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Title: Ducati recall? Post by: cdc on December 10, 2008, 08:31:36 PM Saw this posted in another forum. I have not confirmed it but those potentially affected might like to check it out.
Ducati 1098-1098S-1098 Tricolore-1098R-848 Recall December 10th, 2008 at 8:45 am by Paul Crowe - "The Kneeslider" Ducati has issued a recall for Ducati 1098 and 848 models for a charging system problem. Please read below for the specific models and details. Manufacturer: Ducati Models affected: 2007-2008 Ducati 1098 I saw this from another forum. 2007-2008 Ducati 1098 Tricolore 2008-2009 Ducati 1098R 2007-2008 Ducati 1098S 2008-2009 Ducati 848 NHTSA Campaign Number: 08V638000 Potential Units Affected: 7130 Problem: Ducati is recalling 7,130 model year 2007-2008 1098, 1098S, 1098 Tricolore, 1098R, and model year 2008-2009 848 motorcycles. The motorcycle charging system may be adversely affected by engine heat and stop operating. This results in damage to the voltage regulator and ensuing battery discharge. This can result in damage to the motorcycle and a potential hazard to the rider, increasing the risk of a crash. Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the voltage regulator, install a heat guard between the voltage regulator and the engine exhaust system, and install a modified battery support. The recall is expected to begin during December 2008. Owners may contact Ducati at 1-800-231-6696. cdc Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: caffeinejunkee on December 10, 2008, 08:57:25 PM Yikes!
Bryant--didn't you have yours replaced? Did they install the guard as well? Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: RichD on December 10, 2008, 09:21:08 PM Yikes! Bryant--didn't you have yours replaced? Did they install the guard as well? I had mine done a week before he did, but there was no heat shield or battery-box-bracket thingie installed... but I kinda saw this coming. They put the main power electrical and electronics in the worst possible place. Heat kills that stuff. Where is it installed? Right over the exhaust, just behind the radiator! [roll] Why the charcoal cannister got the good real estate in the fresh air flow I'll never know. Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: bryant8 on December 10, 2008, 09:28:55 PM From what I've read on the 1098 forum the kit for the guard isn't even readily available yet. As the recall was just initiated.
Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: El Matador on December 10, 2008, 09:31:53 PM I had mine done a week before he did, but there was no heat shield or battery-box-bracket thingie installed... but I kinda saw this coming. They put the main power electrical and electronics in the worst possible place. Heat kills that stuff. Where is it installed? Right over the exhaust, just behind the radiator! [roll] Why the charcoal cannister got the good real estate in the fresh air flow I'll never know. I mean what's the worst that could happen? (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/3053321929_ab036b2189.jpg?v=0) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/3053322795_6e9d3ce18a.jpg?v=0[img])http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3215/3054158628_17f4d49504.jpg?v=0[/img] [img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/3053327045_b1c5b1d145.jpg?v=0[img] Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: RichD on December 10, 2008, 10:06:49 PM I mean what's the worst that could happen? (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/3053321929_ab036b2189.jpg?v=0) ;D That actually looks like "flaming battery sydrome". It was caused by the starter going bad and esentially shorting the battery to itself... -Turning the batt into an angry little heater. Why did the starter go bad? Not enough gear reduction -it was working too hard. It was one of the early production "bugs" that got worked out in the first few months. The fix: All early 1098's got a different set of starter reduction gears and a new (I think higher torque) starter. BTDT! (not the fire part, but the "new parts" part) Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: Ronr on December 10, 2008, 10:11:19 PM ;D That actually looks like "flaming battery sydrome". It was caused by the starter going bad and esentially shorting the battery to itself... -Turning the batt into an angry little heater. Why did the starter go bad? Not enough gear reduction -it was working too hard. It was one of the early production "bugs" that got worked out in the first few months. The fix: All early 1098's got a different set of starter reduction gears and a new (I think higher torque) starter. BTDT! (not the fire part, but the "new parts" part) Is there anything on your bike that has not been replace?? Ducati should give you a new bike every year to wring out and find the problems. BTW, did you get my PM or email? I could use a clutch tool, and discuss oil leakage fixes in various places... ;D Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: RichD on December 10, 2008, 10:15:17 PM Is there anything on your bike that has not been replace?? Ducati should give you a new bike every year to wring out and find the problems. BTW, did you get my PM or email? I could use a clutch tool, and discuss oil leakage fixes in various places... ;D I'm have not got to email yet... work keeps interrupting -and only read the PM about Lisa (there are others I need to check) but I do have a home-brewed clutch tool if that is what you need Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: Ronr on December 10, 2008, 10:39:53 PM I'm have not got to email yet... work keeps interrupting -and only read the PM about Lisa (there are others I need to check) but I do have a home-brewed clutch tool if that is what you need I'd like to pull the clutch out this weekend if I can so I can check out that seal. Clutch friction plates do look a bit bare, so I may buy a new pack and use the old plates to fabricate a tool of my own at some point. I'm off Friday, but maybe when you're free I could swing by. I also found a major leak that AMS failed to locate during my pre-purchase inspection. The left engine case "plate" that covers the alternator/flywheel has a gasket that leaks pretty bad. Fresh oil and old muck on left side of engine, nowhere near the semi-leaky clutch on the right side that they told me about .... Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: El Matador on December 10, 2008, 10:52:06 PM I'd like to pull the clutch out this weekend if I can so I can check out that seal. Clutch friction plates do look a bit bare, so I may buy a new pack and use the old plates to fabricate a tool of my own at some point. I'm off Friday, but maybe when you're free I could swing by. I also found a major leak that AMS failed to locate during my pre-purchase inspection. The left engine case "plate" that covers the alternator/flywheel has a gasket that leaks pretty bad. Fresh oil and old muck on left side of engine, nowhere near the semi-leaky clutch on the right side that they told me about .... Ron, didya get a new 1098? Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: Ronr on December 10, 2008, 10:59:34 PM Ron, didya get a new 1098? Nope, I picked up a nice little fixer-upper 999 for a track bike. Has a few scars, but I think it will be a fun ride after a little TLC and some cursing. ;) Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: El Matador on December 10, 2008, 11:05:05 PM Nope, I picked up a nice little fixer-upper 999 for a track bike. Has a few scars, but I think it will be a fun ride after a little TLC and some cursing. ;) sweet! I'm guessing Mccain's? Did the same with the 996. One of the best decisions i've made [thumbsup] If you need someone to bondo/sand your bodyworks, lemme know ;) Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: RichD on December 10, 2008, 11:10:31 PM I'd like to pull the clutch out this weekend if I can so I can check out that seal. Clutch friction plates do look a bit bare, so I may buy a new pack and use the old plates to fabricate a tool of my own at some point. I'm off Friday, but maybe when you're free I could swing by. I also found a major leak that AMS failed to locate during my pre-purchase inspection. The left engine case "plate" that covers the alternator/flywheel has a gasket that leaks pretty bad. Fresh oil and old muck on left side of engine, nowhere near the semi-leaky clutch on the right side that they told me about .... Yes. Save old plates. They are handy for adjusting the thickness of clutch packs and playing around with extra wavy (or dished) spring plates or deleting them have a pronounced effect on the feel of the clutch (if you want to get picky)... and good for making hub tools too. Hell, I've got around 40K miles on the clutch in my SS... and the friction plates are thinner than paper ...the dust grooves disappeared about 10K ago... still doing just fine! If that left side cover has a gasket it was added aftermarket. CaCycleworks sells them (I think Chris Kelley had them tooled up) for both covers. (Left and Right) (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/img/altcvr_gasket.jpg) FYI: If you remove the gasket and just use sealant there could be clearance issues with the crank position sensor ...if the 999 has one on the side of the case -I'm not sure. (when you add the thickness of the gasket you throw away the crush washer under the sensor to keep the clearances the same) Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: RichD on December 10, 2008, 11:24:45 PM Is there anything on your bike that has not been replaced?? Ducati should give you a new bike every year to wring out and find the problems... No. It sounds like a good idea... but I'm not sure they can afford the beer-budget that sort of work requires. Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: Ronr on December 10, 2008, 11:30:58 PM Yes. Save old plates. They are handy for adjusting the thickness of clutch packs and playing around with extra wavy (or dished) spring plates or deleting them have a pronounced effect on the feel of the clutch (if you want to get picky)... and good for making hub tools too. Hell, I've got around 40K miles on the clutch in my SS... and the friction plates are thinner than paper ...the dust grooves disappeared about 10K ago... still doing just fine! If that left side cover has a gasket it was added aftermarket. CaCycleworks sells them (I think Chris Kelley had them tooled up) for both covers. (Left and Right) FYI: If you remove the gasket and just use sealant there could be clearance issues with the crank position sensor ...if the 999 has one on the side of the case -I'm not sure. (when you add the thickness of the gasket you throw away the crush washer under the sensor to keep the clearances the same) Interesting. I was assuming there was a gasket, but without tearing it down, I have no idea. Looks like a reasonable place for a gasket to me, at least if it were a Chevy. Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: Ronr on December 10, 2008, 11:33:31 PM sweet! I'm guessing Mccain's? Did the same with the 996. One of the best decisions i've made [thumbsup] If you need someone to bondo/sand your bodyworks, lemme know ;) Yes Very glad the 996 decision worked out for you, you never know 'til you try [thumbsup] Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: RichD on December 10, 2008, 11:54:49 PM Interesting. I was assuming there was a gasket, but without tearing it down, I have no idea. Looks like a reasonable place for a gasket to me, at least if it were a Chevy. If you look real close you can see the gasket if it is there. It is green material about .015-.020" thick. Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on December 11, 2008, 05:16:21 AM Ron, i have a motionpro clutch holding tool if you would like to give it a try.
