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Well. the first time i went down, my leg wasnt burned cause i was wearing boots. This time i wasnt. Went down and my foot landed right on the curved part of my front exahust. How hot is that part? I assume its the HOTTEST part. My foot was on it for more than 2 seconds at MOST.  The first thing i did was lift my foot of the exahust then figure away to get head that was wedged between the car my bike and the pavement.

Anyway, its been about 3 days, the first day it was all white. now it looks like this. :( sorry guys, i cant go out or do anything since i cant walk with shoes (it keeps pinching the wound) so you get the nice gross pics. I used an exacto knife to cut most of the edge of the skin, the rest is stuck on my header pipe. there were also some stray hairs that were never burned off so i had to pluck them out (the most painful process) theres a few more rogue hairs that i want to pluck but that particular area is very sensitive right now so ill leave it when i feel like self mutilating myself.

WEAR BOOTS even if its tims or whatever, just wear boots.  Aside from twisting ankles, it also protects you from nasty burns!

If you DO get burned, from the 2 nurses i spoke to, to prevent scaring, clean it with saline solution and water. Peroxide kills of new skin cells. Make sure its stays moist to prevent scabbing (which leaves scar tissue) and wash it often. The yellow fluidis called an eschar which is a coagultion of tissue proteins that form on the surface. Its kinda like a scab, except scabs are collection of dead skin cells.

Nurse said it looks like a 3rd degree burn. A 3rd degree burn is a burn that is below the dermis from what she said, and  i lost all feeling in most of the burned area so im prettyyyyy sure its below the dermis. LOL.

Anyone have any burn tips? I used Bacatrin for the first few days and now im just letting it heal on its own.


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Sorry about your wrecky. Hope you heal all up.

Rob

Sorry to hear about the wreck man.  How's the bike?

Be sure to keep that thing dressed for the majority of your day, but let it air out for a while in the evening.  Sit down and watch some tv with a beer while it airs, just make sure you dress it again before you to to bed.  Oh, and you may want to just shave the surrounding area right now, otherwise all the hair is just gonna get ripped out (ask me how I know ;D).  Once you start to get the feeling back in that area, it's gonna itch like hell.  Slapping always helped me with that.  Good luck!

Broken Guages is all. The guage itself didnt break ,the rubber boots did.

Heres more pics. I took some of that yellow fluid and threw it under a microscope.

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Im gonna see if i can get some of the new skin cells onto the slide and compare it to dead skin cells. brb!

Nope, cannot for hte life of me find skin cells even if i scrap the tissue. :( ok nothign to see here move on.

Do yourself a favor and keep it covered at ALL TIMES.  You should only allow air to get to the wound during dressing changes, which should be done once per day in the begining, and then every other day as the healing progresses.  Keeping the wound covered helps to keep moisture in the healing tissue, which will keep it supple and thus minimize scarring, ugly scab formation, actually speeding healing.  Also, neosporin (sp?) helps.

Good Luck, glad you are OK.

in the voice of joe from familyguy (the crippled dude).

SKINCELLS!!!!!!

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The black specs are from a ground plant (herbal medicine). i have some bactrin on it right now. Overall, you can see a layer of skin building up from the bottom of the foot. that area is getting somewhat sensitive. I can feel a qtip run through it where as before i felt absolutely nothing. I think im healing up pretty darn quickly. it stopped oozing out that yellow fluid when i put the herbal medicine on.

Got hurt last wednesday and is now monday. so its only been 5 days. its very difficult to walk right now since every step i take stretches the wound/new skin cells.

Please do the following:

1.  Go to your doctor. 
2.  As for a prescription for Silvadene.
3.  Keep your wound covered at all times.  The order of dressings should be: Silvadene, burn dressing of petroleum jelly treated gauze (I think it's a J&J product), regular gauze, whatever wrap will keep it on there (Ace bandage, sticky wrap, whatever)
4.  Change your dressing twice a day.  Toss the burn dressing and gauze on top of it.  You can reuse the outer barrier as long as it hasn't seeped through. 

You will heal MUCH more quickly if you do this.  I am not a medical professional.  I have just had to treat a few burns on myself in my life.  This is very serious, and from the photos it looks like you're getting an infection.  You can wind up with some ugly things if you let this go.

Good tips. very...very good tips. Except i dont have a doctor or med insurance. Ill look up what silvadene is and see if there is an alternative. It is indeed infected, and i am taking antibiotics right now. right now my dressing is a voodoo burn medicine, bacitrin and guage +sticky stretch wrap.

