the Brunette, a couple of friends and I were sitting around eating fajitas and one of said friends starts choking and I mean choking. this mother make the beast with two backser was dieing. so I rushed to him and performed the Heimlich and after 3-4 attempts his bite of steak came up. I've had the training a couple of different times but this was the first time I've had to use it, scary shit man. just needed to say it out loud.
[thumbsup] [beer]
[thumbsup] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] How far did the chunk of steak fly?
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
[beer]
You break any of his ribs?
(common side effect of the move)
So do you now get free beer for life?
Quick thinking [thumbsup]
[thumbsup] cb!
Quote from: cyrus buelton on March 21, 2009, 08:02:24 PM
You break any of his ribs?
I just had my re-cert month ago. The 250lb. fireman who was teaching the class was talking about performing CPR and how he's broken several ribs doing compressions.
You hear 'em snap but you just gotta keep on going! [puke]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on March 21, 2009, 08:02:24 PM
[thumbsup] [thumbsup]
[beer]
You break any of his ribs?
(common side effect of the move)
Abdominal thrusts, if done correctly will not break ribs. The fist, with the other hand over it, should be just right above the navel. No rib should be touched.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on March 21, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
Abdominal thrusts, if done correctly will not break ribs. The fist, with the other hand over it, should be just right above the navel. No rib should be touched.
Nuh uh!! It said broken ribs were a "side effect" on Wikipedia ;D
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on March 21, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
Abdominal thrusts, if done correctly will not break ribs. The fist, with the other hand over it, should be just right above the navel. No rib should be touched.
I thought the fireman was referring to broken ribs during cpr
My mother performed the heimlich on some woman while she was watching one of my hockey games. I don't think she had any formal training, this was back when the show "Rescue 9-1-1" was big many years ago. I think she learned it from watching so many episodes. Scary to think what would happen if no one else was around.
Quote from: OwnyTony on March 21, 2009, 10:54:04 PM
I thought the fireman was referring to broken ribs during cpr
Yes, the fireman was talking about breaking ribs doing compressions during CPR.
Which is now 30 compressions/2 breaths (soon to be 100/2?!).
The wiki comment was directed at CB.
CB was saying that broken ribs occured during Heimlich maneuver. If done correctly with ab thrusts..ribs won't get broken. But..since everyone isn't a trained expert like Czaja..one might do what he can to try and help someone choking and accidently break a rib.
I had a friend do the same for me. We were drunk and finding all kinds of good stuff to deep fry, I was nearly bested by a piece of deep fried turkey.
Nice job. and +1 on dave's querry...you get free beer for life after that.
Nice job! [thumbsup]
Very cool. 8)
You can do it on yourself too. Years ago I was home alone, and hung over as hell. I was in the kitchen, standing in front of the sink, and went to take two or three aspirin caplets (the long and skinny ones). I popped them in my mouth and damned if one didn't fly back and lodge right where is wasn't supposed to. At first I panicked (being alone) and then "dove" onto the counter edge and out popped the pill.
Scary stuff, choking. :-\
nice work [thumbsup] i'm sure your friend will remember your quick thinking forever.
i choked on a piece of steak at my 8th birthday dinner.
my family thought i was reacting to the horseradish.
they did nothing, and i ended up trying to leave to find help elsewhere.
i didn't make it far, i had no idea what to do...
instinct kicked in, and i leaned over a table, and the steak came out.
that was probably one of, if not the most, scariest experience i've ever had in my life.
JOHN LEHR CHOKES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EggASNPfD_Q&feature=related#hq)
Much like this fellow?
Quote from: IZ on March 21, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
Nuh uh!! It said broken ribs were a "side effect" on Wikipedia
;D
Cartilage and breastbone always break during adult CPR. Choking, as Cyrus said, does not break ribs.
I didn't read that on wiki.
I watched a xxx (fill in the blank to adhere to rules) break a friends ribs doing the heimleich back in college
[thumbsup] [thumbsup] [clap] [clap]
Nice work!!!
I choked on a plum when I was younger and my mom had to do it to me. My dad didn't even notice, he thought it was the cat coughing. :-\
I flayed about at first missing the mark, but after I found the location just under the rib cage, the steak came up and out. My dog ate it, which was great comic relief. I immediately thought about the what if's, like what the make the beast with two backs did people do before we understood anatomy, and what the make the beast with two backs would we have done if no one present had training. Man what an event, I brought it here to keep everyone involved anonymous, but it shook me up big time. I love that make the beast with two backsing guy and his face was pretty miserable, won't soon forget it.
