Ducati Monster Forum

Ok, I'm no angel. 
I've done my share of VS/DML bashing.
I posted things that got me banned.
I bragged about what I did.

Yes some of it was funny.
Yes, we needed to get the word out.

Now, with 1316 members as I type this, I feel we are becoming a legitimate Ducati Monster forum.

But how does it look when someone who has little to no knowledge of the pre VS/DML, when they come in here and see 20 threads devoted to bashing the DML, especially if they are coming here to learn about the Monster or get help with their bike.

If I were new to this GREAT COMMUNITY, I'd probably wonder how legitimate of an Owners Forum it was if all I read was bashing of another forum.

I am not happy with where the DML went, and I know many of you agree.  If we want this to become as great of a community as the DML once was, we need to get back to the basics.  We need to go back to talking about our bikes, helping each other with technical issues, selling/giving each other parts to get our bikes back on the road, posting ride pics with outstanding write-ups, and once in a while... giving each other a tough time.

I know our actions of late have bothered our "Flounders" (still find that funny), after all they put together for us to create a great forum... Shouldn't we show them that their efforts were not in vain, by creating yet another legendary Monster Owners Forum?

I think it's time we stop posting "Trash talking" threads and annoying the members that are happy there.  You know as well as I do, that with the wealth of knowledge we have assembled here, eventually they will come here out of necessity.  Would you want to feel alienated at a site before you ever got there?

I know there have been other threads similar to this one, but I felt I needed to say this for myself.

We're all adults here, or at least should be, lets act like it (except for NMC... that's the playground).

Ok, I think I've made as little sense as I could.  I'd just like to end this by saying thanks to: Statler, Duck-Stew, Mitt, Speeddog, Drunken Monkey, biglain and ducpainter... and anyone else who helped bring this site to be.   You guys have created a wonderful thing, and I hope I can help make this into the community that you envisioned.  [beer]

Thanks,
Wade
(Rev. Millertime)

My apologies if some of this comes off as gibberish... it's late and I should be in bed!

Couldn't agree with you more. The VS bashing will fade with time, like all the others that have come and gone i.e Engagement ring donations, 140 mph 620's etc etc.

We will get back to what we do well, being a great Monster (motorcycle) forum, helping others in need and most of all, getting together and riding. Better it be sooner rather than later.

My .01c

<rant>

As old as some of the negative posts can be and have become, one thing that needs to be remembered is that there were so many folks who had spent a very sizable amount of time on TOB, both lurking and contributing.  I think it is only natural, and reasonable, for some of these folk to feel upset of what became of their beloved forum.  With that in mind, they will go through a sort of grieving and healing time.  The negativity, like everything else, will come to pass in time.  Everyone just needs to be a bit patient is all.  After all, we are still basically in the "aftermath" of TOB's demise, and the infancy of the new site. 

</rant>

And a great big THANK YOU to our founding fathers for bringing us back to a spot where we can all be our own quirky selves again.

I think we are doing okay.

Lets focus on making this site GREAT and spend less energy at the VS Site  [thumbsup]

Quote from: Rev Millertime
I know our actions of late have bothered our "Flounders"

I think even "bothered" is a bit strong- it was inevitable, and it was understandable.

Quote from: DRKWNG
With that in mind, they will go through a sort of grieving and healing time.  The negativity, like everything else, will come to pass in time.  Everyone just needs to be a bit patient is all.

And this is also true. I'd personally decided that I'd give it a week (which'd be today) and if required, step in with a post asking you all to "simmah down a bit". As it turns out, you, the members, are doing me proud and starting these discussions yourselves - proving that "the community" we set out to save is indeed worth saving. Good on you guys! (and girls!)

Now get over and answer some questions in Tech or Riding Techniques or How-To or Gear or Accessories & Mods or Racing & Trackdays - or if you have no answers, ask some questions - we've "lost" a lot of great useful information from TOB, but they're only posts, and you guys have somehow managed to write over 18,000 of them in the last week, so it's clearly no big deal. Let's get out there and make this place into the sort of place we'd _want_ to hang around in!

Thanks again people,

big

Quote from: bigiain on May 12, 2008, 10:35:59 PM
Thanks again people,

big

Nope, thanks to you guys!   [beer]

What did you do with the "real" Millertime. ;D

I'm with ya, brotha.

Quote from: Rev. Millertime on May 12, 2008, 09:48:54 PM
We're all adults here

Dunno if I'm with you on that one, but everything else, +1

Let's all take a deep breath, & LET IT GO! Time to move forward  [thumbsup]

Now, let's all hold hands, and...  [evil]

Great place to hang, let's all keep up the good work  ;D

Preach the good word Reverend!