The infection started the day i took that pic. I left the wound open for a few hours for comfort. I must of sneezed on it or walked by something. My ankle got swollen that night pretty bad. It is going down now though.

edit: looked it up, turns out only OTA alternative to Silvadene is bacitrin (which is the strongest ota antibiotic topical creme you can buy). Ill give it a day or two to see how the swelling goes. If not, i used to work at a hospital, so i might be able to get one of the guys to get some of that stuff....its just a matter of how im suppose to get there seeing im walkiing at the pace of a very old brittle man. =p

It is very very very important that you NEVER leave your wound uncovered, except the short time to change your dressings.  Your skin is your body's ONLY barrier against infection.  After that, it's up to your immune system to do battle.  You have no skin on that spot right now, so you need to provide a septic barrier for your body at that spot.  If you start seeing the swelling creep up your leg, if any of your blood vessels starts turning red, you start seeing red streaks coming from the area, or if you start running a fever, go to the ER right away.  Any of those symptoms is a sign that your body is losing the fight, and you'll need emergency care right away to avoid potentially losing your foot (or more).

+1 on the Silvadene, it's the closest burn treatment to magic.

Insurance or no, get to a doctor.  Even if you have to wait for hours at the free clinic.  If that gets infected the infection can quickly travel to your blood stream and then you'll be really sick. 

I fried my arm on the exhaust of my dirt bike 24 years ago.  Third and second degree burns.  Yours looks like third.  I still have nasty scars and limited feeling in that patch of skin.  Silvadene is good stuff.  It helps dissolve the dead tissue and helps the healing process.  I don't think it's expensive but you need to get a prescription.  I'd stay away from herbal type remedies.  With a third degree burn whatever is in there can get stuck in the new tissue that's growing, a serious infection risk.  Keep it covered at all times except when changing the dressing.  Go see a doc.

Scott

Scott_araujo, Whats wrong with herbal remedies? this powder being herbal will just be absorbed and broken down by the body. other then that, yea i cant feel much in that area any more which isnt that big of a deal, think of it like this, its one less unimportant spot to itch. :P

The day i got an infection, was the day i left the wound open for a few hours and just did bacitrician without dressing it. I woudlnt say i was sick, but my ankle was swollen, and my calf was stiff. After reading Ducatisa's post about changing the dressing twice. I went back to the burn powder (which was an herbal medicine, it is suppose to be used for 7 days straight). And with the help of anti biotics all swelling is gone now and i can pretty much walk normal(aside from the fact that my shoe bumps the wound, so im walking around with my heel sticking out of my shoe, how do you girls wear heels....i dont know) The new skin has already covered the burn site and im just waiting for my body to cover it all up which shouldn't be too long.

I saw the RN at school who said the wound looks like its healing up well right now and theres no sign of infection. Just clean it with water and soap or saline solution, and keep bacitirician on it, change dressing every 12 hours and i should be fine.  I asked about silvadene and she said it would of been great to have that from the start, but it probably wouldnt be any better than what she recommended.

I wish i could of showed you guys a pic of what the burn powder did when i put it on with the infection. It litterally sucked this yellow pussing goo out. :-x im still using it, and the kind of pain you go through when you first apply it, rivals that of any pain ive ever felt including a broken skull, root canal, and a kick in the nuts. Probably not worth it when compared to modern drugs like silvadene.

Thanks to all the recommendations guys! Looks like i got away with this one so far. Ill update if anything strange happens like my foot falls off.

i don't know why i looked, but shouldn't have...  [puke]

i hope you heal up quickly!

C'mon...be a man and pour the salt on and take a steel brush to it... [thumbsup]

Herbal remedies are not FDA approved and may not be made to USP specs, so they may not be sterile and may contain things you don't want right up against your blood stream.  If you remove your skin, which a 3rd degree burn does, and then pack the wound with germy herbs they can go right into your blood stream.  Blood poisoning and infections anywhwere your blood travels (everywhere) can ensue.  A third degree burn is very serious and I wouldn't be using that stuff right now.

Stick with Silvadine, antisceptic gels, or sterile Vaseline if you're allergic to the ointments.  Many of the ointments (Bacitracin, Neosporin) are mostly Vaseline with antibiotics added.  The antibiotics can cause allergic skin reactions in some people.  The petroleum jelly alone still forms a nice barrier against germs but keeps the wound from drying out so no scab, faster healing, and less scarring.  Since you're growing new skin you want silvadine, a gel antisceptic, or petroleum jelly against the wound, otherwise your new skin can grow into the bandage and get pulled off when you change the dressing.  Silvadine serves this purpose nicely.

All this said, I'm not a doctor and it's your body.  This is just my opinion.

Scott

Ahh i get what your saying. Its just that my mom is a doctor and practiced for over 20 years in China (licensed in communist china if that counts for anything, but not here since she cant speak english well) and its the way i was brought up. The burn powder is designed to be an antibiotic that promotes new skin for any type of open surface wound.

As per a dressing, i had that exact problem of pulling off the new skin. But i went to the local pharamcy and picked up this non stick dressingt which is making life much easier. Not sure if its something new, but by god, it saves a lot of paiin in taking of the old  dressing. it comes off without any issue (aside from ripping my hair out)

Rotten Randy...
Are you suggesting brushed aluminum look on my skin???? this could be a new mod!

