So the bowl season starts this weekend. What games are you guys looking forward to?
Me;
All the bowls with big ten teams. Especially the Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and Outback. I think Penn State has a better chance than most people are giving them. Their defense will keep them in the game and their style of offense is something that USC does not see much of. Confidance pick- Michgan State will beat a very over rated Georgia team.
Of course I am looking forward to the Fiesta Bowl. I learned my lesson on shit talking earlier this year but I do think the Buckeyes can beat Texas but probably won't. Here is my assessment; 1. They have not seen a defense anywhere near OSU's, 2. They have not seen a running back that can hold Beanie's jock. 3. Ohio State has trouble with running QB's so putting pressure on Colt is the key. Finally, I am curious to see how Texas gets up for this game. I watch a lot of sports television and all I hear is how Texas should be in the championsip game. I rarely hear anything about the matchup with the Buckeyes. Could be a really good game or could be a Texas blowout.
All the rest of the bowls are pretty good too.
I'd like to see Utah perform well against 'Bama whether they win or lose.
TCU-Boise should be good (or at least better than Cincinnati-Virginia Tech) - sucks those teams get a BCS bowl over the more deserving WAC/Mountain West schools. Cinci has overcome a lot this year, but I don't think they could beat TCU or Boise.
The only team less deserving of the bowl they are in is Notre Dame. That's a travesty. Nothing against them, there are just too many bowls and the bar is therefore set too low. Oh, and they had an awful year.
Title game should be pretty damn entertaining. At least there should be an offense on both teams this year.
Want to see JoPa get another Rose Bowl win.
Heck, I'd even like to see Ohio State redeem themselves by beating Texas, though I don't think it will happen. They're certainly playing better than they were in the beginning of the year. I just think Texas has to tools to beat anyone this season. And they're mad.
Should be some great games.
I would really like to see Utah pull one out too. They definetely have the team to do it. Really Alabama beat no one and got beat by the only good team they played.
The TCU/Boise game is probably the best non-bcs bowl.
Oh....I thought you were talking about actual bowling. :(
Or my favorite Fresno SKA Band!
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But to respond to your actual topic....GO BSU BRONCOS!!!!
WTF...undefeated season and you cant give them the Fiesta Bowl?? They did pretty good last time 8)
I'm happy that my little Demon Deacons are going to their third bowl game in a row, even if it is a very minor bowl game. Not bad for a school with about 4,000 undergrads.
Texas is going to have their way with the Buckeyes. And that isn't just the bitter little Michigan fan in me speaking.
You say Texas hasn't seen a RB the likes of Beanie? I agree. But Penn State is the closest thing that OSU has seen this year that resembles a Texas or an Oklahoma. And we all know how that one turned out.
I am interested to see how the Hawkeyes do against the 'cocks. Fact is though, Iowa was 12 points awy divided between 4 games away from a run themselves.
Let's compare some notes and they are a pretty good comparison considering they played alot of the same defenses...looks like Shonn Greene comes out WAY ahead of Beanie...just sayin'
G RUSH YDS YPG AVG TD REC YDS YPG AVG LNG TD
Shonn Greene
2008 Iowa (8-4) 12 278 1729 144.1 6.2 17 8 49 4.1 6.1 23 0
Chris "Beanie" Wells
2008 Ohio State (10-2) 9 191 1091 121.2 5.7 8 7 26 2.9 3.7 13 0
I understand that Wells missed 3 games due to injury but Greene rushed for over 100 yards in EVERY single game and failed to score a touchdown only once this season. Green rushed for 117 yards and 2 touchdowns against a Penn St. D that held Wells to 55 yards and no TDs. Wells vs. Wisconsin...168 yds and 1 TD...Greene, 217 and 4 TDs.
I am not by any means an Iowa fan but to say that Texas' D couldn't hold Beanie's jock is ridiculous in the extreme considering he isn't even close to the number 1 RB in the Big Ten for 2008 let alone the nation.
And not a single QB in the Big Ten (except maybe Juice) moves like Brennan.I think OSU, like in years past facing big name SEC team is in a rude awakening in their matchup with the Big 12 South.
Again, not a Texas fan by any means but OSU isn't on the same level as the Longhorns this year...not by a longshot.
I just got AMF Bowling for the Wii, pretty cool game...
