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I'm not sure what to say.
I'm laughing because it's so astonishing. But I'm crying for those children.
We're in crazy land.
tweakers
Ironic. A fascist government taking away children because they have names related to a previous fascist regime.
That's just cuz they lived in NJ.
If they lived in Idaho, they just would have made them move to the northern part of the state. [roll]
<chappell voice>
If you've got in hate in your heart, let it out.
white power.
If'n lm and I ever have kids (twins to be exact)
I'm going to name them Idi and Amin
their first words wil be.......
wait for it................
wait.......
ready?
Da Da
I don't get it
Quote from: Mother on January 14, 2009, 11:09:56 AM
I don't get it
silly hill folk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin)
Quote from: bobspapa on January 14, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
silly hill folk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin)
oh
dada, use to call him popop
yeah, I use to run guns with that guy back in '62
jovial sort
but
couldn't hold his liquor on long flights
Quote from: Mother on January 14, 2009, 11:22:02 AM
oh
dada, use to call him popop
yeah, I use to run guns with that guy back in '62
jovial sort
but
couldn't hold his liquor on long flights
you are so weird
Quote from: silentbob on January 14, 2009, 10:46:53 AM
Ironic. A fascist government taking away children because they have names related to a previous fascist regime.
[laugh] It was to control the competition!
Quote from: JBubble on January 14, 2009, 11:23:22 AM
you are so weird
and yet..... there you go a run'n to it [laugh]
Quote from: bobspapa on January 14, 2009, 11:24:33 AM
and yet..... there you go a run'n to it [laugh]
yeah, so did popop
he had a thing for hatin' on us slanty eyes but i would just get him drunk and tickle his feet with a feather
and he would be all black santa for the evening
I heard that around '69-'70 somebody threw that old feather out
poor bastards, i told them to leave that old feather in that ratty old hat
but I guess they didn't listen
Quote from: Mother on January 14, 2009, 11:27:43 AM
yeah, so did popop
he had a thing for hatin' on us slanty eyes but i would just get him drunk and tickle his feet with a feather
and he would be all black santa for the evening
I heard that around '69-'70 somebody threw that old feather out
poor bastards, i told them to leave that old feather in that reatty old hat
but I guess they didn't listen
Careful, things are getting all Wyrd in here...... [roll]
Quote from: Mother on January 14, 2009, 11:27:43 AM
yeah, so did popop
he had a thing for hatin' on us slanty eyes but i would just get him drunk and tickle his feet with a feather
and he would be all black santa for the evening
I heard that around '69-'70 somebody threw that old feather out
poor bastards, i told them to leave that old feather in that ratty old hat
but I guess they didn't listen
OMG. you need to go to bed.
ps, i like your slanty eyes [thumbsup]
Quote from: silentbob on January 14, 2009, 10:46:53 AM
Ironic. A fascist government taking away children because they have names related to a previous fascist regime.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Was there another reason for them removing the children (i.e. abuse), or were they removed because the local protection services didn't like their beliefs. If the latter I'd expect a lawsuit.
I think it's sickening what those parents are teaching their children (or I should say what it seems like they are since I don't know other than a news article)...but they have that right.
Well that's just freakin' PITIFUL! Now I feel like I have to stick up for a family of racist asshats! Thanks so much!
no kidding. there better be more to their removal than just the names.
talk about having to defend the rights of someone you'd spend a lifetime opposing.
I will keep quiet on this one, you will have to look at were I live to understand :o
well you made me look
I agree with that
This has been going on for a while up here. A shame. The ones that are going to pay for this are the kids
Quote from: Triple J on January 14, 2009, 11:47:49 AM
... Was there another reason for them removing the children (i.e. abuse), or were they removed because the local protection services didn't like their beliefs. If the latter I'd expect a lawsuit.
...
Ya I was wondering that. You would assume right. Article says child protection services won't comment on these cases. Understandable, but, as a concept, they snag people's kids. Taking children away from their parents is about as hardcore as you can get. It'd be nice to know it was for good reason other than, 'very bad choice of names.'
I'm from Idaho and in the north part of the state and would pay to be the first to slap both of those
so called parents. You have to factor in the 'tease factor' when choosing a name for your kid.
That and not just be general retards too (the parents I mean)
And if you name your little boy Jane he better gorw up big and strong. [laugh]
Quote from: VisceralReaction on January 15, 2009, 10:06:15 AM
I'm from Idaho and in the north part of the state and would pay to be the first to slap both of those
so called parents. You have to factor in the 'tease factor' when choosing a name for your kid.
