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Yo i posted this over in "Tech" but thought some local folks may have some ideas:

Any help is greatly appreciated.

06 620

Put my key into the ignition and turn to on, I just get a blip of light in the cluster, no gauge sweep, no fuel pump prime.
Checked all connections, checked fuses, checked sidestand wire. Replaced battery with new (and newly charged) unit.

Key turned to "Park" turns the parking light on no problem.

If it were immobilized the amber engine light would be on correct?

Worst case scenario?: Bad ECU/Gauge cluster? Do they just not work one day w/o symptoms?

Thanks again.

I seem to remember some people having issues with moisture in one of the connectors near the steering head area there.  Antenna connection may be loose too...

Hey Edward....

Throw out some more info on this sitch.....

So your battery went down over time and you walked out to the bike and this happened, or what?  Then you replaced the old battery with a new one?  Anything out of the norm happen lately?   

Just as a precaution, you did hook up the battery cables to their correct pole?

Have you had your gauges  off the bike lately?  Reason I ask is that the guage cluster has an electrical connector on the bottom and maybe it did not get pushed all the way back in to the gauges...in fact just for fun, remove the two 5mm allen screws that hold the cluster onto the U bracket and lift off the bike....they're easy to find, you can see them sitting on the bike just below each guage (they are gold in color)...anyway, unplug that connector inspect the pins in the guage c, and then reconect it and see if that doesn't fix the problem......

hiero > The bike is garaged, never outside unless I'm on it, but I will check for any condensation inside of connectors etc. Where would the antenna connection be? Thanks for the tip.

Hey Paul,
I don't think the battery was ever the issue, i just replaced it just in case it was. gauges haven't been off the bike, the only clue that i may have a growing problem was when i put it up for the night 2 weeks ago, even though the ignition was turned to off and i pulled the key out of it, the system was still on. I put it back in and cycled it (full sweep, fuel pump prime) and then it went off normally.

When I replaced the battery I made very sure to do a one touch connect on each terminal to avoid shocking the system. The alarm LED is still blinking away

I will check the cluster electrical connector and report back.

Thanks to everyone. Hope things are on the mend Paul. PM your address so i can come annoy you haha.

Edward, the antenna Heiro of which speaks is kinda attached to the ignition switch..and please correct me David if I'm off the mark.....if you lift your tank, support it on the prop rod and look at your switch near it's base, you'll see a zip tied black wire coming out of the bottom (and I believe ) tied to the left bottom frame rail as it meets the steering stem...It seemed to me that I had to remove my airbox to fully see what was going on in there....., but is this now an intermittent thing?  Can you get the gauges to sweep at all? 

So, the last time you had the bike running was 2 weeks ago?  And again not sounding pompous, what battery did you replace it with?  Something brand new, or a surplus just laying around?

Try this; to reset your ecu's, remove the battery completely and leave out for about 15min.....then reinstall and see if you get the sweep-idge......,

gone ape's got it

oh, i forgot to mention, the antenna is a circular ring that's glued to the bottom of the key switch cover

So, Space, did you do it yet? huh huh? did you do it yet? did you check out the gauges did you huh huh?

Indeed! Inquiring minds wanna know. Hell, I wanna know!!

So i did everything that i could by way of Paul and Rich's suggestion on  Wednesday night but to no avail. I took a picture of the front of the bike and what i cleaned with the electrical connection cleaner:

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_CFD-C_T1IRQ/SRdknvJW0WI/AAAAAAAAHwA/C_xQ-gkXK2M/s400/IMG_3029.jpg)

Also here is a video of what is happening with the bike after the work was completed. You can see the blip of the gauge cluster at the beginning. I then move the key to park mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEQP1dTkNEs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEQP1dTkNEs)

I reckon my next move is to put the bike in the shop. Again, Thanks again to everyone!

before I did anything else, I would try another key if I had one.

I'd say, there's something wrong with you electrical system.

What about the, I'm not sure what you call it, where you insert the key? Did you take it apart to see if it makes contact properly when you turn the key? Does this make sense? Sometimes I feel as if English were my second llanguage.

that is really strange. now i am not in the know on this, i only have had my monster 3 weeks, but the audio is interesting.

when you turn the key to ON, is that the fuel pump we are hearing or can we also hear the cluster reseting? my cluster sounds louder than the one in your video so i wasn't sure. do you have to have the cluster installed to start the bike? have you tried to start it without? i cannot imagine what kind of system would prevent the bike from starting without a cluster or with a broken one, but like i said, i am a newb.

i'm sorry you're having to go through all this man! 

did you get a chance to check the antenna under the key cover plate?

And did you attempt the Immobilizer Overide procedure yet?  and did you try your red key?