Kind of hard to compare Beanie to Green when he played 3 more games and had 87 more carries. Also, our passing attacked sucked this year and teams loaded the box. I'm not saying Greene isn't good but Beanie is a way better back. Have you seen his stiff-arm?
Also, I know Greene isn't going anywhere but lets see where the NFL draft places him among running backs. I'd bet you 5 bucks he's the first taken if he goes.
I also didn't say the Texas D couldn't hold his jock I said they haven't faced a running back who could hold his jock.
Like I said Texas might have their way with us but if our defense can stop them a little and we can control the clock by running the ball well then we have a chance. Plus for once the lay off helps us. Pryor gets almost a whole spring's worth of practises as the starter. Now if Tressel comes out and sticks to the same old Tressel ball we will get crushed. I'm hoping he lets the D come out gunning for McCoy. If we blitz a lot and can get pressure on him we can get him to make mistakes. As for the offense we are going to have to test the not so good secondary of Texas to take pressure off of Pryor and Beanie because their D line is really pretty good. Orakpo or whatever is a beast.
By the way, what bowl is Michigan playing in? Sorry had to.
No bowl...but keep in mind a couple of things...first and foremost...
Team Years Won Lost Tied†Pct. Total Games
Michigan 128 869 286 36 .745 1,191
Ohio State 118 798 304 53 .714 1,155
All-Time Series Michigan leads, 57-42-6
Michigan - 11 National Titles
Ohio State - 7 Nationa Titles
And secondly,
Harry G. Kipke- He was the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines 1929-37. He helped the team to win four Big 10 titles. He guided the team to win two consecutive National Titles in 1932-33. The 1929 Wolverines finished the season a dismal last in the Big Ten. In the next 5 years, they would win 4 out of 5 Big Ten championships and back to back National Titles.
History tends to repeat itself.
No matter how much I want to piss kerosene on Tressel's sweater vest, I will be rooting for the Big Ten in the bowl games.
ANd back to Shonn Greene, I watched every televised game Beanie played in this year. I watched most that Greene played in. I will give you that Wells is a freight train runner. But when he needs finesse, he falls short. Greene on the other hand can bowl you over one play and have you tackling thin air the next. If I was an NFL coach, I would pick up Wells as a change of pace and 3rd down back. I would pick up Greene to be my star.
Dude your crazy. Beanie has no finesse? In the secondary he is just about untackleable. He doesn't need finesse when he can throw anyone two the ground or stiff arm someone into the end zone. Yes he is a freight train but what makes him different than other big backs is his speed and ability to make cuts. Now he might not be able to break someone's ankles like Barry Sanders but he does have a lot of agility.
Also, He might have missed only 3 games but he played hurt (and yes I know all running backs play hurt) for the whole season. How many running backs can have a torn ligment in their big toe of their plant foot and still be hurtling guys (Beanine did it 3 times this year). Besides playing hurt all year, our offfensive line save for maybe 2 games sucked the big one and he was getting pretty much everything on his own.
Enough of this anyways. We can both agree on wanting the Big Ten to win some bowl games.
Once again I am not trying to say that the Buckeyes are going to beat the Longhorns just that we have a better chance than most think.
You can look up all the stats from the 30's that you want and that won't change the fact that Rich Rod is not going to take Big Blow to 4 Big Ten titles and back to back National Championships.
I am a Texas fan, and of course OSU has a chance, particularly if Texas comes out flat. I'd much rather see us play USC because I know the team would be up for that. I mean, who wouldn't love another opportunity to whoop the Trojans? Now, OSU's a solid team. Pryor's got unbelievable talent and he's way further along than VY was as a passer early in his career. Course VY was a much better runner IMO.
The 'Horns do pretty well against the run except against Oklahoma State. I also think you underestimate our very young secondary some. Keep in mind Texas played a lot of man coverage against wide open spread offenses all year, so if the front does a reasonable job against the run, OSU's passing attack doesn't scare me at all.
Anyway, I respect the OSU program as do most Texas fans. I enjoy seeing the traditional football powers do well. I just hope Texas comes in fired up and blows OSU out on the 5th ;D
Quote from: JEFF_H on December 19, 2008, 11:39:28 AM
Oh....I thought you were talking about actual bowling. :(
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+1 Moving on to different thread...
