Thought it might be good to give everyone something else to b****, oops I mean discuss ;) regarding the New M1100S
here is a run from today... M1100S vs Multi vs Hyper http://ducatiseattle.smugmug.com/photos/455000198_mCHv8-X3.jpg
not sure why the picture is so IZ_...
(http://ducatiseattle.smugmug.com/photos/455000198_mCHv8-X3.jpg)
I love it when a dealer stirs the shitpot. ;D
Quote from: Court-Jester on January 14, 2009, 05:05:07 PM
I love it when a dealer stirs the shitpot. ;D
Makes me wanna move to Seattle. ;D
Impressive power curve for the new Monster. [thumbsup]
Quote from: pompetta on January 14, 2009, 05:17:42 PM
Makes me wanna move to Seattle. ;D
Impressive power curve for the new Monster. [thumbsup]
I know, I wonder if I can talk my Fiance into a layover there on the way to our honeymoon. I doubt that will go over well though [laugh]
impressive yes, I still like how the torque on the HM1100S comes in so early though.
Quote from: Court-Jester on January 14, 2009, 05:26:46 PM
I know, I wonder if I can talk my Fiance into a layover there on the way to our honeymoon. I doubt that will go over well though [laugh]
Please do !
Quote from: Dave R on January 14, 2009, 05:36:16 PM
Please do !
Im liable to steal the 93 SL though [evil]
God I want that. [laugh]
Quote from: Court-Jester on January 14, 2009, 05:37:43 PM
Im liable to steal the 93 SL though [evil]
God I want that. [laugh]
oh darn ! at the price it is at now, it is a great deal for sure
Nice..... in stock form it's nearly equal to my S2R1K which has full Arrows, open lid & the HM DP ECU.......should pick up nicely with a DP ECU & some pipes [thumbsup]
Mine did 84.5 HP & 64.8 Ft/lbs TQ at the rear wheel on a Dyno Jet dyno. Guess I should keep it ;)
SO, what do you think makes the difference between the 3 motors?
Quote from: NAKID on January 14, 2009, 07:08:32 PM
SO, what do you think makes the difference between the 3 motors?
I think it's the airbox.......... they're small on the HM & MS
Quote from: NAKID on January 14, 2009, 07:08:32 PM
SO, what do you think makes the difference between the 3 motors?
I just posted this on our local club forum answering that same question [thumbsup]
The possible explanation can be the fact that we have three different engines here.. 1st generation 1100DS motor in the Hyper, 2nd generation in the MTS with wet clutch, 3rd generation the new M1100S. New engine cases, redesign on some internals, exhaust etc, AND it also uses the new Siemens FI with dual lambda sensors. It's not noticeable on this chart but there is less of the "EPA dip" at 3500 as well. All three bikes were all floor demos with around 150+ miles on each, but they were done on different days and weather conditions but all on our Dyno in the room Marty at the grip.. You can also "feel" the difference in the engine and the way it grabs RPM's... it feels crisp [moto]
Come find out for yourself.. 6-7 days of sun coming up (http://"http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USWA0395?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared"), a 2009 RED M1100S (http://"http://www.pnwfx.net/photos/452233468_sy4Fj-L.jpg") Demo ready to go and so is an 09 MTS1100 and a Hyper 1100 (http://"http://www.pnwfx.net/photos/167901497_o5wSd-L-1.jpg"), come compare all three.. back to back. All we ask is that you give us your feedback, if you like it and want one.. We have both a red and a white in the house for sale.. The "Art Bike" (http://"http://monster.ducatiusa.com/img/seattle/monster5.jpg")is not for sale quite yet.
Duc seattle uses a superflow dyno which typically reads lower than a Dynojet.
They know there stuff around tuning with a dyno.
