I didn't take them, but they sure take your breath away...wow!
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It just doesn't seem real until you see pictures like these. Hearing it on the radio or reading it in the paper just doesn't do justice to the destruction.
Those are great photos! Thanks!
Quote from: Monster Dave on November 17, 2008, 12:11:31 PM
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Looks like a war-zone!
Thanks for sharing!
JM
nice pics......
Quote from: the_Journeyman on November 17, 2008, 12:22:08 PM
Looks like a war-zone!
Thanks for sharing!
JM
I know! It's insane isn't it!!
WOW :o
I rode through the Sylmar ash Saturday morning. Sucked. :-\ The run on the 33 was nice though and made up for it. ;D Too bad for the people though. On the way down from San Luis Obispo on Sunday I saw some 6 forestry fire fighter trucks going from Santa Barbara to LA.
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Awesome pics. The P-3 just became my new desktop pic. This is what I plan on doing someday after I finish flight training.
Awesome!
+1 -- absolutely stunning photography
Sad to see the destruction that has taken place so far this season. SoCal wildfires stroked by Santa Ana winds are unreal to watch and are fairly unpredictable.
Friends dad has a place up there amongst the burned out homes. Bye bye the vintage racecar, hotrods and the early racing Ducati collection he had as well as almost all their belongings. At least they made it out with the family photo album and a few bits of legal paperwork. Main thing is they made it out -- they can always rebuild later.
Stunning photos, just sad about all the heartache that comes with them :(
the tragedy is real.
i mean the real tragedy is that this happens every year in SOCAL.
in fact, its more regular than hurricanes on the gulf coast, or floods in the mississippi river valley.
Quote from: herm on November 18, 2008, 04:54:13 AM
the tragedy is real.
i mean the real tragedy is that this happens every year in SOCAL.
in fact, its more regular than hurricanes on the gulf coast, or floods in the mississippi river valley.
and yet... people still continue to build there. [bang]
Quote from: wbeck257 on November 18, 2008, 05:01:31 AM
and yet... people still continue to build there. [bang]
exactly my point ???
i know after the katrina season insurance was basically unobtainable for coastal residence.
is it the same for these people?
No because a lot of the people that lost their homes in the recent fires are wealthy people that can afford to pay high insurance rates and have a lot of influence. I don't mean to say that it's any easier for the wealthy to recover from tragedy like this because they still lost irreplaceable stuff but I've noticed how much more effort goes into saving the homes of the wealthy as opposed to the average people. Example: they never do air water drops at night and yet for the Montecito fire they had 2 going. Maybe that wasn't anything "special" but it seemed like more effort than usual to me.
Quote from: erkishhorde on November 18, 2008, 06:06:19 AM
No because a lot of the people that lost their homes in the recent fires are wealthy people that can afford to pay high insurance rates and have a lot of influence. I don't mean to say that it's any easier for the wealthy to recover from tragedy like this because they still lost irreplaceable stuff but I've noticed how much more effort goes into saving the homes of the wealthy as opposed to the average people. Example: they never do air water drops at night and yet for the Montecito fire they had 2 going. Maybe that wasn't anything "special" but it seemed like more effort than usual to me.
That's a different story. LA City was doing drops ALL NIGHT on Sayre and that was burning mobile homes. That's because LAFD has a policy where they will fly at night (as will LA County if they are specifically requested and there's a critical need), whereas CDF does not. It was an LA City fire, so they would fly it. If they were in Contra Costa, up here, for example, we have no aircraft, just CDF out of Santa Rosa (and God, it's nice to see them sometimes [and their dozers]). So we get no air at night. Such is life. Everywhere's different. :)
While I agree that some places are extremely high-risk for fire - I'm looking at you, northern / eastern SD County, with your wicked interface and no freakin' county fire dept; most of our extremely bad fires burn a couple to a few hundred houses. How many were destroyed in Katrina or Andrew? Or the Iowa floods? California has a lot of people and houses...
Holy Shit!!! :o
I guess snow aint that bad.
Quote from: B.Rock on November 18, 2008, 12:17:00 PM
That's a different story. LA City was doing drops ALL NIGHT on Sayre and that was burning mobile homes. That's because LAFD has a policy where they will fly at night (as will LA County if they are specifically requested and there's a critical need), whereas CDF does not. It was an LA City fire, so they would fly it. If they were in Contra Costa, up here, for example, we have no aircraft, just CDF out of Santa Rosa (and God, it's nice to see them sometimes [and their dozers]). So we get no air at night. Such is life. Everywhere's different. :)
While I agree that some places are extremely high-risk for fire - I'm looking at you, northern / eastern SD County, with your wicked interface and no freakin' county fire dept; most of our extremely bad fires burn a couple to a few hundred houses. How many were destroyed in Katrina or Andrew? Or the Iowa floods? California has a lot of people and houses...
feds also will not fly/drop retardant at night
too high risk for the pilots
[thumbsup]
Quote from: B.Rock on November 18, 2008, 12:17:00 PM
That's a different story. LA City was doing drops ALL NIGHT on Sayre and that was burning mobile homes. That's because LAFD has a policy where they will fly at night (as will LA County if they are specifically requested and there's a critical need), whereas CDF does not. It was an LA City fire, so they would fly it. If they were in Contra Costa, up here, for example, we have no aircraft, just CDF out of Santa Rosa (and God, it's nice to see them sometimes [and their dozers]). So we get no air at night. Such is life. Everywhere's different. :)
While I agree that some places are extremely high-risk for fire - I'm looking at you, northern / eastern SD County, with your wicked interface and no freakin' county fire dept; most of our extremely bad fires burn a couple to a few hundred houses. How many were destroyed in Katrina or Andrew? Or the Iowa floods? California has a lot of people and houses...
Ah, thank you for the extra info. It's nice when my synicism is proven unfounded and there is actually a valid reason to things. I remembered hearing that during the Montecito fire it was LA's fire chopper that was running at night but thought nothing of it because I didn't know any better.
The winds weren't bad at all in San Diego, just 50-100 miles away from some of the fires. Nature is amazing that way.
Last year's October fires, we weren't so lucky.
Here's my dad's 1991 Corvette ZR1...what was left of it. :-[ Not to mention the house.
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I'm actually amazed that anyone flies those missions at night. It's incredibly dangerous even during daylight hours. Fires create their own mini-weather systems. The heat can suck an aircraft right down to the ground. Flying those kinds of missions at night takes, well, big red hairy ones, not to put too fine a point on it.
And yes, I am a pilot.
Quote from: Craig Thomas on November 18, 2008, 03:51:54 PM
Here's my dad's 1991 Corvette ZR1...what was left of it. :-[ Not to mention the house.
Those pictures break my heart. :'( :'(
Hopefully its tearin' up heaven. [thumbsup]
Quote from: wbeck257 on November 18, 2008, 05:01:31 AM
and yet... people still continue to build there. [bang]
If they keep building, there won't be much left "wild" to catch on fire [thumbsup]
[roll]
Quote from: erkishhorde on November 18, 2008, 03:42:57 PM
Ah, thank you for the extra info. It's nice when my synicism is proven unfounded and there is actually a valid reason to things. I remembered hearing that during the Montecito fire it was LA's fire chopper that was running at night but thought nothing of it because I didn't know any better.
Glad I could help. [thumbsup]