I don't even LIKE soccer!!!
Swampduc, I can't agree with you more. I hope that both teams come out fired up and ready to go. It could end up being a very good game. A great offense against a great defense. I just can't wait for the 5th.
I wish you guys were playing USC too, I really wanted to play Alabama. They do not scare me at all. I think Utah as a great shot at upseting them.
I couldn't give a make the beast with two backs less about football, but I would like to point out that Louisiana Tech University is in the Independence Bowl GO BULLDOGS!!!!
Quote from: JEFF_H on December 19, 2008, 11:39:28 AM
Oh....I thought you were talking about actual bowling. :(
+2
**sorely disappointed**
make the beast with two backs it Dude, let's go bowling.
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I love to go bowling, but I haven't been in a while. Rum bowls, Scorpion bowls, Volcano bowls, I like them all.
Wow, I guess I should have named the thread something different. I really just wanted to discuss those who like football interest in the college football bowl season. Sorry for the confusion, I will change the title.
i can't wait til Ohio State gets their clocked clean for the third straight year in a bowl game
I'll watch the Cal & Nevada games since I'm an alumni of both. Cal can be painful to watch, expecially if Longshore is playing. Nevada's QB is really fun to watch...so long as he doesn't throw the ball too much! [laugh]
The Boise/TCU game should be really good. I hope Boise stomps them so that dumbass on ESPN will STFU about how Boise would have lost 4 games if they were in the Mountain West. The WAC is admittedly weak, but Boise is a good team and I believe is 4-0 against Mountain West teams over the last few years. BYU getting beat by an unranked Aizona team last week shows the Mountain West isn't all that tough either.
Finally...Ohio State getting the nod over Boise for a BCS game, even though Boise was ranked higher in every poll, is ridiculous and shows that college football is more about money than talent. Oh well...OSU will choke...thay always do! bwahaha ;D
Quote from: Triple J on December 22, 2008, 12:04:45 PM
Finally...Ohio State getting the nod over Boise for a BCS game, even though Boise was ranked higher in every poll, is ridiculous and shows that college football is more about money than talent. Oh well...OSU will choke...thay always do! bwahaha ;D
Doesn't have to be a choke for UT to win big. I think most feel that Texas is the better team, and OSU's very young on offense. Frankly I think they deserve to be there more than Boise, though. I know BSU won the Fiesta over OU using an assload of gadget plays and thanks to OU's worst qb in a decade; I just don't think they have the talent to play with the big boys on a regular basis. That's why they much prefer "bowl games" on the smurf turf (read: a mid-winter home game for Boise).
Quote from: swampduc on December 22, 2008, 01:37:58 PM
Doesn't have to be a choke for UT to win big. I think most feel that Texas is the better team, and OSU's very young on offense. Frankly I think they deserve to be there more than Boise, though. I know BSU won the Fiesta over OU using an assload of gadget plays and thanks to OU's worst qb in a decade; I just don't think they have the talent to play with the big boys on a regular basis. That's why they much prefer "bowl games" on the smurf turf (read: a mid-winter home game for Boise).
I agree...I'm sure they wouldn't be as dominant in a good conference, but they would still be very competitive. Over the last few years they have taken it to a few Mountain West and Pac-10 teams.
I'm not sure how you figure OSU deservies it more though. BSU is ranked higher than OSU in the BCS poll (right or wrong due to schedule). That fact alone should send BSU...otherwise, what is the point of the BCS rankings? Should the #5 team in the nation play for the national championship instead of the #2 team because they "deserve" it more? The highest ranked teams should go to the BCS bowls. OSU is going because of their fan base.
I don't think BSU prefers the Humanitarian Bowl...it's just the conference they're stuck in. BSU outplayed OU in the Fiesta Bowl....using players OU wouldn't even scout, so who cares if OSU's QB supposedly wasn't too good. He was good enough to get them there. It doesn't matter what happened 2 years ago anyway...it's a different year.
Boise state is ranked higher than the Buckeyes. Oh oh Boise state just lost what do you have to say now!!.
i told you that BSU didn't desereve it. Boise state loss oh well
OSU is going to lose too so that kind of evens out your theory and places us back where we began...