That and not just be general retards too (the parents I mean)
And if you name your little boy Jane he better gorw up big and strong. [laugh]
i thought parents did things like that to make sure the kid grows up big and strong.
i'm waiting to hear more on the story. i can't wrap my head around the kids being taken away because the gov't disagreed with their beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BJfDvSITY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BJfDvSITY)
13 should have some insite to whacky government shit like this
he had to submit a name request or some such madness to his gubment in order to name his daughter
Quote from: bobspapa on January 14, 2009, 11:08:50 AM
If'n lm and I ever have kids (twins to be exact)
I'm going to name them Idi and Amin
their first words wil be.......
wait for it................
wait.......
ready?
Da Da
BWAHAHAHA!
That's it, ya'll have to have kids.
YAY!! I'm glad that freedoms of expression and speech have limits. What would we do if the gov't wasn't there to tell us how to live better lives? The gov't does everything better than we could ever do for ourselves. [roll]
I don't agree personally with naming kids that....so I won't do that to my kids. But it's a long way from abuse (i.e hitting, touching them in their "area", or telling them they are garbage).
Interesting, it took until 2009, not 1984, for "Thought Police" to emerge. [coffee]
Quote from: sleeperbold on January 15, 2009, 11:08:25 AM
YAY!! I'm glad that freedoms of expression and speech have limits. What would we do if the gov't wasn't there to tell us how to live better lives? The gov't does everything better than we could ever do for ourselves. [roll]
I don't agree personally with naming kids that....so I won't do that to my kids. But it's a long way from abuse (i.e hitting, touching them in their "area", or telling them they are garbage).
Interesting, it took until 2008, not 1984, for "Thought Police" to emerge. [coffee]
You do know that it was stated the reasons behind this removal have not been made public and therefore, aren't known?
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 15, 2009, 11:15:25 AM
You do know that it was stated the reasons behind this removal have not been made public and therefore, aren't known?
True, but I do remember reading the original cake story http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081217/ap_on_fe_st/odd_hitler_cake and the parents don't seem crazy, just attention hungry.
"Heath Campbell said he named his son after Adolf Hitler because he liked the name and because "no one else in the world would have that name."
"Campbell said he was raised not to avoid people of other races but not to mix with them socially or romantically. But he said he would try to raise his children differently."
"Say he grows up and hangs out with black people. That's fine, I don't really care," he said. "That's his choice."
"He said about 12 people attended the birthday party Sunday, including several children of mixed race."
So based on that, I think there was probably just furor and phone calls from "concerned citizens" to have the folks checked out. I still disagree with removing the kids. Interview the parents etc, but just swooping down like this? I don't think so.
Don't seem crazy?
What would you call naming your kids those names?
Don't tell me you'd be surprised when they are picked on, beaten up, and miserable, daily.
What sick SOB does that to someone they care about?
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 15, 2009, 11:42:23 AM
Don't seem crazy?
What would you call naming your kids those names?
Don't tell me you'd be surprised when they are picked on, beaten up, and miserable, daily.
What sick SOB does that to someone they care about?
Again, I would not name my kids that. I have a unique name and I can appreciate the various troubles associated with going to school and not being named John, Bill, Mike, or Jason etc.
But what would I call "naming your kids those names"?
I would call it Personal Preference.
Just as I have a personal preference for riding a Ducati, eating hazelnut gelato, or naming my dog Rubens after F1 racer Rubens Barrichello. If the kids don't like it, then one day when they are adults, they can change there name to John Smith or whatever they like. But it's not the gov'ts place, or ours for that matter, to tell these parents how to raise there kids or what to name them. Sure, if there is proof of the usual abuses (mental, physical, sexual) then yeah do something, but no one can prove that simply giving a child a name some, even most, may find controversial is abuse.
And btw, I know people that think Ducati owners are "sick SOBs" for putting up with high maintenance costs etc... I think the word is "Perspective"
Quote from: sleeperbold on January 15, 2009, 11:57:34 AM
Again, I would not name my kids that. I have a unique name and I can appreciate the various troubles associated with going to school and not being named John, Bill, Mike, or Jason etc.
But what would I call "naming your kids those names"?
I would call it Personal Preference.
Just as I have a personal preference for riding a Ducati, eating hazelnut gelato, or naming my dog Rubens after F1 racer Rubens Barrichello. If the kids don't like it, then one day when they are adults, they can change there name to John Smith or whatever they like. But it's not the gov'ts place, or ours for that matter, to tell these parents how to raise there kids or what to name them. Sure, if there is proof of the usual abuses (mental, physical, sexual) then yeah do something, but no one can prove that simply giving a child a name some, even most, may find controversial is abuse.
