A 1985 Cagiva Alazzurra in excellent condition powered by a Ducati 650 Pantah motor.
I picked it up yesterday, and I gotta say this bike is fun!
It definitely takes off, handles, and stops pretty well for a 23 year old motorcycle.
(http://i10.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/39/ff/30b9_3.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/15/!BOf9zCgB2k~$(KGrHgoOKj4EjlLmY+TiBJvBthMFqQ~~_3.JPG)
(http://i13.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/39/ff/b49f_3.JPG)
(http://i17.ebayimg.com/07/i/001/39/ff/ba8a_3.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BOgF3NwCGk~$(KGrHgoOKi8EjlLm(rUzBJvCMp5dFw~~_3.JPG)
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Check out the Alazzurra group on yahoo groups.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alazzurra/ (http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alazzurra/)
Same bike under a diff name
Cagiva bought Ducati and redesigned the Pantah 600TL's fairings and updated the electrics and used the engine from the 650SL. Otherwise, identical bike. The engines, frames and everything were assembled and shipped to Varese for final assembly, so the VIN says Varese, but they were built in Bologna.
Your bike says "Cagiva" but it's a Ducati, heart and soul.
If you have the dry clutch version, it says HC on it but if you look at it upside down, it is strangely familiar.
Here is the 650 TL.. Look at the exhaust hangers / rear peg mounts. Identical to the Ally's. This style is unique to the 600TL among Pantahs. The first Ally's also had chrome engines, Cagiva decided to do them in black after 84. The frame for the 600TL and the Ally are identical and in Cagiva's marketing literature, the USA version of the Ally 650 with a half fairing was called a TL (NOT THE 650SS version -- full fairing)
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20600TL%2082%20%201.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Cagiva%20Alzzurra%20650%20GT%2085%20%201.jpg)
Sounds like a cool bike. Can't see the pics.
and you know within 5 posts someone is bound to ask the question. ;D ;D ;D (all in good fun)
Quote from: Statler on March 24, 2009, 07:04:34 AM
Sounds like a cool bike. Can't see the pics.
and you know within 5 posts someone is bound to ask the question. ;D ;D ;D (all in good fun)
yup..... is it registered?
Quote from: BellissiMoto on March 24, 2009, 06:17:36 AM
http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16008&d=1237816330 (http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16008&d=1237816330)
http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16007&d=1237816330 (http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16007&d=1237816330)
http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16010&d=1237816330 (http://www.ducati-superbikes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16010&d=1237816330)
these links are not working images, mang
Quote from: bobspapa on March 24, 2009, 07:12:12 AM
yup..... is it registered?
I was going top speed. ;)
Quote from: Statler on March 24, 2009, 07:18:11 AM
I was going top speed. ;)
sorry..... I digged when I should have poked
Pictures fixed.
Also, bike is registered and insured.
That is a wet clutch version, GT(TL) model. Cagiva alternately called it a 650 GT or 650 TL in the USA.
it has the same wet clutch as the early M600 and M750, so plates are interchangeable as is the piston (and it's a VERY good idea to open that sucker up and replace the piston seal with a modern EPDM material type, the originals are natural rubber)
front brakes are the small F05 type, which is the same as the back on that model. pads are easy to find, and TONS of bikes have that model caliper. Just search "Brembo F05". Also, the rotors are the same on the front and back (260mm).
Forks are 35mm Marzocchi and occasionally Paioli. Rear shocks are the Marzocchi E82 Stradas and are soso, there are aftermarket shocks available. I like the Progressive Suspension 14 series, which are cheapish and very good for the price. You can get the Ikons which are Koni copies but thye are pricey.
Plenty of tire options available, I like the Bridgestone BT45s or the Dunlop K591..
cool scoot.
and lots of good info from 'tizzz.
I HAD ONE JUST LIKE THAT. great ride. turns great and the brakes are scary good until they get hot.
get a clutch rebuild kit on order, your going to need it and A BATTERY TENDER, plug it in every time you get home that little tiny clock in the dash will kill the battery in about 45 hours.
congrats great, seldom seen bike.
Quote from: yamifixer on March 24, 2009, 09:17:58 AM
get a clutch rebuild kit on order, your going to need it and A BATTERY TENDER, plug it in every time you get home that little tiny clock in the dash will kill the battery in about 45 hours.
yeah, that clock is a POS.. they work, but they do drain the battery
i swapped mine with a combo volt/amp meter. Much more useful
Quote from: ducatizzzz on March 24, 2009, 09:20:55 AM
yeah, that clock is a POS.. they work, but they do drain the battery
i swapped mine with a combo volt/amp meter. Much more useful
Thanks for all the information and the messages Ducatizzzz,
I'll definitely be replacing that clock, you wouldn't happen to have any recommendations as to which one to use/where to get it would you?
Quote from: BellissiMoto on March 24, 2009, 06:26:32 PM
Thanks for all the information and the messages Ducatizzzz,
I'll definitely be replacing that clock, you wouldn't happen to have any recommendations as to which one to use/where to get it would you?
The one I got is a dual volt/ammeter and comes from a cockpit (airplane) supplier. I got it free from my uncle who is a pilot, and they are not cheap, i.e. >150-200. You can get almost any 2" series voltmeter or ammeter from Autozone or Advance Auto for around $20 or cheaper if you look online.
if you REALLY want a dual read setup, skulk around ebay for a "2 in 1" volt/amp meter. they come up frequently, but you'll have to do some home-engineering to install it, they are usually used.