Quote from: metallimonster on December 23, 2008, 09:52:43 PM
Boise state is ranked higher than the Buckeyes. Oh oh Boise state just lost what do you have to say now!!.
i told you that BSU didn't desereve it. Boise state loss oh well
Dude...they lost by 1 point to the best defense in the country. They now have 1 loss against Mountain West teams. [roll]
If they would have gotten blown out I'd agree with you, but that was just a good game all around. [thumbsup] You did see the ESPN poll during the game where almost every state in the country (except Oklahoma [laugh]) thought they deserved to be in a BCS game, right? My opinion wasn't too far out on a limb here. ;)
Well...the Tide got rolled alright.
Another reason why none of these non-BCS teams should be counted out. The Utes showed the speed, confidence, and maturity normally reserved for...well teams like 'bama.
But *I* am looking forward totonight's Rick-Rolling of the Bukeyes by the Longhorns. Only time you will ever hear me rooting for a big 12 team this vocally.
HOOK 'EM HORNS!!!
Got my usual nerves since the 'Horns can be so damn inconsistent, but:
HOOK 'EM!
I guess we will see tonight. The Big 12 south hasn't been doing so good. It is easy to see what happens to those great Big 12 offenses and quarterbacks when they face better defenses. I'm really nervous too but I feel much better than I did last year when we kind of got screwed by the system. I didn't think we desereved to be in the championship game.
I will say that the BCS probably got it wrong this year. As much as I hate to say it, USC deserved to play for the title. They are at least the second if not the best team behind Florida.
Oh Yeah
Go Buckeyes
The Big 12 may not be doing that well this year (3-2)...but the Big 10 is doing horrible (1-5). Maybe the Pac-10 (5-0) isn't as weak as everyone was saying all year! ;)
I was actually surprised that USC handled Penn St. so easily. I thought they would win...but not quite as easy. Hard to say if they should be playing for the championship though, as Florida ,Texas, and Oklahoma are all great...
Personally I think they should do something about the Rose Bowl and USC. I know the Rose Bowl is always the Pac-10 and Big-10 champs...but it is essentially a home game for USC when they make it. Playing in such a familiar environment has to be a decent advantage, which seems unfair to me.
+1^^^^
Going to the Rose Bowl is an advantage for USC but the ties to bowl games is probably the biggest reason we don't have a playoff and of course cash. I still think it wouldn't matter if USC played Penn State in Happy Valley the would still spank them. Caroll is a tremendous coach. If he could just stop the flub ups in the PAC-10 he probably would have one 2 more National Championships by now. Wow, really surprised by the Pac-10. Watch out for Oregon next year. I think they have a shot at the title. Also, not saying the Big Ten is horrible because they played crappy. Northwestern blew it against Missouri. Hopefully the Buckeyes can bring a little respect back tonight. I just want this work day to be over so I get this damn game over with.
I really hope that within the next 5 years we have a playoff system in Division I football. They could still have the bowl games...the major ones (i.e., current BCS) would just be a part of rounds within the playoffs. They could rotate them so they all get a shot at hosting the championship game, and the higher playoff rounds. Basically, if you win your conference, you get into the playoff bowls...plus a couple at large bids. This would also eliminate USC's inherent Rose Bowl advantage.
Keep non-playoff bowls (non-BCS currently) for all the teams which don't make the playoffs.
This would force the Utahs and Boise States to quit pregnant doging...since they'd be in automatically for winning their conference. It'd also prove if they can hang with the big programs for more than a single game. For instance, they may squeek by a Big 10 team in the 1st round...only to get waxed by a Pac-10 team in the second (or maybe not). Question answered...but I think it would make bowl season much more exciting. [coffee]
I haven't really heard a whole lot of pregnant doging out of the Utah camp.
Mostly they have been rather modest about it all.
We can break it down a bit to...
Oregon State beat USC...Utah beat Oregon State.
Utah beat Alabama who beat Ole Miss who beat Florida.
The biggest problem with the bowl selection system as it stands is money is too much of a factor. I.E. Pick the team with a bigger fan base or television draw over the team that has a proven ability to win games.
Just wish that there was a perfect system but then the Buckeyes would have to lose everygame. (Why yes...I am a jaded Michigan Fan) ;-)
You know what sucks? If Michigan was playing Texas tonight I would be cheering for Michigan the whole time. You can hate the Buckeyes all you want but don't you want your conference to look as good as possible?
