I'm getting ready to order a VDST from Desmo times for my 07 S4RS. According the the chart on the order page an S4RS could have either the 59M or the 5AM ECU. how do I know which one I have. To make matters more complicated I am running the full Termi System with the DP ECU.
Any Ideas or do I need to go to the dealer on this one.
thanks
Mike
It is the 5AM - I think the difference is the idle stepper motor. Anyway I have the 5AM version and it works fine with the DP ecu.
Thanks.
The Desmo times says if could be either one for our models. Mine is an 07 but I took delivery of it Sept. of 06, how about you?. Of course I purchased the DP stuff in the srping of 07 so who knows what I have but odds are it's the same as yours.
thanks
I have an '07 that I got in Aug. of '06. I got my DP computer in early '07 (edit: DP ecu # 96517706B). Of all the literature and magazine articles I've read, the only place that says there is a possibility of having the 59M is on the technoresearch site. Lots of places also mention an '06 S4Rs so maybe in Europe there was an '06 model with the 5.9?
edit edit: You can contact Giamberto directly at technoresearch. He is great - the service is first class and he will answer any questions you might have about the VDST. He has worked with me - above and beyond the call of duty - that level of service is rare.
Thanks guys,
I ended up ordering the VDST for the 5AM ECU. LT of DesmoTimes says that the software will work for both ECUs but there may be some features that are different. I should have it in hand in a couple of days so I'll know soon enough. My Cousin has an 02 998 that I think has the 59M ECU and we plan to try the VDST on both bikes.
A quick search for an exhaust gas analyzer turned up one from Norther Tool supply for around $250.00. Any better choices?
thanks again for the help.
LT (desmotimes) has the Gunson Gastester unit for a little less. $227
so, does the VDST for the 5AM ecu work for a 59M ecu then? i recently had my ecu flashed to the DP ecu by desmo porche, and was trying to reset the TPS using a borrowed VDST from a friend that had his for his 1098 (5AM). after several attempts over about 45 minutes i decided to give it a rest for tonight and see if anyone has FHE with this. perhaps i'll just end up having to speak to technoresearch. it seems to connect, sort of...but displays 5AM in the software. i got it to give me a "PASSED" once for the TPS, but the calibrate section didn't "ungrey" and was still unavailable. any advice is appreciated.. :-\
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I think there's the 'one model' version of the VDST and the 'all model' version.
Price difference of course...
Do you have the engine running while you are doing this?
Quote from: Bill in OKC on May 25, 2010, 11:22:35 PM
Do you have the engine running while you are doing this?
not for the TPS reset...i was told ignition needs to be on but bike not running.
Quote from: Speeddog on May 25, 2010, 06:59:48 PM
I think there's the 'one model' version of the VDST and the 'all model' version.
Price difference of course...
the guy i borrowed it from says that he's used it on monsters, multistrada, hyper, and his 1098... all without issues.
The error message "ECU/ECM not responding" is what I get when the engine is not running. I don't think the two will establish communications unless the engine is running - then press the green/blue ?yin/yang? symbol. Maybe once they are talking you can turn the engine - but not the ignition off? I guess you don't want the engine hitting redline when you are setting/monitoring the TPS - it has been a while since I've fooled with mine.
Quote from: ♣ McKraut ♣ on May 26, 2010, 09:19:42 AM
not for the TPS reset...i was told ignition needs to be on but bike not running.
Aha! This may be part of the problem. If you turn on the ignition but don't start the engine the ECU goes to sleep after a short while and there's no way to connect.
Do this:
-turn on ignition key
-turn on engine kill switch
-start engine and let it run a few seconds
-kill engine with the kill switch, NOT THE KEY!
-leave the key ON
Then try to connect. Once you start the engine the ECU won't go to sleep even if the engine stops running. You may still have compatibility problems but I hope this helps.
Scott
FWIW I have the engine off with the key on when I rest the TPS. Sometimes for a reason unknown to me the VSDT will say that I havea 5AM and others it will say I have a 59M. The 07sr4s could have either one (least that's what I was told) but I think mine is the 59M. The only problem I've ever had with the VDST is that sometimes it's very slow to connect when you go from one fuctin to another.
It should be , key on/engine off to reset the tps and engine running to change the trimmer settings
Mike
I was told that the mythical '06 s4rs could have the 59. My 07 s4rs has the 5AM.
You need the key and kill switch on for it to connect, sometimes it can be a bit finicky.
Quote from: scott_araujo on May 26, 2010, 11:32:43 AM
Aha! This may be part of the problem. If you turn on the ignition but don't start the engine the ECU goes to sleep after a short while and there's no way to connect.
Do this:
-turn on ignition key
-turn on engine kill switch
-start engine and let it run a few seconds
-kill engine with the kill switch, NOT THE KEY!
