) are having a "who can make the ugliest exhaust" competition. :-X
A rather feminine color combination on that example.
Quote from: pompetta on September 25, 2008, 12:50:07 PM
A rather feminine color combination on that example.
That is an interesting observation, because methinks it is intentional. Women are the fastest growing market segment of riders, and recent advertising reflects that. The new Yamaha FZ6R was just released, and despite its name it is actually a scaled down, cheaper version of the FZ6, with a cheaper frame and smaller tires, etc and a full fairing. Most of the ads I've seen of it so far have predominantly featured women riding it.
Not as sexy as a Ducati.
You may not like the 696...but you gotta admit it looks a shit ton better than that! [puke]
As a long time fan of the Suzuki SV if that thing replaces the SV it's a damn shame.
The original SV650 had a trellis looking aluminum frame. You always new what they were shooting for with the old one but this thing is a blatent rip-off of the monster. My question though is, who exactly is this bike for? Suzuki already makes a naked SV650 with the same engine and bargin bin hardware to keep the price down. Are they going to have two different newby friendly models that share an engine among other things?
And Gluteus... man I feel bad for the people who buy this thing, they will never hear the end of it. [clap]
Quote from: pennyrobber on September 25, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
Suzuki already makes a naked SV650 with the same engine and bargin bin hardware to keep the price down. Are they going to have two different newby friendly models that share an engine among other things?
There was talk of the SV going bye-bye. This may be it's replacement.
Quote from: mikeb on September 25, 2008, 01:17:34 PM
There was talk of the SV going bye-bye. This may be it's replacement.
I think you're right - I've also heard that the SV650 will be replaced soon. That V-twin is a sweet motor, though, and I wouldn't expect Suzuki to abandon it.
Quote from: pompetta on September 25, 2008, 12:50:07 PM
It seems like the Japanese marques (or maybe just Suzuki) are having a "who can make the ugliest exhaust" competition. :-X
Thought the 696 walked away with that award? ;)
Quote from: mikeb on September 25, 2008, 01:17:34 PM
There was talk of the SV going bye-bye. This may be it's replacement.
That would be sad... the SV is one of the most fun light and nimble track bikes... plus its cheap enough to drop a few times and keep putting new kibbles and bits back on it... however... if you pulled the lights off, the mirrors off, the rearsets, added an M4 exhaust... and full fairings... may not look that bad... for a track bike.
The Suzuki does look similar. I wish Ducati had been half as creative with the exhaust as the Suzuki as far as placement and routing goes.
The thing that catches my eyes every time I see the 696 is that god awful exhaust. That and those huge ass rearsets are really the only things I hate on the 696.
No inverted forks or am I missing something?
Not missing anything ... this is an entry level bike, so lots of shortcuts are likely. This model will be below the SV.
new level of ugly
gluteass maximus ;D
Quote from: Triple J on September 25, 2008, 01:02:13 PM
You may not like the 696...but you gotta admit it looks a shit ton better than that! [puke]
+1
It would look a lot better with Termi high mount cans and a tail chop...
I am loosing faith in moto design those days...
Both are ugly in my opinion but if I had to pick, the 696 does have some good points and some clean lines. What is with the exhaust on new bikes. [puke]
That's funny cuz I always thought the 696 looked like a Suzuki.
Yea, I just saw the new Suzuki line this morning and thought the 650 to look an awful lot like a 696. Flattery I guess.
LA
Quote from: bobspapa on September 25, 2008, 10:20:35 AM
gluteus
Gladius (that's "sword" in Latin)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladius
slap on a ducati seat and tail, add a ducati logo and headlight and here you go [clap]
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2emq42q.jpg)
and then add a red frame/paint scheme and its even closer
(http://i35.tinypic.com/1q1mo3.jpg)
That looks really good, IMO.
Hah! Done that way, it looks more like a Monster than the 696.
Dont forget the tail chop...
The more I look at it with the Monster seat, the more I think it would pass as one to the casual observer.
Quote from: optiato on September 26, 2008, 01:33:41 PM
The more I look at it with the Monster seat, the more I think it would pass as one to the casual observer.
Actually the casual observer would simply ask if it was "the new buell". ;)
Quote from: someguy on September 26, 2008, 01:36:10 PM
Actually the casual observer would simply ask if it was "the new buell". ;)
Ok, so you have a point there.
Though I've never been asked that, just "Who makes Ducati?"
I'd take that zook over the 696.
*shock*
*gasp*
*alarm*
Remember the Photochopped pics of the "New Monster" we were seeing back in May of 2007? The 'Zook looks MUCH like the pics we saw then. :o :o
I found this pic on MCN:
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/194137/images/Monster-V2.jpg)
The 'Zook:
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/215070/images/SFV650.jpg)
its better looking than the 696, sorta...
my mind keeps saying dolphin, or killer whale, when i look at that paint scheme though
Quote from: pennyrobber on September 25, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
The original SV650 had a trellis looking aluminum frame. You always new what they were shooting for with the old one but this thing is a blatent rip-off of the monster. My question though is, who exactly is this bike for? Suzuki already makes a naked SV650 with the same engine and bargin bin hardware to keep the price down. Are they going to have two different newby friendly models that share an engine among other things?
And Gluteus... man I feel bad for the people who buy this thing, they will never hear the end of it. [clap]
Have you ever seen the Shiver from Aprilia? It had Trelis/Cast frame combo for the last 2 years
(http://www.mslmagazine.co.uk/features/aprilia_shiver_images/7-january_2006.jpg)
There are more bikes with trelis/cast frame combo before the new mostesr came out..
How about the Bimota Delirio? it's been in the market for the last 4 years...