And btw, I know people that think Ducati owners are "sick SOBs" for putting up with high maintenance costs etc... I think the word is "Perspective"
+2
Quote from: sleeperbold on January 15, 2009, 11:57:34 AM
Again, I would not name my kids that. I have a unique name and I can appreciate the various troubles associated with going to school and not being named John, Bill, Mike, or Jason etc.
But what would I call "naming your kids those names"?
I would call it Personal Preference.
Just as I have a personal preference for riding a Ducati, eating hazelnut gelato, or naming my dog Rubens after F1 racer Rubens Barrichello. If the kids don't like it, then one day when they are adults, they can change there name to John Smith or whatever they like. But it's not the gov'ts place, or ours for that matter, to tell these parents how to raise there kids or what to name them. Sure, if there is proof of the usual abuses (mental, physical, sexual) then yeah do something, but no one can prove that simply giving a child a name some, even most, may find controversial is abuse.
And btw, I know people that think Ducati owners are "sick SOBs" for putting up with high maintenance costs etc... I think the word is "Perspective"
+3
well said. naming a child poorly does not equate to child abuse.
Quote from: COWBOY on January 15, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
+3
well said. naming a child poorly does not equate to child abuse.
bullshit
naming your kid Adolph Hitler in europe is like naming your kid N***er Hater in the U.S. and sending him to an all black school
abuse will happen because of it
Quote from: sleeperbold on January 15, 2009, 11:57:34 AM
Again, I would not name my kids that. I have a unique name and I can appreciate the various troubles associated with going to school and not being named John, Bill, Mike, or Jason etc.
But what would I call "naming your kids those names"?
I would call it Personal Preference.
Just as I have a personal preference for riding a Ducati, eating hazelnut gelato, or naming my dog Rubens after F1 racer Rubens Barrichello. If the kids don't like it, then one day when they are adults, they can change there name to John Smith or whatever they like. But it's not the gov'ts place, or ours for that matter, to tell these parents how to raise there kids or what to name them. Sure, if there is proof of the usual abuses (mental, physical, sexual) then yeah do something, but no one can prove that simply giving a child a name some, even most, may find controversial is abuse.
And btw, I know people that think Ducati owners are "sick SOBs" for putting up with high maintenance costs etc... I think the word is "Perspective"
No, just no , I'm not saying naming kids like that is abuse. That has not been said by anyone in this thread. I've been saying it's make the beast with two backsing stupid, not abuse. What I
AM making noise about is anyone saying those kids should not be taken away from their family because of their names. We don't know why they were taken away. We don't, so people saying this is fascist and unacceptable-well, we don't know that.
Quote from: Mother on January 15, 2009, 12:19:45 PM
bullshit
naming your kid Adolph Hitler in europe is like naming your kid N***er Hater in the U.S. and sending him to an all black school
abuse will happen because of it
Or naming your kid Hussein in this country. Oops wait a minute. [roll]
Free Speech isn't a right of convenience. Nor is it a popularity contest. The parents have the right to name their kids anything they want for whatever reason they want.
I am against everything I've read about these people politically but I'd defend their rights to my last breath, period.
Quote from: COWBOY on January 15, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
Or naming your kid Hussein in this country. Oops wait a minute. [roll]
Free Speech isn't a right of convenience. Nor is it a popularity contest. The parents have the right to name their kids anything they want for whatever reason they want.
I am against everything I've read about these people politically but I'd defend their rights to my last breadth, period.
sure, I agree with you
if they lived in the US
but they don't
and as a side note
hussein is a common name throughout persia
it doesn't even come close to the anamosity felt in Europe over Adolp Hiter
Saddam might be different
but
he gassed a few hundred thousand
He didn't start WW2
Maybe they should have not made such a big deal about a make the beast with two backsing birthday cake.... Or learn to bake a cake.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#28286392 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#28286392)
Quote from: COWBOY on January 15, 2009, 12:26:46 PM
Or naming your kid Hussein in this country. Oops wait a minute. [roll]
Free Speech isn't a right of convenience. Nor is it a popularity contest. The parents have the right to name their kids anything they want for whatever reason they want.
I am against everything I've read about these people politically but I'd defend their rights to my last breadth, period.
+3
Ya free speech, good
Bad names, kinda stupid, but stupid is a right like speech***
+4
Why they were taken away???
I think this story would never have gotten press amongst all the seriously abused kids everywhere getting taken away.