You can put any 2" series cockpit gauge in that spot. Once you open the panel, you'll see it is easy.
I've found the ammeter to be less than useful overall, the voltmeter tells me when the battery is weak, but the ammeter can tell me that the alternator's health or how the battery is charging, which is great, but useless 99% of the time, and once it goes, it really goes quick.
If I hadn't gotten that gauge free I might have put an oil temp gauge instead, they are easy and you can plug the sensor into a bunch of different places:
http://www.sasab.com/Gauge-oil-temp-d960.aspx (http://www.sasab.com/Gauge-oil-temp-d960.aspx)
You can also get oil pressure gauges, but the senders are usually kind of large.
Basically, you can put ANY 2-2.25" gauge in that spot and it will be better than the clock for your riding.
one more thing, your petcocks are not the original.
the originals had two hose connections, one side was to loop to the other petcock to keep the fuel flow balanced. when you use a "regular" petcock, you can have a situation where the fuel going to one carb runs out, due to the design onf the gas tank.
you can put a dual hose banjo on the carb, it is REALLY easy to do. then put a piece of hose between the carbs on the second nozzle and you balance the fuel
use these:
(http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/guzzino_2042_32502332)
instead of this: (what you have now)
(http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/guzzino_2042_69839749)
Your a great help buddy, and I'll definitely make sure these issues are cleared up before summer shows up and it goes on some long rides.
Out of curiousity, what kind of fuel range do you think I'll see from her?
Quote from: BellissiMoto on March 25, 2009, 11:54:06 AM
Your a great help buddy, and I'll definitely make sure these issues are cleared up before summer shows up and it goes on some long rides.
Out of curiousity, what kind of fuel range do you think I'll see from her?
if you jet the carbs right, you can get 40-50 mpg highway miles. i usually clock around 40 in the city and that is with the factory carbs, jetted for my area.
I have a very simular bike. Its a Cagiva Elefant (Duel Sport). 650 ducati pantah engine. Mine has a kick start. I'm having voltage regulator issues. Parts for these things are hard to find.
Quote from: wllgmr on March 25, 2009, 02:32:40 PM
I have a very simular bike. Its a Cagiva Elefant (Duel Sport). 650 ducati pantah engine. Mine has a kick start. I'm having voltage regulator issues. Parts for these things are hard to find.
PM me if you need help
they are not as hard to find as you think.
the voltage regulator is common to 100s of bikes.
Quote from: wllgmr on March 25, 2009, 02:32:40 PM
I have a very simular bike. Its a Cagiva Elefant (Duel Sport). 650 ducati pantah engine. Mine has a kick start. I'm having voltage regulator issues. Parts for these things are hard to find.
http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/rr51-regulator-rectifier-regulator-rectifier-ducati-cagiva-laverda-350ss-400ss-600ss-750ss-900ss-500-pantah-600-750-900-monster-748-750f1-737-0.html (http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/rr51-regulator-rectifier-regulator-rectifier-ducati-cagiva-laverda-350ss-400ss-600ss-750ss-900ss-500-pantah-600-750-900-monster-748-750f1-737-0.html)
Quote from: wllgmr on March 25, 2009, 02:32:40 PM
I have a very simular bike. Its a Cagiva Elefant (Duel Sport). 650 ducati pantah engine. Mine has a kick start. I'm having voltage regulator issues. Parts for these things are hard to find.
I have one too, an '86. There's a place in California that specializes in Elefant parts and I think they sell the Electrex voltage regulators that Howie mentioned. You may already be a member, but if not, they also sponsor the "Elefant List" which is an email list similar to the old original DML format. Lots of support there, mainly for the newer Elefants but still lots of 650 owners belong to it.
www.elefantadventurebikes.com (//http://)
Other than some electrical gremlins and clutch issues, mine's been OK. The motor seems bullet proof.
Thanks.
Quote from: Langanobob on March 26, 2009, 02:55:10 AM
I have one too, an '86. There's a place in California that specializes in Elefant parts and I think they sell the Electrex voltage regulators that Howie mentioned. You may already be a member, but if not, they also sponsor the "Elefant List" which is an email list similar to the old original DML format. Lots of support there, mainly for the newer Elefants but still lots of 650 owners belong to it.
www.elefantadventurebikes.com (//http://) (//http://) (//http://)
Other than some electrical gremlins and clutch issues, mine's been OK. The motor seems bullet proof.
I have a new one that I'll sell for $60.00 plus shipping.
Quote from: MonsterMan1036 on March 26, 2009, 07:54:37 AM
I have a new one that I'll sell for $60.00 plus shipping.
sold
Tizzzz & Bella - dude; thanks I leant something new today! Its good to get an "edjumacation"....
so tizz you didnt put your refrence list down or did all that come form your grey matter? Impressive either way ... [thumbsup]
Cheers!
Quote from: DuciD03 on March 26, 2009, 09:19:27 PM
Tizzzz & Bella - dude; thanks I leant something new today! Its good to get an "edjumacation"....
so tizz you didnt put your refrence list down or did all that come form your grey matter? Impressive either way ... [thumbsup]
Cheers!
i've had these bikes for years now, and fretted and worried over them, so it's all in my head.