How about this Yamaha, made back in 1987... A very early mix of Cast and Trelis frame...
(http://www.portalmotos.com/www/images/fotos/fondos_escritorio/7454.jpg)
Hard to be Original anymore... :-X
oooo really like that yamaha [thumbsup] what is it?
check this out.... http://www.gladiusstyle.com/
Suzuki is trying to make this bike appealing to the Techno fashionista ... turn on your speakers.. this is very funny!
All that shit looks the same those days.
Its really disappointing to see this lack of inspiration and form-follows-function styling.
Goo thing with Harley is , they stick true to what people love about them
I have to say that I really like the naked styling of the 90s bikes, most of them turned out great.
But this year...come one...its boring...girlish and modern is and uninspired way.
I want something iconic I can cherish and be proud of...also to drive something a little crazy without doing too much welding.
And i am really angry with Ducati for letting this slip out of focus.
are you kidding? HD was BLASTED for the V-Rod by traditional HD riders.
Quote from: Raux on September 27, 2008, 02:24:58 PM
are you kidding? HD was BLASTED for the V-Rod by traditional HD riders.
at least Harley keeps a big part of their lineup with traditional bikes....
Quote from: Raux on September 27, 2008, 06:54:52 AM
oooo really like that yamaha [thumbsup] what is it?
Yamaha SDR 200 google it.. fun single cylinder 2 stroke cafe racer from the late 80s...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/59/217399792_fd2fa0df3c_o.jpg)
(http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2005/11/14/bikepics-467089-800.jpg)
Quote from: ArguZ on September 27, 2008, 01:59:12 PM
All that shit looks the same those days.
Its really disappointing to see this lack of inspiration and form-follows-function styling.
Goo thing with Harley is , they stick true to what people love about them
I have to say that I really like the naked styling of the 90s bikes, most of them turned out great.
But this year...come one...its boring...girlish and modern is and uninspired way.
I want something iconic I can cherish and be proud of...also to drive something a little crazy without doing too much welding.
And i am really angry with Ducati for letting this slip out of focus.
You are right, looks like everyone try to build the most futuristic looking bike those days, Age of Space Look i hope it goes away if a couple years and designs go back to more traditional forms in motorcycles.
Quote from: Raux on September 27, 2008, 06:54:52 AM
oooo really like that yamaha [thumbsup] what is it?
200cc 2 stroke weighing in at under 300 lbs.
Are you guys forgetting the Kawi 650R that was released about two years ago? It had a hybrid trellis/cast frame. Now the zook comes out...
What bothers me about these bikes is that they are all aimed at the entry level market, they are cheap economy bikes - none of them for serious enthusiasts.
Even the Aprilia Shiver is aimed at the entry level.
Sort of puts a label on that frame style as cheap and inferior. That's not what I want on a Ducati
(http://www.ninja650.com/ninja6507.jpg)
if you put the aprilia underseat exhaust on the 696, that would be one badass looking bike.
i have to hand it to aprilia their exhaust along with bimota underseat, basically looks great on their bikes. in some ways the angular shape to them could go very well to sorta contrast and bring out the lines to a monster subframe and such.
Regardless of who looks like who, a Ducati rider will never look at a "Gladius" and say "I wish......"
Sure, take the frame and the digital display... but why the awful footpeg wings? ???
Quote from: wark on January 23, 2009, 01:17:47 AM
Sure, take the frame and the digital display... but why the awful footpeg wings? ???
I am excited to see what Rizoma will do for the rear sets.
I saw the Gladius at the D.C. Cycle World show. The silver part of the Gladius frame is not even metal. It is a plastic cover made to look like metal. I have no idea what it looks like if you remove the frame cover. Now that is cheap.
if you look on Bellisimoto.com you can find carbonfiber covers for the 696 like that.
HHonestly, I had weighed the pros and cons on the Suzuki Gladius and the Kawasaki ER-6n before I purchased my 696. Both of the Japanese bikes are about 90 lbs heavier, almost .6 inches taller and have a smaller engine by 50cc's. There were only pros for the Duc.
Glad I stuck with my gut feeling [thumbsup]
Is it not "THESE" days or is this American grammar?
1) All that shit looks the same those days
2) You are right, looks like everyone try to build the most futuristic looking bike those days, Age of Space Look i hope it goes away if a couple years and designs go back to more traditional forms in motorcycles
Quote from: The Don on January 23, 2009, 06:45:18 PM
Is it not "THESE" days or is this American grammar?
1) All that shit looks the same those days
2) You are right, looks like everyone try to build the most futuristic looking bike those days, Age of Space Look i hope it goes away if a couple years and designs go back to more traditional forms in motorcycles
He's from København...
Quote from: pennyrobber on September 25, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
The original SV650 had a trellis looking aluminum frame. You always new what they were shooting for with the old one but this thing is a blatent rip-off of the monster. My question though is, who exactly is this bike for? Suzuki already makes a naked SV650 with the same engine and bargin bin hardware to keep the price down. Are they going to have two different newby friendly models that share an engine among other things?
And Gluteus... man I feel bad for the people who buy this thing, they will never hear the end of it. [clap]
Correction...
The original SV had an actual trellis frame (even if it was bulky and comparatively ugly). Then the second gen SV had the aluminum faux trellis.
(http://cyclehippie.com/images/Suzuki_SV650_2001.jpg)
(http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2003models/2003-Suzuki-SV650a-small.jpg)
For everyone who complains about the look of the exhaust (cans) just remember that bikes now have to have a full catalytic converter in the exhaust, which means HEAT so the cans need to have big heat shields for rider protection.
Anyone touch a cat after driving for a while? They get super hot.