Ducati Monster Forum

I liked the DML

I want to like this place as much

but it's not happening

and that is mainly due to watching a group of people who I thought highly of

devolve

into trolls and assholes

I feel strongly that the attack on the DML should cease

and the attack on the sponsorship should cease

the DML became what it was through hardwork and enthusiasm

So far this place seems to be full of frustration and angst

Everyone has a right to feel whatever they feel and say their piece

but

I disagree whole heartedly on trying to get banned from the DML

go there if you still can and PM people to this place if you want more folk here

delete your posts (if you can) if you do not want to contribute to that place anymore

but the trolling and the contacting of sponsors is petty

and to me

an embarrassment

this is the type of shit that Andrew Pancroft (The Masked Marvel) did

granted he was an all out liar but the tactics are similar enough

and I just don't want to associate that kind of make the beast with two backsstick with the good people that make this place happen

big hug

I got banned, not for trolling, but for merely posting about this site.  I was disallowed from accessing information I gave freely, and that information is being used by someone else for their own profit.  VS has chosen a path that very clearly has said, "make the beast with two backs you".  I'm not stupid enough to think that my actions alone will have any affect on their corporate actions, but we, as a group, obviously have the ability to make some changes, even if those changes are only to raise awareness. 

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

for me..... and maybe mom feels the same. I'm not going away mad.... I'm just going away.

I'm only going back to print bp board pages, and I'm out.

no need to burn toasty, dml t-shirts or shit on VS.

I couldn't agree more, it's an internet forum for gods sake.  It's hardly worth getting mad over.  That doesn't mean you can't use what influence you have available to bring about a change.

i understand the bad blood. i'd be lying if i said i wasn't at least a little bitter.

but one must be zen about these things...

i imagine that the loss of the vast majority of long term members, and the general spreading of the news on how the company is conducting itself will do enough harm without active sabotage.

you might call me 'passive,' but i like to think of less pejoratively as 'calm.'

*suddenly notices this forum lacks a "meditative" smiley.*

Give it a little time mom.

People are feeling jilted... I was angry at first, did some trolling and posting of links to this place.  I got banned pretty damn fast.  I have cooled off now, and just want to go back once my ban is lifted and delete what I can, post a few links where needed and leave it at that.

I can be pretty childish, and as it says below my avatar, a professional asshole...

But if I can cool off... the rest of us will.  It's just a matter of time.

Sure, i understand that, and I'm not faulting anyone (well, I am, but not individuals just the actions)

this is just my opinion

in my own life, I have devoted way to much negative energy to things that are done and gone and I cannot do anything about

this is something that I try to mitigate every day

so, for me

continued dealings with VS and the DML just seem like  :bang

i'm usually never the one to throw fuel on the fire, and hardly ever the one to light it...
but i am burning the shirts because i don't want to promote TOB...

I'll go as far as pulling stickers off the wedding gift mo:t:

I hear ya mother.

Props to you for your actions... or should I say, lack there of.


Just don't give up on this place... once the fires burn out... it will feel just like the good old days.  Occasional drama with continuing hilarity and a plethora useful information.

I agree with you on this point



I really dislike that I cannot delete my contribution to that site

however

Two points I disagree with you on

1)
  
An internet forum is just a medium of communication, just because it is electronic does not somehow make it any less valid than any other form of communication

be it letter, telephone, or face to face

2)
  
as true as that is, it is a little strong in this case as I do not believe that this is an equation of Good vs. Evil

What is there now is not the DML...

all I see is ducatimonster.org...and an alien version of the url I remember logging in to.

It's OK though...

It seems I'll be able to keep in touch with my friends...

and help a few people make some new friends...

and maybe...just maybe...mend a few fences broken for a long time.

just not there.

I have mixed feelings also mother.

The body is still warm, and we are not morning the loss, but defacing it instead.

We should remember board pre 2008, and move forward here.

mitt

 

Dedicated to BP! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=00t8TbYizI0)

 ;D

me too

I have kept my airbox because my DML sticker was on it

now I finally have an excuse to get pods

 ;D

Mitt

that is a great analogy

and outlines my point

it is similar to not viewing the body in the casket

and

choosing to remember what it was and not creating memories as to what it became

 :'(

that makes me sad... to me, the wedding gift is a great example of what good we can do as a group.

sure but the bike is the baby

and the DML was just were it was concieved

the dml is the bikes heart  :(

you're wrong....

all of us are the bikes heart...not an acronym.

Well put Mother.   wt:

i don't mind being wrong.

i know it was the group that got together and made that happen, and not an acronym  r:e)
see my previous post.

i said it makes me sad he's takin off the stickers....

Mel...I'm wrong most of the time...I've gotten used to it.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

It is a means of communication, but not a good one.  The immediacy of it leads to a lack of thought that's usually in a letter, telephone at least allows nuances of tone and inflection that convey meaning, and face to face brings in all sort of subtle cues that allow a great deal of accuracy. All that can get lost here.


