Ducati Monster Forum

Greetings!  I plan on buying my first motorcycle in the next month, and have been doing some research and asking as many questions as I can. I'm still so new to the motorcycle world.

Initially, my interest was in the Kawasaki Ninja 650. However, I just came across the Ducati Monster 696. WOW! What a sweet looking bike.

1) Would this be inappropriate for an entry level bike? I don't have any riding experience, but I did just take the MSF course this weekend.

2) I'm really in love with the looks of the 696, and I've heard that it performs well, too. However, I've read that the exhaust gets EXTREMELY hot for the passenger, and makes it difficult to carry a passenger. Is that true?

3) What is a reasonable (or typical) OTD price on an '09 Monster 696?

4) Iis there anything a newbie should know about the 696? ANY suggestions or advice would be MUCH appreciated!

Thanks in advance for your help :)

You're already in love with the bike, so the rest is easy.

If you're taking a passenger you should get used to preloading the rear spring (easy enough, couple of minutes when you know how). It will improve handling and security.

Ducati's signature sound is created, to a large degree, by carbon exhaust cans. They don't become very warm.

I bought the Monster 696 as my second bike, but grew up riding quads and such. Basically you will have to get used to riding anything you buy regardless since no two bikes are the same. If you feel comfortable riding already, the 696 might not be a bad bike for you. The seat height is low and it handles really well. For me, it inspires more confidence at every curve. Keep in mind though since it is your first bike, there is a higher chance of it falling over or you dropping it just from being a "newbie".

As far as the heat goes, someone is full of crap. I ride double all of the time and have specifically asked her about heat and whether or not it bothers her. She has no problems with it what so ever and usually has her ankles right up against the exhaust (no boots yet). I've also put my hand on the exhaust with thin gloves on and it doesn't feel hot by any means.

From what I've read, most people are getting them OTD for right around 10k if not a little under.

The main thing you should know is that the maintenance might be a little more expensive than a more common bike like a SV650 and and dealers are a little harder to come by. I would recommend test riding one if the local dealer will let you.

I really enjoy riding mine, but probably wouldn't have bought it as my first bike. You will enjoy a bike a lot more if you feel comfortable on it. I would have a hard time feeling comfortable on a 9-10k dollar bike without any riding experience. Just my 2 cents.

It is a great bike for a beginner.  Handles well, easy to control power band. Quick enough that you won't get bored with it when you get better, but not so quick that youre asking for trouble. 

As far as passengers, I have taken quite a few people on my 696 and no one has ever complained about the heat... but I have had a few complaints that they smell of exhaust fums afterwards... it keep telling them, that is an aphrodisiac for a lot of men. 


I would highly recommend getting the 696.  It is fine for passengers.  Price, depends on your area, but if you live in a winter land now is the time to buy.  They have been hot and hard to get a hold of, which means most dealers won't bargain with you.  But in the winter lands, like Colorado for me, dealers will make deals.  Standard price is $8700, but I think it went up.. and then there are some delivery, building fees etc which add up to about $1000.

I would expect to pay around 10K out the door for a new 696. From my own experience riding demo units and friends bikes, you will want to plan for the exhaust upgrade. if not for the power, for the sound.

Buy one, you will love it. It is an amazingly "easy" bike to ride and as others have said, it inspires confidence with its good manners.

One thing that I would say is to expect to drop it at least once. I was really glad to have a cheap used bike for my first so that I could get the drop out of the way with no real damage to the bike or my bank account. Just something to consider.

I'm wondering why people keep talking about dropping their bikes.  Do you drop them going into corners too hot and lay it down or do you forget to put a leg down when coming to a stop?  Just wondering why everyone says you should stay away from a new/expensive bike because you're going to drop it.

Later

The 696 is a great first bike but I still would recommend you get a used SV650 to start out for a few months as a newbie. There are very few people out there that never dropped their bike. You will hate yourself if you dropped your brand new $10000 696 in the first few days of riding. Refer to this post http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3151.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3151.0). I'm guilty of 2 on the list. Besides the resale value of the SVs are good. It is worth the investment i think.

Good luck and be careful out there

Got my 696 for $9900

I'm with you.  I know most people put bike down, but when I drive a car I really think most people don't know how to drive nor seem to be fully aware of their surroundings.  I think this translates to bikes as well.  If you come into a corner too hot or don't see that sand in the middle of it, well you're probably going to go down.   I also know people that have ridden for years and never had an incident.   If you ride smart and keep aware and in safe spots amongst cars you will have good chances of not putting a bike down.

I dropped mine in a parking lot when I was forced to do a quick stop after being surprised by a car and having to stop real quick after just starting. The reason I was surprised was due to a complete rookie error and I was happy to have a learning lesson with no real damage to the bike.

Having just gone through the first 6 months on a bike, I cannot in good conscience recommend a $10,000 bike as a first bike. Go out, buy a $2000 beater and ride it for 6-12 months. You will learn a ton and not worry so much about making a mistake that will mess up the new bike, and when you get your second ride it will be so much more rewarding.