But yeah [beer] and [bacon] resume as normal!!
The last american red cross cpr training i went to said not to even bother w/ the hymlic anymore.
Go straight to CPR.
No more 30 - 2 either. Just as many as you can do in 30 seconds and then 2 breaths.
No more two first over the navel, just somewhere in the chest.
Break ribs? Oh well, they''ll be alive...
*shrugs*
but good job.
Quote from: wbeck257 on March 22, 2009, 10:08:56 AM
The last american red cross cpr training i went to said not to even bother w/ the hymlic anymore.
Go straight to CPR.
No more 30 - 2 either. Just as many as you can do in 30 seconds and then 2 breaths.
No more two first over the navel, just somewhere in the chest.
Break ribs? Oh well, they''ll be alive...
*shrugs*
but good job.
Not being trained in CPR...They were choking.
What good are the breaths doing if the airway is obstructed?
...it's not computing in my tiny computer on my shoulders. ???
Quote from: wbeck257 on March 22, 2009, 10:08:56 AM
The last american red cross cpr training i went to said not to even bother w/ the hymlic anymore.
Go straight to CPR.
No more 30 - 2 either. Just as many as you can do in 30 seconds and then 2 breaths.
No more two first over the navel, just somewhere in the chest.
Break ribs? Oh well, they''ll be alive...
*shrugs*
but good job.
Must have been American Heart Association, not Red Cross. Our curriculem is set and used nation wide by all RC instructors. if it was a Red Cross class, the instructor should be fired. If you have questions PM me. I work for the Red Cross.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 22, 2009, 10:28:05 AM
Not being trained in CPR...They were choking.
What good are the breaths doing if the airway is obstructed?
...it's not computing in my tiny computer on my shoulders. ???
You are right Nate. Conscious choking is no call for CPR. 5 Back blows then 5 abdominal thrusts (Heimlich) repeat until the object shoots out. CPR is for dead people.
Quote from: Speedbag on March 22, 2009, 05:48:43 AM
You can do it on yourself too. Years ago I was home alone, and hung over as hell. I was in the kitchen, standing in front of the sink, and went to take two or three aspirin caplets (the long and skinny ones). I popped them in my mouth and damned if one didn't fly back and lodge right where is wasn't supposed to. At first I panicked (being alone) and then "dove" onto the counter edge and out popped the pill.
Yup, you can use the back of a chair too.
BTW, if you are eating with someone and see them put their hand to their mouth, quickly get up and go to the bathroom, try to make them talk to you.
Some people get embarrassed when they are choking, but going off on your own is dangerous if you are choking. People die that way.
If they can talk to you, they are not choking.
And props to the OP for his quick actions. [thumbsup]
If a person is coughing they are not choking. Encourage them to keep coughing. When they can no longer cough they are choking. Get consent to help, have someone call 911, and then help.
[thumbsup] to the op for quick action. Somegirl is correct that many choking people go to the restroom. Guys at restaurants go outside. Follow them. They may be to panicked to help themselves.
I feel like I am at work, so this all on this topic for me!
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on March 22, 2009, 10:42:57 AM
You are right Nate. Conscious choking is no call for CPR. 5 Back blows then 5 abdominal thrusts (Heimlich) repeat until the object shoots out. CPR is for dead people.
AHA curriculum is pretty standard and Adam is right. It's currently 30/2 with a rate of about 100 compressions per minute.
Back blows are only used on infants and toddlers.
Heimlich maneuver is used until the victim goes unconscious, they they are lowered to the floor and chest compressions are done.
This is per the current BLS for Health Care Providers curriculum.
Quote from: NAKID on March 22, 2009, 12:33:57 PM
AHA curriculum is pretty standard and Adam is right. It's currently 30/2 with a rate of about 100 compressions per minute.
Back blows are only used on infants and toddlers.
Heimlich maneuver is used until the victim goes unconscious, they they are lowered to the floor and chest compressions are done.
This is per the current BLS for Health Care Providers curriculum.
Red Cross teaches back blows for adults, children and infants. It is our standard for health care providers.
Hmmm, I wonder why they teach something completely different than the AHA? Military uses AHA for everything, even the Heartsaver course for non-medical personnel...