This story seems to have got big ONLY because of their names. They are being made a circus of because of it. See "right to be stupid"***
I kind of have this visual of a kid chained to a toilette and a shotgun in the corner, pit pull asleep in baby crib... - ALL ASSUMPTIONS. See "right to be stupid"***
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 15, 2009, 12:26:06 PM
No, just no , I'm not saying naming kids like that is abuse. That has not been said by anyone in this thread.
See Mothers post above yours
Quote from: Mother on January 15, 2009, 12:31:54 PM
sure, I agree with you
if they lived in the US
but they don't
and as a side note
hussein is a common name throughout persia it doesn't even come close to the anamosity felt in Europe over Adolp Hiter. Saddam might be different but
he gassed a few hundred thousand He didn't start WW2
1. if Barracks parents weren't US citizens he wouldn't be eligible for President. So arguing his name is Persian is about as dumb as my arguing Adolf is a common Austrian name. In either case arguing either is a stupid exercise because neither means squat about the person so named.
2. To MrI's point we don't know if there's more to the story -- yet. Up to this point the only thing that has been reported to be outside the norm is the names.
3. You may want to live in a place where you are protected from things that might lead to abuse or damage or personal pain and where a Mother State guarantees you only hear the things that make you feel warm and IZ_. Unfortunately our Constitution guarantees otherwise, thank god.
Just to throw gas on the fire:
The 3rd child is named after:
"Heinrich Luitpold Himmler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler) head of the Schutzstaffel (SS). As SS he oversaw all police and security forces, including the Gestapo.
As overseer of concentration camps, extermination camps, and Einsatzgruppen (literally: task forces, often used as killing squads), Himmler coordinated the killing of millions of Jews, between 200,000 and 500,000 Roma,[1][2] many prisoners of war, and possibly another three to four million Poles, communists, or other groups whom the Nazis deemed unworthy to live or simply 'in the way', which included homosexuals and those with physical and mental disabilities. "
I'm trying to wrap my head around this. wow. I guess that's the point of all the media.
Yeah, I don't think anyone would argue that naming your children in the manner that this couple did is not the smartest idea, for any number of reasons. However, I prefer to live next to, and have beers with ( i add this part simply because i am not white), with a guy named Adolf Hitler Campbell than to live in a country where what you name your children, among other things, has to be approved by the govt. Yes there are countries out there like that. I believe Sweden is among them (something about a couple wanting to name their kid "Metallica") and in Germany it is actually against the law to name your child Adolf. Mr Incredible is right, the kids could have been taken away for any number of reasons, maybe they had a meth lab in the basement or something, and the story is getting press because of the controversial names.
Quote from: COWBOY on January 15, 2009, 12:43:41 PM
See Mothers post above yours
1. if Barracks parents weren't US citizens he wouldn't be eligible for President. So arguing his name is Persian is about as dumb as my arguing Adolf is a common Austrian name. In either case arguing either is a stupid exercise because neither means squat about the person so named.
What?
what does that have to do with anything?
Hussein is a persian name
and a common one
it means king
Adolph may very well be a common name in austria and germany
Adolph
Hitler is not
You can tout free speach and free choice all you want to
naming your kid Adolph Hitler is stupid and nanny state or not
it is cruel to do to your child
you might get a way with it here with some looks and head shakes
In Europe it is going to get you beaten
Quote from: Mother on January 15, 2009, 06:38:22 PM
What?
what does that have to do with anything?
Hussein is a persian name
and a common one
it means king
Adolph may very well be a common name in austria and germany
Adolph Hitler is not
You can tout free speach and free choice all you want to
naming your kid Adolph Hitler is stupid and nanny state or not
it is cruel to do to your child
you might get a way with it here with some looks and head shakes
In Europe it is going to get you beaten
Didn't realize
NJ
was now
part of Europe.
My
Bad.
[roll]
Disturbing?
Yes.
Criminal?
No.
Child Abuse?
or
Child Endangerment?
No.
Do you
also
Burn
Books?
Quote from: COWBOY on January 15, 2009, 07:17:23 PM
Didn't realize
NJ
was now
part of Europe.
My
Bad.
[roll]
Disturbing?
Yes.
Criminal?
No.
Child Abuse?
or
Child Endangerment?
No.
Do you
also
Burn
Books?
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I read "holland"
<brakes>
Since this did happen on US soil then...well shit
I'm wrong
Phew!
We're all good then.
First round on me.
Cheers
[drink]
Quote from: COWBOY on January 15, 2009, 07:26:41 PM
Phew!
We're all good then.
First round on me.
Cheers
[drink]
;D
I was sitting here thinking you were coming completely out of left field
now it all makes sense