Imagine if your governor wanted to pass a law thus you couldn't put aftermarket parts on your car, truck or motorcycle? It is in the process of happening in Oregon.
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 (http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515)
First item targeted is "tires". You can only replace the tires on your car with ones that are OEM rated for the size / mileage and rolling characteristics of your factory installed ones.
I almost never say this, but if you live in Oregon -- talk with your representative now before this goes further. What fun would it be in everyone driving the same colored Prius, riding stock (non-modified) Ducati's and not being able to take your Jeep offroad because it has "factory approved tires".
Damn Oregon was topping my list of places to move.
It also seems to me that it's a bit to uncompromising to pass in said state.
Don't come to Oregon. It is so amazing, gorgeous, and cool in so many ways. Mountains, beach, valleys, etc all within 3 or 4 hours of each other. But there are no jobs, public safety is a joke, and it rains a lot. Houses are overpriced, people are under paid, and there are not enough hot days to make the girls dress skimpy. I would leave to Washington or Idaho tomorrow if I could sell my house.
I bet al gore is behind this. I'd let it pass, slash all govt officials tires until they decide to get slash resistant ones then sue them. So many things to say, but again, no politics, and ya'll know what im gonna say anyway.
goodluck. NYC is trying to allow cops to ticket and tow parked bikes that dont have EPA stamps on the exhausts.
shit like this gives liberals a bad name...and that pisses me off [bang]
we're not all that dumb
this comes from a business owning, gun owning, hunting, economist reading...die hard liberal and life long Democrat
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Quote from: timmer357 on February 06, 2009, 08:49:46 PM
[snip]and there are not enough hot days to make the girls dress skimpy.[/snip]
Exactly why I like CA. ;D
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what the make the beast with two backs kind of weather is that????
Quote from: timmer357 on February 06, 2009, 08:49:46 PM
Don't come to Oregon. It is so amazing, gorgeous, and cool in so many ways. Mountains, beach, valleys, etc all within 3 or 4 hours of each other. But there are no jobs, public safety is a joke, and it rains a lot. Houses are overpriced, people are under paid, and there are not enough hot days to make the girls dress skimpy. I would leave to Washington or Idaho tomorrow if I could sell my house.
Oh please
do go on
Quote from: MotoCreations on February 06, 2009, 07:56:29 PM
Imagine if your governor wanted to pass a law thus you couldn't put aftermarket parts on your car, truck or motorcycle? It is in the process of happening in Oregon.
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 (http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515)
First item targeted is "tires". You can only replace the tires on your car with ones that are OEM rated for the size / mileage and rolling characteristics of your factory installed ones.
I almost never say this, but if you live in Oregon -- talk with your representative now before this goes further. What fun would it be in everyone driving the same colored Prius, riding stock (non-modified) Ducati's and not being able to take your Jeep offroad because it has "factory approved tires".
it will never happen
I hope
It is a pretty big extreme considering DEQ requirements do not encompass the entire state
I wonder if it will only be in effect in the pre existing DEQ boundries?
I was planning on Moving to Klamath Falls After a while. I guess I'll just keep the Monster Lic in CA.
I would probably be the only Monster owner there
Quote from: MendoDave on February 07, 2009, 06:15:09 AM
I was planning on Moving to Klamath Falls After a while. I guess I'll just keep the Monster Lic in CA.
I would probably be the only Monster owner there
when?
how soon?
wanna buy a house? its really nice!
there was another monster rider there when i lived there.
or at least there was another monster. i never saw it out on the road...
im serious about the house...
threads concerning legislation being introduced are absolutely fine here...especially where it can mean we act on things sooner and make a difference.
The 'political' aspect best avoided is the commentary about it and personal insults that seem to derive therefrom.
I would love to have a stickied section for this kind of announcements that can truly effect our hobby (like the NYC issue) and be able to have good discussions about what to do about it without all the extraneous crap.
The NYC thread showed we can come up with a plan, have good input, and at least make an effort to make (or stop) change for our benefit. If we make an effort and fail...then we can pregnant dog and moan.
So let's keep this thread to dissecting the Oregon proposal and discussing arguments that can be used to rationally change minds.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.pdf
this is all I have so far.
Quote from: Mother on February 07, 2009, 04:02:31 AM
it will never happen
I hope
It is a pretty big extreme considering DEQ requirements do not encompass the entire state
I wonder if it will only be in effect in the pre existing DEQ boundries?
Remember those extreme "wheelie" laws that FL proposed and we thought they wouldn't happen?
Quote from: herm on February 07, 2009, 06:42:40 AM
when?
how soon?
wanna buy a house? its really nice!
there was another monster rider there when i lived there.
or at least there was another monster. i never saw it out on the road...
im serious about the house...