Oh by the way its been 1,871 days since Michigan has beat Ohio State in Football. Yeah we keep track of those things. ;D
Well what can I say. We played a great game and didn't have Beanie for most of the second half. Just one gripe. Texas was pretty much handed 15 yards on a plate by that bullshit roughing the passer call in the third quarter.
Quote from: metallimonster on January 05, 2009, 01:48:37 PM
You know what sucks? If Michigan was playing Texas tonight I would be cheering for Michigan the whole time. You can hate the Buckeyes all you want but don't you want your conference to look as good as possible?
Oh by the way its been 1,871 days since Michigan has beat Ohio State in Football. Yeah we keep track of those things. ;D
I will give it up for the incredible game both teams played! [clap] That freshman QB for OSU is awesome and will only get h*ll of a lot better!! :o
If it were any other BIG-10 team..Penn State, Iowa, etc. I would be cheering for them..but since it's TX!!
You saw the beginning of the game though, right? I thought I saw that UM was still #1 for all-time wins? What..by at least 50 over #5 or #6 OSU?? ;D
Congrats to OSU on tons of heart. I and most other Texas fans already had lots of respect for OSU's program, and I've got even more now. I actually expected Beanie Wells to have 150 - 200 yds rushing before the game, and his loss hurt them. Terrell Pryor is going to be something else when his accuracy improves.
If I have a gripe, it's that Texas played poorly, but whose fault is that? I haven't seen Colt miss that many open recievers all year, and the offensive coordinator, Greg Davis, went passive as hell with the playcalling. He used to call games this way a few yrs ago, and that's why most fans wanted him fired.
I'm glad we weren't up against Florida playing like that; we would have gotten our asses handed to us.
Quote from: metallimonster on January 05, 2009, 01:48:37 PM
You know what sucks? If Michigan was playing Texas tonight I would be cheering for Michigan the whole time. You can hate the Buckeyes all you want but don't you want your conference to look as good as possible?
Oh by the way its been 1,871 days since Michigan has beat Ohio State in Football. Yeah we keep track of those things. ;D
I love the conference and 9 times out of ten I would root for the Big Ten over any other conference. What makes me anti-Ohio State is that they cry and whine and say they DESERVE to be in their last 2 BCS Championship games and then they forget to get on the plane for the game. I just feel there have been more deserving teams with bigger heart getting jacked by the system who have simply had some dignity in the whole process while Ohio State cries about being robbed and then blows the 2 opportunities they are given.
That being said, Ohio State played one hell of a game of football tonight. They impressed me several times and Pryor is going to be fearsome in the coming years. I don't usually get emotionally charged for games but Ohio State played with alot of heart and I commend them. But if I see tomorrow Tressel or Laurenitis complaining about the officiating calls, it's right back on the Buck the make the beast with two backseyes express for me! ;)
And while we are on the subject of statistics, let's go back to 1929 when Michigan had a worse season than this with a first year coach. But then let us note that the next 4 out of 5 Big Ten titles including 2 national championships came over the next 5 years. Oh yeah...and it would take approximately 6 years of Michigan losing every single game and Ohio State winning every single game to get to Michigan's number of wins. And we won't go into the all time record between UofM and OSU. ;D
Anyway, your Buckeyes played one hell of a game of football. I commend them.
Good game by OSU. [clap] Definitely did better than I thought they would. I'll give it to them that they deserved to be there over BSU. [thumbsup]
Quote from: metallimonster on January 05, 2009, 09:01:45 PM
Just one gripe. Texas was pretty much handed 15 yards on a plate by that bullshit roughing the passer call in the third quarter.
+1 That was a BS call that led to a TD. :-\
That was a great game. OSU had it won, but just couldn't close the deal on defense.
OSU shouldn't have be 7.5 point dogs. Any team w/ Pryor/Wells type players is going to be a tall order. I'm a Texas Alum and wouldn't have given OSU 7.5 points at the onset.
Pryor is going to give Big 10 (err 11 since they can't count) defenses fits for the next few years. He looked solid, a little bit more accuracy and he'll be a huge threat to any team in the country.
Congrats to Ohio State on a great season! I hope to see them next January. [thumbsup]