There are folks I miss (George fromt eh oil thread and sponsors), but it's also been a great culling of the DML herd.  I think, in general, those who cared a lot moved over to DMF and it's cool to be part of something new.

The venting/Bashing/sabotage is already tapering off.  It's natural that people were upset, I was.  Though I didn't go mucking with TOB since I was speding my time here, I sure got a laugh out of Chipos movie and some of the other shens. 

People just need a little time to get over teh shock and get settled in here.  People will come to realize that this will be the place for real info on the Monster soon enough.  The bulk of the knowledge base came to this board, so as noted if people want the real goods, they will find there way here soon enough.

Now, get to posting tech and mod questions - so I can slack off work by lookin' at them and giving my opinions.

Hmm...well, I'm the posterchild for "ignorance is bliss" since my hatred for drama has prevented me from reading any of those bashing threads, or participating in the childish behavior that seems to be going on. I'm a lot happier for it too. [moto] In fact, my goal is not not look in the no moto content thread ever!

So yeah, grow up, move on, and talk about bike stuff! geez [roll]

Quote from: Duc L'Smart on May 13, 2008, 06:45:33 AM
Now, let's all hold hands, and...  [evil]

have a circle-jerk?   [evil]

Quote from: DRKWNG on May 13, 2008, 07:36:39 AM
have a circle-jerk?   [evil]

Is that how you get a wet or slipper clutch?

One in the hand is NOT better than 2 in the bush  ;D

Okay... no more bashing... will have to try that.


<thread jack>
Anybody know how low a monster can be lowered? I had to lower the ninja 250 to fit my wife... think a monstro will even fit her... ever?
</thread jack>

I figure you can't be a legitimate site with out the standard thread jacks?  [thumbsup]

Quote from: ryandalling on May 13, 2008, 12:32:15 PM
Okay... no more bashing... will have to try that.


<thread jack>
Anybody know how low a monster can be lowered? I had to lower the ninja 250 to fit my wife... think a monstro will even fit her... ever?
</thread jack>

I figure you can't be a legitimate site with out the standard thread jacks?  [thumbsup]

If you ask that in tech, I or 100 other people will answer it  ;D  There are several ways.

mitt

Im still on the fence....I can understand how some people got upset about this whole transition, it was abrupt and without warning.  I for one had several parts for sale and I lost contact with one person who was very interested in buying a part.

That being said, i think the mods had a heads up and could have dropped hints about what was about to occur.  Some mods were very helpful and I liked, another called me a "dick" when I posted something they didnt think was funny.  I found that to be unprofessional but I bit my tongue lest talk back and be banned.

So, do we blame VS (the evil empire) for noticing what a great and potentially profitable site the DML is/was and wanting to make a buck, do we blame previous mods for not giving us the hi sign about what was about to occur, do we blame the previous owner for selling out what a great and unique community we had or do we simply move on.....My vote is for the latter.

Im trying to get my head around this "dilemma" enough to care....in the mean time Ill check out both sites...

With respect to dropping hints, we honestly did not get any warning either.  On Monday a 'test site' was supposed  to be up for the mods and admins to do a dry run.  That never happened. 

Tuesday, BLAM, the full New DML was launched to everyone.

We couldn't say much about this, for fear of creating an even bigger storm.

Sorry you lost contacts, but I think most people that return to the DML, send an email to help@ducatimonster.org, will receieve a new password that works.  That is what I had to do also.

mitt

Thats cool, I appreciate the info Mitt.  I did send an email to help@ but didnt receive a reply until 4 days later....guess they were overwhelmed.

Quote from: CDawg on May 13, 2008, 06:47:26 AM
There are folks I miss (George from the oil thread and...)

As I noted in another thread, I PM'ed George thru Multistrada.net last week. Strangely, my message still shows to be hung in that site's Outbox...hmm. No matter, I phoned him personally (I don't know him personally, but it wasn't too difficult to track him down) and gave him the news that many folks had migrated to this site, and he dutifully took that information down and thanked me for it. I made it clear to him that my purpose was not to get involved in any political games, only to inform him of the existence of this new site.

I miss him too, of course, and his contributions would doubtless enhance the value of the DMF. However, be aware that he is probably an incredibly busy man, and weeks or more at a time go by without him posting on any particular forums. Let us just count ourselves lucky if and when he ever shows up here.