For you 4v guys, have them build and tune a 1080 motor for you. (http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/photopost/watermark.php?file=2040&size=1)
Quote from: Dave R on January 14, 2009, 05:02:19 PM
Thought it might be good to give everyone something else to b****, oops I mean discuss ;)
Looks nice. [thumbsup]
Now all I have to do is figure out how to print a copy big enough to cover the bike itself so I can't see how ugly it is.
[cheeky]
Quote from: Rameses on January 14, 2009, 10:17:14 PM
Looks nice. [thumbsup]
Now all I have to do is figure out how to print a copy big enough to cover the bike itself so I can't see how ugly it is.
[cheeky]
Would you have preferred a Terblanche designed new Monster ?? [laugh]
Quote from: Dave R on January 14, 2009, 10:32:25 PM
Would you have preferred a Terblanche designed new Monster ?? [laugh]
Wouldn`t that have been called a Classic then ;D
Quote from: Dave R on January 14, 2009, 10:32:25 PM
Would you have preferred a Terblanche designed new Monster ?? [laugh]
Sure. If it looked as good as the Hyper.
;D
Quote from: Big Troubled Bear on January 14, 2009, 10:36:15 PM
Wouldn`t that have been called a Classic then ;D
No, just tasteful.
just did a little count, for us the monster 696 has been more successful out of the gate in sales than the Hyper. From July of 2007 to current we have retailed 46 hypers, M696 since May of 2008 we have sold 32 696's. I have no doubt we will sell more M1100's this year again over Hypers.. Don't get me wrong, we love the HYM, the Monster just appeals to more of a mainstream customer and will outsell the HYM hands down IMO.
That's cuz the Hyper is a girl's bike. 8)
so,.............what if i want an 1100ds engine in my s2r1k?
possible?
worth it?
Quote from: JEFF_H on January 15, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
That's cuz the Hyper is a girl's bike. 8)
You shutchyer mouth!! >:(
[cheeky]
It's true.
My wife rides one.
she's a girl.
I checked.
I'll see if she'll me check again when i get home if you want ;D
Quote from: herm on January 15, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
so,.............what if i want an 1100ds engine in my s2r1k?
possible?
worth it?
Go with some hi-comp big bore pistons.
SteveG here has an M1k with 'em, light flywheel too.
It's an animal. [thumbsup]
Quote from: NAKID on January 14, 2009, 07:08:32 PM
SO, what do you think makes the difference between the 3 motors?
this is more simple than you think
forget about the engine cases etc, that is going to have nothing to do with motor performance, all three motors are the same, but the big difference between the Hyper and Multi motors when compared to the new Monster motor is the cams and fuel air mapping and as someone else previously stated the Hyper and Multi suffer from small airboxs which will have an ill effect on overall power output.
If you were to bench mark these motors out of the bike the only difference would be the cams and obviously when you make a change to the cams you need to make appropriate changes to the fuel air mapping
figure the Hyper motor was lifted from the Multi which was designed as more of an adventure tourer so the likely-hood that the target rider would treat it like a sport bike and rev the crap out of was not so likely it made more sense to contour the power curve to low end torque, the Monster on the other hand is more of a Hooligans bike (as history dictates) I would say the Hyper is more of a hooligan bike now days but for the sake of the conversation lets say the Monster is a hooligan bike and designed to rev hence the higher power output at higher RPMs
I know, long winded but in short there is no difference between the motors themselves, just cams and ecu work, yeah the case covers are different but I think that is more for asthetics and cost savings (the new sand cast covers are most likely cheaper to make) not to mention they are prob lighter than than the Hypers magnesium ones.
I do know that the Hypers transmissions has the 1st couple gears case hardened, I honestly dont know if that is the same across the board for the other motors, I would assume so but who knows.
on the 695 vs 696 they worked the chambers a bit. wonder if they did the same type of work on the M1100
Here's another view... Stock 2008 S2R1000 vs 2009 M1100S. the 21 less lbs weight wouldn't hurt this performance either !
(http://ducatiseattle.smugmug.com/photos/455903949_LhgUd-L.jpg)