Yeah, but it was the best I could do on short notice  ;)

That's the thing, right there.  The DML is way more than just an acronym, it's this great big weirdly dysfunctional familywith one sustaining common thread.  The house we all grew up in has been turned into a whore house and we'd rather se it burned down than used so badly.

In my opinion the DML was a great place. I went there because I enjoyed the topics and most of the people that wrote them. It has been highly informative for me in the past and I even used the classifieds to find and purchase my bike. The DML has changed and in my opinion not for the best. Am I upset about it? A little bit. I paid for a Titanium membership a couple months ago that I am not going to use anymore. Most of the people that made the DML what it was are over here now so this is where I will stay. I don't think I will delete my DML profile just yet. I would like to see where my past home ends up.    Jon

eh, I think people will vent/deal with the loss of the dml in their own way.  It's only been a few days.  If this were to go on for weeks/months, yeah, that's petty.

To a lot of people here the DM<L was more than a website, hours and hours a week (sometimes in a single day) were spent there.

Different people will deal with that change/loss/adjustment in their own individual way.

I myself went over there and stirred up shit with the admin because I wanted my posts deleted.  Once I knew that wasn't going to happen I asked for my profile to be deleted.  All that happened was that my profile username/password was changed, giving the appearance that I was still active but I no longer had access.

That's they way I am dealing with it.  Each person's response to this will be different, not right or wrong. 

My 2 cents.

If BP burned all of his DML shirts, he wouldn't have anything to wear.  Trust me, you don't want to see him naked.   ;D

OUCH!   ;:|

I'm just kidding about my uber hot hubby.

oh bp yer so fine, yer so fine you blow my mind...hey bp.... hey bp  [cheeky]


stickers are off the bike.

the crank case cover has the engraved DML logo on it..... that will stay as a reminder of what was.

the family is the heart of the monster....  :-*

So you've seen him naked, too?

(For the record, the above post about my uber hot hubby was written by said uber hot hubby -- NOT ME!)

 ;:| ;:| ;:|


i agree 100% that the family is the heart of that  bike.
it was very symbolic to me to hear bp was taking the sticker off of it, i'm sensitive like that  ;)

i feel better now.

give bp a hug from me :)

melissa

No I just accidentally poked myself in the eye laughing.   ;:|

our neighbor thinks im cute  :'(

I dunno BP- I think we have to see you naked now.  It's a rule...

I don't even want to see me naked.

I hear you mother. Being upset about a situation is one thing - but trying to instill ill feelings in others by appealing to nationalism is another thing entirely (i.e. constant Canadian bashing). Given that we're supposed to be members of an international community, I think it would have been more productive to focus on the actions of VS, and not on the nation in which it is based.

That having been said, I STILL think Chipos video of DML headquarters is hilarious, & should be mandatory viewing.  ;:|

I guess, as in all things, there is a line... and some people probably crossed it, both in terms of Canadian bashing, and with contacting sponsors.

I think this board will be made all the stronger once people devote their energies to bikes, mods, and the very occasional-politically-correct boobie thread.

Cheers all.  be::

my .02

i'm over it. it's dead to me.  I lurk a bit now to satisfy my trainwreck curiosity, but that's it.  if it were up to me, there would be a TOB sub board here, cause truth be told I'm kinda wishing we could just move on and stop clogging GMF and NMC.  I have my family here, that's all that matters [thumbsup]

Completely OT.  Sqweak and whoever else is involved, thanks for the work last night. 

Thanks Mother. I had the same thoughts and kept quiet. I resolved to just not read any threads over there so I wouldn't be irritated.

I agree with posting ones grievences. Once. And then move on.

I don't think it's necessary to chime in on each and every thread about a different forum. It's not necessary to harass the sponsors.

In the end, any business/group/community should be free to evolve. If we don't like it, we should be free to leave.

Lobbing shit over the fense on our way out though, taints the valid decision to leave and will likely turn others off from following.

Let's move forward and make the DMF a positive experience for new and old.

For some reason I still haven't been banned (maybe b/c I'm Canadian [cheeky])  despite having posted a few links to the DMF and trying to PM a few DML'ers who haven't showed up here yet.  I spent an hour or so reading today's DML posts.

Now that private messaging is banned, it bothers me that I can no longer contact people who are still active on that board other than through a post that I can only hope they will stumble upon.  But I guess I'll just have to deal with VS's totalitarian style.  I've moved on.

Tonight over there I witnessed some arguing between remaining DML board contributors and a few familiar names from this board who continue to troll.  It was a bit embarrassing.  It was personal and juvenile.  Letting it degenerate into an us  vs. them pissing match is only going to reflect badly on our new board and drive potential converts further away from here.

We had some fun for a few days but now it's time to buck up and act like adults people.

<Pompous  ass hat off>