On the other hand, buy what you want!

people drop bikes. newbies and otherwise. there is no category for people predisposed to do that.
 
i drop my brand new M900 10 years ago. IZ_ neutral. yeah it freaked me out. but i would have freaked if i had spent 2k instead of 10k just as much. i care about my stuff. yes i was a newbie at the time and didnt know about the Ducati quirk. you bet i check it everytime now.

get what you want. take care of it and yourself and if it falls over, pick it up learn from it. use it as an excuse to mod it. but dont let the potential of a drop stop you from getting a ducati.

Most people dropping their bikes early on seem to do it at low speed - sudden stop while turning, IZ_ neutral, etc. Least, I know I did w/ my 1st bike (which was a new SV). It was still worth getting the bike I wanted - the scratches just gave it character  ;D

little front brake while bars are turned and you're looking at the ground at almost stopped speed?     down.

It takes a while to get coordinated for all the different tasks on a bike.   High speed traffic, slow speed corners, leaving from a stop sign and turning left or right, parking lots.....   all of those have different techniques for brake, throttle, body position.

The OP and I have PMd on the issue, but I'll comment here....   if you either have the cash to fix, or don't care about scratches and little dents, then no big for first bike.

If you are financing it, or care about cosmetics and don't ahve the extra funds to fix things, then bad idea.    If in this category, get a used ninja 500 and when you get bored sell it for what you paid for it and buy your Duc.   If in the former category, buy the Duc and have fun.

If looking at a Duc, check locally for dealer first.    Duc experience is ALL about your dealer.

Rambler,  I was in your exact position oh i don't know, about 400 miles and 4 weeks ago.  I did it backwards.  I bought the bike, and gazed at it lovingly in my garage while I got my permit, took the MSF course, waited for the title to show up etc.

I was very lucky, in that I found an '09 696 used on Craigslist with < 200 miles on it for a bit less than 8k.  I saw a dark one on the Boston Area CL last week for 8k with < 1000mi.

My impressions so far... I absolutely love it.  No buyers remorse.  It's pretty forgiving, rewards you for good behavior, and doesn't feel like it wants to kill you all the time... not impressions I've gotten from riding some of my friends' "starter" bikes.

Dropped it once.  I've got really short legs, so I shortlegged it at kind of an off-canted stop.  Wasn't moving.  Get frame sliders.  Try not to put body parts between the bike and the ground.

Speaking of my drop.  When you drop yours, try to make it on the right side.  I'll send you my stock right hand mirror.  ;D

A good beginner bike... Prob not. It has 80 hp and 50 Torque. Yeah you can do much worse by buying a R1 to start with  ;D

A 620 would be a much better choice IMO and much cheaper.

I have 25k on my S4R and I still feel like its way to much bike for me. I came off a 620. It prob would have been more wise for me to jump into a 696ish HP/Torque equivalent Bike

Regarding dropping the bike it doesnt take much really. Stalling the bike at slow speeds in a parking lot, Stepping off into a Pothole, hitting gravel or oil in the road, being cutoff by another car, I can go on and on and on.

Bought a 696 as a first bike in July.  Took the MSF class, but never been on a bike before. 

After 2500 miles, I have no regrets.  I understand the comments about the potential for dropping it.  I came close a couple times in the first few weeks -- both times were parking as earlier posters have said.  I came to a stop with a very slight turn still, and once I stopped it started leaning.  I'm 6'1, 190, and I just fought it from dropping.  Luckily, I won both times. 

On the question of if its "too much" bike for a beginner -- everyone has an opinion, but I don't think its too much.  Obviously I'm a bit biased since this is my first bike, but I've never felt that I was behind the bike at all or that it has gotten away from me.  There is plenty of power there, but it is very predictable. 

+11ty billion

I bought a m695 as my first bike for the same reason you are considering the m696.  I was (and still am) in love with the look of the bike.  It was not a rational purchase.  I didn't need a bike and as a noob, a SV 650 would have been the much wiser choice.  The problem was that the SV 650 just didn't move me like my Duc did.

After finishing the MSF course, I hopped on my "shinny" its a dark model new bike and rode off with my wife (also a noob) following on her Boulevard C50T.   At the end of the ride, I was coming to a stop....looked back at my wife....hit gravel...and of course down I went.   The result was a busted shift lever, bent up front wheel nut, and scratched exhaust can. 

Fast forward several months.   I'm much more confident and riding with a buddy on a great road with tons of hairpins.  I hit a hard to see dip at the apex of a 15mph left, lost my line, fixated on the ditch rushing at me, and rode right in.  The result was some small scratches on the front mud guard, a bent handle bar from my leg hitting it as I went over, and more scratches on my exhaust. 