If still had my monster, I'd swap gauges with you to see if at least you get a gauge sweep/change...maybe somebody can step up here?

Ivo, your English is fine.....it's your Bulgarian that needs work!

S/G, you get major props for taking that stuff on!!!  Nice You Tube Vid!!

bullet > ya i tried my other black key and the red one as well
Ivo > I didnt take the ignition off, I will check that next, (also i thought English was Lang #2 for you!)
hiero > Thanks bro, I didn't get a chance for that one but i'm going to do it tonight
Paul (G.A.) > I tried the immobilzer function (red key in hold open throttle for a while, but never got the blinker to go off so i could try my code.) maybe i did it incorrectly. I will try this again as well.

You guys have been awesome, thanks again for all the help.
 

I don't have any real plans for next weekend... I could ride over and loan you mine. Maybe someone else needs some wrenching done too and we could make it a thing...

Update to this saga:

I am almost certain the gauge pod has gone bad. I undid the ignition cover and checked and cleaned every connection that had a plug.
Listening very carefully when the key is first turned on i can hear the pod trying to do something in there but its sounds very bad.

Is changing the pod possible or is it all hooked up to the ECU/Key/Alarm?

yotogi > Thanks bro! Let's see what we can work out this week. Thanks, that's awesome of you.

Edward, your bike won't start with his gauge cluster, but I was thinking it may be a poor man's way to determine if all the right "things electrical" were at least getting to the cluster.  (i.e. is it an ignition switch or a????)  Just trying to narrow things down.

Without a Mathesis tester you really are at this point chasing a ghost (no pun intended)  If Yotogi's generous offer doesn't bare jack, you're really gonna have to stop wasting your time and bite the bullet and take it to D/A.  They don't necessarily have to Fix it for you, just with this type of problem it's best to pay the diagnostic time to really nail down the problem.  Your time is running out if you intend to petition Ducati North America for help.

I'm going to be gathering up my bike this weekend from AF-1, then helping TXDuc get his steering head bearings back in his bike....if I can, I'll check in and see how things are going....

I got a form letter from DNA: take it to a dealer and so forth..
Well, thanks to every one at Ming's on Wed night hopefully we'll get it going from here.

 [thumbsup]  GL.

















I've been trolling this thread.  ;D

Talked to Paul up at MA today and he said that it shouldn't break anything to try your cluster on my bike or vice versa. But if you are going to take it up there anyway, hell, they are ready for you. Get it fixed so we can go ride.

UPDATE: The Bike lives!
The culprit: A relay that had gone bad and melted, causing a short, the gauge cluster is okay..(for now).

I want to thank everyone that helped and offered to help especially Paul and Arron. Thanks to DA for a quick fix and friendly service.
Note: My rear brake light is back on, could this be the source of the bad relay? I will call them on tuesday and investigate.

Thanks again for everything and hopefully see yall on wednesday so we can plan a ride for the weekend.

Wahoo! At least it was "just a relay" the cluster would have sucked!


Wrong letter to double up on buddy (2 a's 1 r)! I am so completely insulted that I feel like I have to rescind my offer to help you diagnose your problem alltogether!

By rear break light back on, do you mean it is stuck on? If so, yeah, that might could lead to a burnt out relay, but it could just indicate a short that caused the problem in the first place!

WHHHEEEEEEEEE!!!!  Great news, Edward.  

Indeed, I agree with AAAAARRRRRROOOONNNN (!) and perhaps a shorted taillight wire or relay has burnt the other relay....nice to know the fuse system built in works, eh?.....are there physical signs on the one identified relay (i.e. melted case)??  If you look around under the tank  & around the outside of the airbox, are there other relays which don't look "right"?

Here is the relay that gave up the ghost:
(http://edward.sensite.net/images/relay.jpg)

And my apologies to DA for rolling this up to their front door while their open house was happening. Lots of stares and worried looks. Hope I didn't run off any customers!
(http://edward.sensite.net/images/bike_tow.jpg)

Trust me, that's not what's keeping the customers away !!!!!!

Which relay was this in the schematic ?

Heh, I don't think that anyone was too worried at the customer meet and greet. Hell, many if not most of them already own Ducatis so they were just thinking how lucky they were that theirs wasn't broken.

awesome! 

don't think I'll make it to Mings this week, but looking forward to seeing that thing next week!

looks like one of the ol siemens v203073 (3072 in some older bikes) relays they use for some of the safety loops...

Scoreboard Edward!!   [beer]


Post up that part number so we can check it against the parts book to identify this gremlin to help others !!!!

David, turned out to be something like a $56 total bill to shake that down....and they frustration that preceded that was "priceless"  [bang]

maybe for him (which totally sucks) but i enjoyed helping try and diagnose it!