Got a little place on Shasta Way & Gary St. that's paid for. But the House at the Running Y is going back to the bank. Its real nice, wanna Buy that?
Wait... I've got one better for the CA crowd.
EPA testing of motorcycles is coming. No shit.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on February 07, 2009, 08:24:18 AM
Wait... I've got one better for the CA crowd.
EPA testing of motorcycles is coming. No shit.
The value of my stocker is skyrocketing! ;D
Quote from: IZ on February 07, 2009, 08:10:51 AM
Remember those extreme "wheelie" laws that FL proposed and we thought they wouldn't happen?
True
but
that is entirely different
that affected reckless drivers
This would impact entire industries, and during a time when the unemployment rate is up to 9% and we are losing some major employers in a few months
(Intel is closing shop)
Introducing a house bill that would shut down even more employers is beyond stupid
As far as I can tell, all the motor journal sites are adding words into this that aren't there. This is the clause people are rightfully concerned about:
(d) Restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution of after-market motor vehicle
parts, including but not limited to tires, if alternatives are available that decrease
greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles;
the bill would allow the Environmental Quality Commission to adopt rules to further the above. So no specifics yet of how.
The first attack is to question what standard is used to show decrease in emissions...this is where the moto rags are saying rolling resistance etc....
But there have been no accepted tests showing any of this...so how does one show the 19 inch wheels on your BMW are worse for emissions than the 17s? they don't...or it would be prohibitively expensive to show how each modification would actually effect emissions. How would a state ever show your mud and snow tires cause your truck to emit more than stock tires? And does it matter if you drive that truck 1,000 per year versus your neighbor who drives his f350 on stock tires 100,000 per year?
safety.... specific winter tires are very different than summer tires. are seasons taken into account the state determines my aftermarket tire choices for my car?
enforcement... so who keeps the list of each and every OEM tire? If a manufacturer specifies a variety of different tires for a car, are each of them considered stock?
Quote from: Mother on February 07, 2009, 08:41:10 AM
True
but
that is entirely different
that affected reckless drivers
This would impact entire industries, and during a time when the unemployment rate is up to 9% and we are losing some major employers in a few months
(Intel is closing shop)
Introducing a house bill that would shut down even more employers is beyond stupid
yes, very different.
just saying..we didn't thnk that would pass cuz it was too extreme and it did. ^^^^ Very stupid!! Hopefully this bill doesn't!!
Portland is still on my lst of cities to live in!! [thumbsup]
Quote from: Statler on February 07, 2009, 09:00:57 AM
As far as I can tell, all the motor journal sites are adding words into this that aren't there. This is the clause people are rightfully concerned about:
(d) Restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution of after-market motor vehicle
parts, including but not limited to tires, if alternatives are available that decrease
greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles;
the bill would allow the Environmental Quality Commission to adopt rules to further the above. So no specifics yet of how.
The first attack is to question what standard is used to show decrease in emissions...this is where the moto rags are saying rolling resistance etc....
But there have been no accepted tests showing any of this...so how does one show the 19 inch wheels on your BMW are worse for emissions than the 17s? they don't...or it would be prohibitively expensive to show how each modification would actually effect emissions. How would a state ever show your mud and snow tires cause your truck to emit more than stock tires? And does it matter if you drive that truck 1,000 per year versus your neighbor who drives his f350 on stock tires 100,000 per year?
safety.... specific winter tires are very different than summer tires. are seasons taken into account the state determines my aftermarket tire choices for my car?
enforcement... so who keeps the list of each and every OEM tire? If a manufacturer specifies a variety of different tires for a car, are each of them considered stock?
Statler, thanks for posting this.
Mother, any idea who the reps are in our area?
Maybe one of the guys thats on the PNWRiders board can post it there too.
Quote from: Statler on February 07, 2009, 09:00:57 AM
As far as I can tell, all the motor journal sites are adding words into this that aren't there. This is the clause people are rightfully concerned about:
(d) Restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution of after-market motor vehicle
parts, including but not limited to tires, if alternatives are available that decrease
greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles;
the bill would allow the Environmental Quality Commission to adopt rules to further the above. So no specifics yet of how.
The first attack is to question what standard is used to show decrease in emissions...this is where the moto rags are saying rolling resistance etc....
But there have been no accepted tests showing any of this...so how does one show the 19 inch wheels on your BMW are worse for emissions than the 17s? they don't...or it would be prohibitively expensive to show how each modification would actually effect emissions. How would a state ever show your mud and snow tires cause your truck to emit more than stock tires? And does it matter if you drive that truck 1,000 per year versus your neighbor who drives his f350 on stock tires 100,000 per year?
safety.... specific winter tires are very different than summer tires. are seasons taken into account the state determines my aftermarket tire choices for my car?
enforcement... so who keeps the list of each and every OEM tire? If a manufacturer specifies a variety of different tires for a car, are each of them considered stock?