I've fixed the shift lever (obviously) and the handlebar, buffed out most of the scratches, and replaced my stock exhaust with high mount Termi's.  Going into it I felt pretty confident in my ability to handle a bike.  I'm 40, been around for a while, raced cars on the road course and drag strip, and played football in college and arena ball.  I consider myself pretty coordinated and level headed.  My point is, you will probably have some sort of mishap.  I'm not saying "don't buy the 696".  If I had to do it all over again, I would still have gotten my 695.  Just go into it with the realization that things can and do go wrong and replacing parts on a monster is not as cheap as replacing them on a SV 650.   Oh yea....and always wear your gear.   [thumbsup]

if you have the money to buy it, buy it, if you don't then just finance it.

yuou will learn about the costs of buyign ducati parts in the process and how they may cost more than otehr brands, that is part of owning a ducati.

if you have the money to buy new, buy it.  but dont' complain later that it costs so much to replace a small cosmetic part, that is the deal.  people suggest a cheaper bike at first just to get over the initial learning of riding if you have never ridden before.  most early drops come from parking lot speeds from an off camber road, or just a mental lapse, that is why people sya get a cheap bike first so that you dont spend money on fixing it,  but again if you have the money to spare then you are ok, get a new bike.

Wow, thanks for all the responses. This site is great!!

I've read everyone's posts (and done plenty of additional research), and purchased the 696. I'm ready to incur whatever costs are associated with it... whether it's from a drop or replacement parts.

I've found a great dealership in Chicago. They're the primary Ducati dealership here, and have gotten good reviews on their service.

I also think I pretty good deal- $9,200 OTD and 60% off a Joe Rocket jacket. When we were done negotiating, the dealer said to me, "Do you want my first born, too?!?" Hahaha   :D

I sat on the bike in the shop and it felt great, extremely comfortable! But what about for long rides? I have a friend who lives about 3 hours away, and I'd like to visit him at some point. Is the bike appropriate for long trips like that?

Also (and this might be crazy), but I read somewhere that the Monster has a stigma as being a "girl's bike." Is that true???

 I'm 5'10" 165lbs... it didn't seem like the bike was too small for me.

Regardless, I'm SUPER excited!! Thanks, again, for all your feedback :)

Ok, this ^^^^ is stupid. There is no such thing as a "girl bike". There are women riders but bikes are bikes. That's insulting to us women who ride because it implies that "girl bikes" are wimpier and less of a bike than manly men bikes.

If they're talking about the size of the bike then I still don't get it. The bikes aren't small bikes and they aren't Busas either; seat height is right around 31 inches (CBR series is right around 31-32 if I remember correctly). The fairings make the Jap bikes look bigger I guess but still.... :-\


Good luck with your new 696. Don't forget to check out your local club, I believe its called Mocha. You'll find it under the Local section on the left side of this page.


Edit: this is not meant to be pregnant dogy at you, just at people who categorize bikes as "girl bikes" or "manly bikes".

Like I said, it's probably crazy, and I didn't buy into it. I was merely passing along what I had read...

Wasn't directed at you hon.  [thumbsup]

Got any pics of that bike yet?

+1 Jbubble.  Bike are bikes and like ships and planes they are all girls.  Like girls, no matter how small or nice they may seem, if you mess with them and break their heart, they will kill you.  ;)

The M696 was my first bike.  2500 miles in two months, I have no regrets.  Yes I did drop it because I forgot the stand.  No damage since I was sitting on the bike at the time.

I've done two hour rides pretty often, I have the stock seat and it's OK.  I image a three hour ride would be about the same.  Just work your way up to that amount of time. 

Enjoy your new ride and remember to start off slow - it took me three days to leave the parking lot.  Just wanted to be comfortable with the power before hitting the street.  If you have any doubts, jump on a bicycle and ride out in traffic.  The feeling is the same and some of the actions, like counter-steering are also the same, just much slower.  Getting comfortable at 80mph with cars and trucks surrounding you takes a bit but if you've got some bicycle experience, you'll find it pretty easy.

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3151.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3151.0)

Good on ya MsIncredible.  Personally, I'm trying to cut down on #88 myself, I'd gone sidesaddle due to the greater freedom of movement and just don't feel I can hang corners as well. 
I guess what I was trying to convey is that you should get the bike that will make you want to ride.  Get a bike that doesn't fit your eye just right and you won't feel as attached or inclined to ride it as much.  You'll always wish you had bought what you really wanted.  Yes, as has been pointed out quite well here, all types of riders put their bikes down for various reasons, but I bought my first bike because it suited what I was looking for, not because I was afraid I was going to drop it.  I think someone on this list.....maybe....wrote one time that if you think about crashing, you'll crash, if you think you're always going to drop your bike you probably will at some point.  Think positive and think you're going to stay shiny side up and you'll be much more prone to do so.  Anywho, enjoy your new bike, be safe and don't ever, ever ride sidesaddle.   [thumbsup]

Later

If you took the MSF, the bike is fine. It's my first also and the only thing I can suggest is watch the throttle! The monster is quick and the throttle is nothing like the bikes I trained on at the MSF. Also realize the friction point is way out towards the end. Other than that it's a great bike for a newbie(like me)and I wholly recommend it, as long as you take the MSF. I've had a few friends and saw several videos on youtube that show people learning from friends on sports bikes and they almost always wreck the bike because they were not taught how to ride a bike at all.