-leave the key ON
Then try to connect. Once you start the engine the ECU won't go to sleep even if the engine stops running. You may still have compatibility problems but I hope this helps.
Scott
cool...maybe that was my problem then. i will give that a try hopefully today after work pending how my leg is feeling. my clutch tried to eat me yesterday :-\
Quote from: scott_araujo on May 26, 2010, 11:32:43 AM
Aha! This may be part of the problem. If you turn on the ignition but don't start the engine the ECU goes to sleep after a short while and there's no way to connect.
Do this:
-turn on ignition key
-turn on engine kill switch
-start engine and let it run a few seconds
-kill engine with the kill switch, NOT THE KEY!
-leave the key ON
Then try to connect. Once you start the engine the ECU won't go to sleep even if the engine stops running. You may still have compatibility problems but I hope this helps.
Scott
tried this method out on saturday several times... no change. still unresponsive with the ECU at best. though at one point i was again able to actually get the TPS menu to do it's countdown and tell me to turn off the ignition for 13 secs and back on, and it displayed the "PASS" message. hoping at least the TPS is reset then. but i am not able to get just about anything else to be not "greyed-out"... fuel trim slider adjusters, (real-time) gauges, etc, is all unavailable. and most of the time the vdst would just complain about not being able to communicate with the ecu. at one point vdst was even identifying it as a 15M ecu... i hit the motorcycle icon and it then went back to calling it a 5AM (though again, i thought i have a 59M?)
just talked to a very helpful guy at technoresearch, and he looked up a couple specs for me. he said that the addresses for TPS and fuel trim were the same for the 5AM and 5.9M, so a vdst for the 5AM should have no problem doing at least those tasks, and i'm imagining all the others would work fine also, though i didn't have him look up further specs as this is all that i was really interested in.
on the off chance that this was a voltage issue, which i don't think it is (i'm thinking it's more operator error/ecu falling asleep), would hooking up the battery tender while the vdst is connected help at all?
bobby from desmo porche just emailed me back; he says that i do indeed have a 5AM ecu. (2005 S4R)
so...the mystery continues as to why i am having issues getting the software to talk to the ecu, since the cable i'm using is for 5AM.
I had problems with a Micron laptop. I used a different laptop and the problems stopped. It was a buffer overflow issue. Technoresearch updates their software pretty often, have you downloaded the latest version?
yup. latest version of drivers for serial-to-usb adapter as well as software from VDST site (as of a couple weeks back) for a vista laptop. don't currently have access to an XP laptop.
IF you have access to a "old" computer with a serial port you could try to connect it directly , ditching the serial to USB addapter, as it could be a factor. Or a bad earth connection could give a lot of strange issues, as mention earlier. The earth bolt on the ECU should be tightened to 10 NM and the engine to 12 NM according to my workshop manual.
i actually just cleaned the engine ground connection very thoroughly about two weeks ago and reattached with a small amount of dielectric grease. the ground connection on the ecu side looks normal and clean, and both are attached tightly.
and i don't think i know anyone with a PC that old... though i do know one other person locally with a 5AM vdst, so i may see if i can bug him this weekend to see if i can try with his and see what happens.
just a quick update...after updating driver settings for the keyspan adapter (found on the FAQ section on the technoresearch website), the VDST software is communicating fairly easily now. it's a tiny bit slow, but more than acceptable. i was able to adjust the trim setting, and run through the TPS reset process, however, when viewing the realtime gauges, i'm seeing the speedo and ambient air temp sensor as being basically "dead"...and reading max values. i talked to bobby at desmo porche and he said that there is indeed a difference between the 5AM and 59M (mine is the 59M) ecu:
QuoteThe 59M and the 5AM refers to the size of catch on the ECU. On some of the 04/05 bikes we have two versions of the race ecu's. I don't recall 100% which one you got, but if your ECU says 59M then that's it.
so, it appears i would need to try out a VDST for the 59M to really verify everything... he simply said that the 5AM "wouldn't work". which i think probably just means that i wouldn't have access to 100% of things in the ecu maybe... for instance, the speedo and air temp sensor?:
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If the things you care about seem to be reading right and the bike seems to be running right I wouldn't worry about the other stuff. It's a nice tool to have but if I had a free one that could set the trim and TPS I'd save the $200 unless you need something else. I think if your temp sensor was dead the bike would be throwing an error code and the 'little engine' light would be on.
Scott
I *think* the biggest difference between the 59m and the 5am is that the 5am is used to control an idle stepper motor. Other things like memory locations can be hit and miss. Idle trim and resetting the TPS are the biggest reason I bought mine, the other stuff is nice but doesn't get used much.