(http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/633010832812544654CLUTCHHLDR.jpg) Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on December 11, 2008, 08:25:53 AM <offtopic> look, nothing against the poster, but this is seriously a dead and rotting horse. my 2cents are that when you take a look at the DFW board as a whole, you find one hell of a lot of moto-topics here. i know Slag even did some data analysis on that exact topic, and found that there was no shortage of moto threads, percentage-wise. what i don't get is when people want to dis the social aspect of our little association. i mean, seriously...if we don't have enough moto stufff in just the DFW area (which i think we most definitely DO), there's a LOT more on this board that satisfy anyone's needs. i get that there are a couple nonsense and spastic threads on here, but who cares? they're a fun way to waste time at work, at home, or while drunk. or all three! and if people don't think there's any moto content in "say anything thread" or wherever, then just don't open them...and you haven't wasted any time on them. i know i go through phases where i don't want to post in or look at some of those threads...but it's not a big deal. no drama needed.
anyway, i've just seen this comment or one's just like it so many times, and after a while, it gets really old, and it just keeps coming back up, and quite frankly just seems way off the mark. </offtopic> let me know if you need a hand with the clutch, Ron...i'd love to give you a hand with it; dry clutches are always fun to tear apart :) also i have a nice electric impact you can borrow as well if you need one for that clutch nut, and the 32mm socket Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: bentvalve on December 11, 2008, 09:23:50 AM No offense intended. Bad attempt at a joke. Won't happen again. Really appreciate the technical information in this thread. [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: cdc on December 11, 2008, 10:36:41 AM let me know if you need a hand with the clutch, Ron...i'd love to give you a hand with it; dry clutches are always fun to tear apart :) also i have a nice electric impact you can borrow as well if you need one for that clutch nut, and the 32mm socket Hey, McKraut, did you pull your clutch out yet? I'm actually glad you didn't get to do it that night. But maybe you already have it done. Anyway, can I get invited to either your clutch replacement party or RonR's engine tear down or both? cdc Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: bryant8 on December 11, 2008, 10:47:42 AM Just got off the phone w/ Derek over at AMS, the heat guards are not yet available.
My bike will be there this weekend for 7500 service. Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: Ronr on December 11, 2008, 11:06:39 AM McKraut - thanks for the offer. I was so concerned about getting the hub tool, I didn't even think to check the size of the hub nut. I don't think I have a 32, I'll have to check. I may holler at you later.
Ditto what cdc said. I'll bring the pickle vodka if I can come over and watch you do your clutch. Maybe we could all bring our projects over to the Warehome on Saturday while photoshooting is going on! [thumbsup] Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: bryant8 on December 11, 2008, 11:28:16 AM I'll be there for a wrenching session. Just let me know when/where [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: bullethead on December 11, 2008, 04:11:55 PM Oh oh me too I want to go!! I also want some critical Eyeballing on my bike. i.e. this is what you should do and that is not a good idea kind of thing.
I might convince Beth to come but it would be a hard sell with out a guitar to wield against McKraut. Title: Re: Ducati recall? Post by: calscrazy on December 11, 2008, 08:01:09 PM when i get to 15 k i am gonna pay someone to walk me thru a a valve job then the next time i am gonna do it myself. if i can rebuild a trans there aint no way i shouldn't be able to do my own valves. plus the master richd says it's super easy once you know how.
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