(b) May differentiate between different areas of the state, different greenhouse gases and
different categories of substances, fuels, motor vehicles or
other equipment or activities that
contribute directly or indirectly to greenhouse gas emissions.
This is what concerns me more than the possibility that they will make me get rid of my 35" tires
This gives them the power to shut down Motorized activities
Racing and OHV specifically
and
that will kill entire industries
I skipped right over that paragraph in looking for what the moto-rags were saying.
Time to get bigger badder lawyers involved. There's going to be an issue about rulemaking/lawmaking powers of unelected officials granted if this passes.
So many comments......... :-X :-X
Stuart -- Arizona has emissions testing for motorcycles in Phoenix (and Tucson still?). Nothing fun about getting a hopped up Ducati to try and pass with FCR's, camshaft and wild exhausts.
Oregon? Not bashing Oregon at all. Stunningly beautiful place -- I've lived in Corvallis and Ashland/Medford before. Even seriously looked at going back to Ashland or over into the Bend area a few times the past seven years. One day perhaps? So not being a resident currently, thus the post: how to make the folks in Oregon aware their voices need to be heard to make sure some silly little bureacrat doesn't ruin it all for them. I know a LOT of aftermarket manufacturers in Oregon and making them aware as well -- it does affect their business ventures and their ability to develop/testing of new products as well. Problem is that if one state adopts this kind of rules -- what is to prevent another one somewhere else?
this is not going to pass.It won't stand a chance in the state senate, due to the overwhelming number of people in the State of Oregon who are avid outdoorsmen/women.
I for one cannot see that a comapny such as Warn Industries on Capps Road in Clackamas or their hub division on Pheasant Court in Milwaukie would just sit idly by and allow this to happen
.Winches and hubs are aftermarket parts.
Then there is the question of every car dealer,motorcycle dealer, truck dealer etc that sells aftermarket parts.
You think that Les Scwab Tires is going to kiss off their shitty suspension packages? Not very likely.
You think that Fred Meyer is going to stop carrying sylvania light bulbs to fit every car made.....thats aftermarket.
Oregon's economy is in the toilet thanks to Messrs Bush and Cheney, they are not going to cause further financial hardship for the state with a bill like this that would cause another 10-20,000 people statewide to join the unemployment lines.
This bill won't go anywhere,mark my words
Get involved if you want to stop it.
"Authorizes Environmental Quality Commission to adopt rules to help state to achieve
greenhouse gas emissions reduction goals. Specifies rules that commission may adopt."
One thing I think is being missed, is that this Act is NOT banning aftermarket parts or tires. It is giving the power to control them to the Commission IF said part effects "Greenhouse Gas Emissions." What the Commission does with that power is another thing. I feel the important question is how will the Commission will quantify "Greenhouse Gas Emissions."
If the Commission were to ban a tire, they would have to show that tire increases "Greenhouse Gas Emissions" when compared to the OEM tire. The tire's manufacture would contest the findings and lock it up in court for decades.
Since track bikes are technically not "Motor Vehicles," the most the Commission could do is effect race fuel. And since a track is private property the most they could do is require the track to get a permit same as any other business that emits greenhouse gases.
Governor: Ted Kulongoski (http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/contact_us.shtml)
Speaker of the House: Dave Hunt (http://www.leg.state.or.us/hunt/)
Environmental Quality Commission (http://www.deq.state.or.us/about/eqc/EQCmembers.htm)
Quote from: Mother on February 07, 2009, 08:41:10 AM
Introducing a house bill that would shut down even more employers is beyond stupid
That's exactly what they will do then!
can we please keep this thread to discussing arguments to use for Oregonians (?) to discuss with their legislators and not 'yeah that's dumb' comments and + 1s. Of course it's stupid and not thought through in all aspects...I bet 3850 of the 3853 members here agree with that. So let's work out a solution.
+1
;D
Since Statler mentioned our NYC "Introduction 416A" which if passed, would have defined a straight pipe as any motorcycle exhaust without EPA marking, and allowed ticketing of parked pipes and confiscation of the parked bikes, a short update. The bill is going through a rewrite. This is because of an organized effort including visits to Council Member's offices. The fight ain't over, but we made progress. You folks in Oregon can do the same thing. Complaining wont do it, but educating your legislators can. Get the aftermarket involved too.
Quote from: timmer357 on February 06, 2009, 08:49:46 PM
Don't come to Oregon [...] it rains a lot [...] there are not enough hot days to make the girls dress skimpy. I would leave to Washington [...]
Washington is not gonna improve that particular problem.