Hey, He Man.  I think I sold you the disc lock alarm.  Did it work out for you?

I wish I would have seen this earlier. Ducatista had the best remedy: Silvadene. Petroleum products are a no no when dealing with burns. Silvadene actually contains silver which acts as an antibiotic and the base keeps moisture in the wound. Keep it covered...

My bad Nakid, I thought petroleum jelly was inert.  And yes, those non-stick dressings are what you want.  Pulling off skin you spent all day growing hurts and defeats the process.

Scott

why is petro jelly bad for burns?

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Looks like the pizzas they used to serve us at my Jr. High School cafeteria.

wtf? lol

What woudl hte black specs be?

Oregano.  He said it's herbal ;)

Your school must of been rich to even have oregano on pizza.  :o


The skin around the burn site has grown back and now is itching like a son of a pregnant dog.

Itching accompanies healing, so if it doesn't look infected you're probably doing alright.  Over the next few weeks that cricle of skin will keep moving inward and the open sore will get smaller.  Most other folks with third degree burns have had similar experiences to mine.  The new skin is thin and a bit brittle, and thin pieces flake off all the time for weeks or months.  Eventually it gets thicker and more flexible and stops flaking so much.  You probably won't have any surface sensation in that area for a long time, if ever.  Mine was 25 years ago and I still don't feel much.

If I get the time I'll try to post a pic of my scar.  It looked just like yours when it was fresh, minus the oregano ;)

Scott

 [roll] the skin is cheese the red flehs is tomato sauce. it really does look like pizza.  [laugh]

The wound is already 75% healed.  :) but i do want some pizza.

Silvadene is actually a homeopathic remedy that became mainstream.  I think it's funny that you call it a "modern" drug.  Using silver preparations have been in use for a very long time, certainly longer than antibiotics.  The main reason why it only comes in a prescription is because it is used to treat serious burns, which you have, and you should ALWAYS see a doctor IMMEDIATELY when treating serious burns.  Just the fact that your ankle swelled and your calf became tight means that your body almost succumbed to the infection, and you were about this close |<->| to having a mandatory ER visit with sepsis.  You're one lucky person.  I appreciate your mother's knowledge, but I wouldn't put anything on a burn that isn't USP. 

RAMBO STYLE....seriously, those 2 hairs i didnt pull out.... well they got stuck underneth the new skin and i had to make a small nick and pull out the hair roots..... yea PAINFUL....Anyway...after 4 weeks! BAM in your face mother nature, no skin graft either! To my suprise i have just as much sensation as before. its very pink and soft though.  :P

Anyway from Start to finish...  ;D

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Cheese cloth pattern! thise was before i found out about those "nonstick bandages".
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Not bad!  If you want the scar to be less noticeable, check out products like Mederma.  Make sure you also have full flexibility in your ankle since that scar tissue isn't nearly as elastic as the original skin and that's a pretty big scar. 

1+  I was hospitalized for 'Cellulitis' caused by a little scratch on my foot that got infected.  Ended up with a swollen, infected foot bigger then a football and almost lost it.  I would go to the doctor at the first sign of infection.  Just my 2 cents...

next time when you dress the wound use an over the counter product like Tegaderm or similar thing, basically it takes the place of using guaze as a protective layer, its a dressing absically what you do is you clean teh wound , maybe put on some ointment of your choosing then put this Tegaderm on.  its a clear plastic style stuff but the thing is that it seals your body fluids in, but still let's the wound "breathe".  it won't dry out, and you are supposed to leave it on for 4-6 days till new skin starts up.  basically it lets your body do its work and doesn't let dirt get into the wound.

next time if you get this have handy the Band aid brand wound wash, all it is is saline solution, but the kicker is it has Lidocaine in it.  meaning it will sting like heck for the first 2-4 seconds you spray it on, but then bc of the pain killing effect of lidocain, you will have about 1.5-2 minutes where you can't feel the laceration to clean it out, i'm talking if you have to pull out rocks or hairs, etc, you will be able to do so and not feel a thing (obviously this is only  for surface wounds/simpler burns/not serous road rash not something like a major thing where it could be life threatening.)

i'm not a doctor but have used these methods in teh past when dealing with road rash from road cycling and it works well.

of course consult your doctor and take their advice before taking the advice of a bunch of schmoes on a motorcycle forum board.   [laugh]good luck.

no  ;D



no.  :P

Pain is temporary, glory lasts forever, besides chicks dig scars. well this one aint so glorious. 1 more and i make it to 10, easily recgnoizable scars. 3 of them on my legs. 3 on my face. and the others are scattered. awesome. lol

Damn bro! when did that happen? I still got the shock havent put it on yet but damn that looks painful. I use all the "herbal" stuff my mom gives me FDA approved or not and it has always seemed to work out fine, hows the bike?