George is here now:
http://ducatimonsterworldwide.org/index.php?topic=356.msg17613#msg17613

Quote from: Super T.I.B on May 12, 2008, 09:54:28 PM
Couldn't agree with you more. The VS bashing will fade with time, like all the others that have come and gone i.e Engagement ring donations, 140 mph 620's etc etc.

My .01c

Some things fade away, like the whole 11ty billion fad, but a 140mph 620, that will live forever [wine]

Quote from: msincredible on May 13, 2008, 06:25:39 PM
George is here now:
http://ducatimonsterworldwide.org/index.php?topic=356.msg17613#msg17613

Thanks for that update, glad he's on board -- he's an invaluable resource to any forum!

I think a little bashing is therapy.  Let's consider that a lot of us (hundreds) just came over to DMF since last week.  It will taper off soon... well as soon as some of us get a few posts under our belts.  Certainly one good part of this site in the freedom to be able to speak out.  

I see it a little like the end of Halloween night.  My kids have a ton of candy and I tell then "eat it all, because I am going to throw it away in a couple days." I would rather they get there sugar high for a couple days rather than rot their teeth out for months.  Same here... bash away, but let's get it over with and on to the good stuff.

Yes. This can work. It is legitimate.  [beer]

Quote from: BellissiMoto on May 13, 2008, 06:31:34 PM
Some things fade away, like the whole 11ty billion fad, but a 140mph 620, that will live forever [wine]

Yeah, what was I thinking!  [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Probably a little drunkled when i typed that last night.  [drink]

Quote from: DRKWNG on May 12, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
And a great big THANK YOU to our founding flounding fathers for bringing us back to a spot where we can all be our own quirky selves again.

Fixed it for ya!

Quote from: Monstermash on May 13, 2008, 08:19:11 PM
Fixed it for ya!

So kind.  ;)

Not for nothin', but my take on the situation is I'm still a bit put off by TOB. I've asked about a number of missing threads over there and after the first 2 days still haven't gotten any more answers to where they've gone. I realize that the mods and the administrator...Stew, I guess is his name, although he hasn't really introduced himself as far I can see, are all under a lot of pressure from the clusterf*ck of last week. For me some of the crap they pulled really merits more than the week of steaming crap they've gotten back, but I also understand the collective need to move on. I've found small unobtrusive ways of registering my dismay over the situation and since I haven't done anything overt enought to get banned, i think I'll monitor it awhile longer.

I used an analogy in a post there yesterday, that has since disappeared. It's like going to your favorite restaurant and having a great experience, then ordering creme brulee. As the waiter sets it in front of you, he spits in it. Just my 2 cents...

I'm not saying don't hound the hell out of em for what they did.

I just don't think we need 20 threads on how horrible the DML is, and 10 more with bragging on the damage done.

I too am put off by what happened, and once I can log back in... I'm going back to deleting.

Quote from: Rev. Millertime on May 12, 2008, 09:48:54 PM
Ok, I'm no angel. 
I've done my share of VS/DML bashing.
I posted things that got me banned.
I bragged about what I did.

Yes some of it was funny.
Yes, we needed to get the word out.

Now, with 1316 members as I type this, I feel we are becoming a legitimate Ducati Monster forum.

But how does it look when someone who has little to no knowledge of the pre VS/DML, when they come in here and see 20 threads devoted to bashing the DML, especially if they are coming here to learn about the Monster or get help with their bike.

If I were new to this GREAT COMMUNITY, I'd probably wonder how legitimate of an Owners Forum it was if all I read was bashing of another forum.

I am not happy with where the DML went, and I know many of you agree.  If we want this to become as great of a community as the DML once was, we need to get back to the basics.  We need to go back to talking about our bikes, helping each other with technical issues, selling/giving each other parts to get our bikes back on the road, posting ride pics with outstanding write-ups, and once in a while... giving each other a tough time.

I know our actions of late have bothered our "Flounders" (still find that funny), after all they put together for us to create a great forum... Shouldn't we show them that their efforts were not in vain, by creating yet another legendary Monster Owners Forum?

I think it's time we stop posting "Trash talking" threads and annoying the members that are happy there.  You know as well as I do, that with the wealth of knowledge we have assembled here, eventually they will come here out of necessity.  Would you want to feel alienated at a site before you ever got there?

I know there have been other threads similar to this one, but I felt I needed to say this for myself.

We're all adults here, or at least should be, lets act like it (except for NMC... that's the playground).