Quote from: NAKID on March 22, 2009, 12:33:57 PM
AHA curriculum is pretty standard and Adam is right. It's currently 30/2 with a rate of about 100 compressions per minute.
Back blows are only used on infants and toddlers.
Heimlich maneuver is used until the victim goes unconscious, they they are lowered to the floor and chest compressions are done.
This is per the current BLS for Health Care Providers curriculum.
My question still stands then.
What good are breaths if the airway is blocked?
I admit I have no training, but common sense says if the air isn't entering the lungs all CPR is accomplishing is to circulate oxygen deficient/depleted blood.
What good is that?
Blood on it's way back to the heart to be pumped to the lungs still has about 75% oxygen saturation. Your body doesn't use every bit of O2 in the blood the first time around. The chest compressions after the victim passes out is to help dislodge the object blocking the airway. Sometimes the airway relaxing after the victim passing out is enough for the object to be dislodged easily...
I almost killed my friend.
Took him for Sushi for the first time ever. We ordered an assortment and a big shrimp tempura roll that stood about 3" tall with all kind of stuff hanging off it. I told him it was bad manners if you dont put the whole thing in your mouth. Just as he did, the waitress tapped him on the shoulder startling him and making him inhale the roll. Next thing I knew, his face is turning ble, eyes are bulging and he's desperately reaching into his own mouth to clear out seaweed, shrimp and chunks of rice. I didnt even notice til he started banging on the table to get my attention....that waitress was HOTT!
Luckily he cleared it out. I felt like a dick but still break his balls about it now...
Quote from: ducpainter on March 22, 2009, 12:59:52 PM
My question still stands then.
What good are breaths if the airway is blocked?
I admit I have no training, but common sense says if the air isn't entering the lungs all CPR is accomplishing is to circulate oxygen deficient/depleted blood.
What good is that?
When a choking person goes unconscious, check for signs of life (object may have dislodged on the way down), if none, try two rescue breaths, if they do not go in try again (think user error) if they do not go in the second time the airway is officially obstructed. Give 30 chest thrust at 100 beats a minute (takes 18 seconds), grab the tongue and look for object. If no object, try 2 breaths (maybe object went down), if breath does not go in give 30 more chest thrusts. Look for object, see object? Grab it. Try 2 breaths, if the breaths go in check for signs of life. Professional rescuers only do 5 chests thrusts every cycle. At the end, if there are no signs of life then start CPR.
AHA sucks, plain and simple. I have learned CPR 19 different ways. just pick one for christs sake. every year it is different, then different for laymen vs rescuer, then different for 1 or 2 rescuer, then different for each of the 4 age catagories...its make the beast with two backsing stupid...it is a skill that should be standardized across the board due to the fact for most everyone CPR is a panic situation and you don't need to a bunch of confusion as to which way to do it...its even worse when there are multiple trained people who learned in different years each telling the others they are doing it wrong
That's one of the things they recently changed, the only difference now is 2 rescuer infant CPR...
So wait......
CPR does not entail taking the unconscious persons wallet first?
I've been doing it wrong for years.
no, there is still a difference between layman, rescuer, 1 and 2 rescuer and then infant. also there is the way it is actually done in the field and then there is ACLS CPR and ROC Study CPR...way too much
AND...they are just going to change it again next year...
That's true, they change it a lot. Not that it matters to me, it's the protocol I am required to adhere to....
Yep, they frikkin change CPR every year and it's a pain in the ass. It all gets the job done.
Good on ya for saving your friend. [beer]
When I was a kid, probably 5 or 6, my cousin choked on a gobstopper. I didn't even notice. Luckily, all the men in my family were firemen. My uncle ran over and grabbed my cousin and in one big stroke picked him up against his chest and gave him a helluve Heimlich. The gobstopper went flying through the air and nailed the opposite wall really hard, leaving a purple stain. I laughed til I nearly peed myself. So I learned about the heimlich at a young age.
Awesomeness man!
Badass fabricator and now life saver? You should be listed under awesome in the dictionary [thumbsup]
awesome, you too are a hero!!
http://www.robotchicken.org/index.php?title=Heimlich_Begins (http://www.robotchicken.org/index.php?title=Heimlich_Begins)
lol...
we learned a new way again this year. add another training dvd to the stack of outdated ones.