Ok, I think I've made as little sense as I could.  I'd just like to end this by saying thanks to: Statler, Duck-Stew, Mitt, Speeddog, Drunken Monkey, biglain and ducpainter... and anyone else who helped bring this site to be.   You guys have created a wonderful thing, and I hope I can help make this into the community that you envisioned.  [beer]

Thanks,
Wade
(Rev. Millertime)

My apologies if some of this comes off as gibberish... it's late and I should be in bed!

+1,let's all move on and grow larger than ever!!!! [beer]

I am sure this will work - great people, and the community "thing" will only make this place bigger and better.

As far as TOB - I made my "farewell and thanks" post there - saved my PM's and I will NEVER be back there again.

Onward and upward [thumbsup]

Okay, help me out here...what is VS ?

Quote from: Centerline on May 14, 2008, 10:07:45 AM
Okay, help me out here...what is VS ?

VS = Vertical Scope, the company that bought the DML and rolled out the new DML.

mitt

Ten Q

1450 Members!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was over at ToB and I was going to go and see if there were any threads that I no longer wanted my input to be in but I can't seem to figure out how to delete a post or a thread that I started. Anyone able to provide a little help there?

I for one, would appreciate it if people left their comments on the other board. It seems pointless to sabotage the information over there. That's the whole reason the forum existed in the first place. I agree that VS screwed up a good thing. I understand the frustration everyone has with TOB, but I think it's honestly in all our best interests to leave the information that's out there, out there.

Here's how I feel about:

Feel free to hate the library. But please don't burn all the books in it.

I'm for moving my contributed information here. Hence my latest post in GMC just now.

Also, I'd like to be an "Adamantium Member", when those options roll out.

Quote from: erik822 on May 15, 2008, 08:58:01 AM
I for one, would appreciate it if people left their comments on the other board. It seems pointless to sabotage the information over there. That's the whole reason the forum existed in the first place. I agree that VS screwed up a good thing. I understand the frustration everyone has with TOB, but I think it's honestly in all our best interests to leave the information that's out there, out there.

Here's how I feel about:

Feel free to hate the library. But please don't burn all the books in it.

Your analogy doesn't work.  It's not a library full of books, it's a big assembly of notes, anecdotes and info put together in one place.  Now, someone bought the building and wants to not only make money on the stuff that was collected, but charge the people who put it together admission.   I don't think anyone is saying burn the books, just put them back where anyone can read them, for free.

Quote from: ato memphis on May 15, 2008, 09:31:33 AM
Also, I'd like to be an "Adamantium Member", when those options roll out.

Sorry, but I _think_ Adam And The Ants broke up in the early 80's... I'll let you know if I hear about a reunion tour that you could audition for...

[laugh]

big

Yeah but Adam Ant still has a back up band, I think he has a full time gig in VEGAS BABY!

Actually I have no idea if he does or doesn't I just thought it sounded good.

Quote from: kutter on May 16, 2008, 03:09:06 AM
Yeah but Adam Ant still has a back up band, I think he has a full time gig in VEGAS BABY!

Actually I have no idea if he does or doesn't

Of course you don't, 'cause if it happened in Vegas...

big

Quote from: Dan on May 16, 2008, 02:36:50 AM
Your analogy doesn't work.  It's not a library full of books, it's a big assembly of notes, anecdotes and info put together in one place.  Now, someone bought the building and wants to not only make money on the stuff that was collected, but charge the people who put it together admission.   I don't think anyone is saying burn the books, just put them back where anyone can read them, for free.

Actually Kutter said, "I was over at ToB and I was going to go and see if there were any threads that I no longer wanted my input to be in but I can't seem to figure out how to delete a post or a thread that I started. Anyone able to provide a little help there?"

That implies removing the information posted, doesn't it? If you delete a thread you started, it deletes the replies too.

Big I cannot comment on Vegas since I have only flown through it on the way to Hawaii so I don't think that counts, but I would submit an even more relevant statement in that, What happens in the French Quarter STAYS IN THE FRENCH QUARTER, or you could broaden it some to encompass a specific event WHAT HAPPENS AT MARDI GRAS, ok I think you get the idea.

Dan I decided that I just did not care enough to go and delete my post and threads from it, my anger and frustration was sucked out of me by riding my new 848.

Quote from: kutter on May 17, 2008, 07:41:37 AM
Dan I decided that I just did not care enough to go and delete my post and threads from it, my anger and frustration was sucked out of me by riding my new 848.

A lot of us still have anger and frustration.


Can we borrow your 848?

I will have to get back to you on the 848, yeah I will get back to ya..................................................

[coffee]

Still thinking.................................................

[drink]

Still thinking....................................................

[evil]

Gonna have to go with a big fat NO, sorry  ;D