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Hi Ladies and Gentlemen - I'm in the research phase for which clip-on/risers to fit to my M696 [edit:and M1100] and I know y'all will have some valuable input for me.... so other than the price difference, what's your thoughts on the plus and minus of these bars by Swatt and Speedymoto?

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http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/08-0250/Bars-Mirrors/08-0250.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/08-0250/Bars-Mirrors/08-0250.html)

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http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/CL-50/Bars-Mirrors/CL-50.html (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/CL-50/Bars-Mirrors/CL-50.html)

I'm thinking 3.5" rise......  

Looking forward to your comments, expert advice and general musings.....  Thanks guys  :)

Swatts are mounted in front of the forks. The result is a slightly longer reach and narrower position of the bars - compared to the SpeedyMoto. Compared to stock, mostly because of the added sweep, the reach is shorter. You will be able, if so needed, to have a steeper sweep back angle without the bars hitting the tank.

The SpeedyMotos are mounted on the sides of the forks. Because everything is further outwards, the sweep angle might (?) be set similar to the Swatt set up, without being limited to a smaller sweep angle. The reach will be shorter than stock and even shorter than with Swatts.

SpeedyMotos have extra adjustability for the bar angles. That feature could be valuable.

I have not been able to establish if the spacers are required for the SpeedyMoto/coffin masters combo. If not, the price difference decreases.

To me, the SpeedyMoto seems to be higher than the 3.5" Swatt, even if the information tells me they should be the same(?).

SpeedyMoto has told me that the coffin reservoir masters fit the tall boy clip-ons without spacers.

Thanks for your reply stopintime.... [thumbsup]   Although I'm not clear on what you meant when you said this:


Do I understand that coz the Speedymotos are mounted outboard of the forks there's a wider range of sweep angle before the bars would contact the tank when compared to the Swatts??  And so potentially offer greater range for adjustment??

I agree, that form the pics Speedymoto's 3.5" looks like a taller rise than Swatt's 3.5" - I guess it comes down to the definition of 3.5" of rise...... as measured from where?!   ???

Thanks again.

I would love to see the answer to that question.  I have a set of cyclecats off a multistroodle I have yet to install.  They have quite a bit of rise, but not sure how to reference the measurement to compare them to other options.  Is it from the top of the fork tube clamp to the center of the bar clamp?  That seems to make the most sense......

On your first question: yes, that's what I meant. I haven't tried the SpeedyMotos, but it seems logical.

Second question: I have been told by both manufacturers that the rise is compared to a clip on without rise (as in under the triple). I think the correct way to measure them is from bottom/center/top of one - to the same place on the other. Not sure if both manufacturers do it that way.
My guess is that SpeedyMoto might be comparing with their normal clip ons - which has a 20mm (4/5") built in rise to begin with. Worth checking?
They should be able to give a measurement on the whole assembly to compare with the 5" of the Swatts.

The whole Swatt assembly is 5" - I want a number from bar center of a no-rise to bar center of a 3.5" ----- I deduct 5mm x 2 for the material on top and bottom and I deduct one bar thickness of 22mm = 93mm/3.7". Close enough to say Swatt has the "correct" measurements.

Question on coffin masters without spacer: I seriously doubt it. On my bike it could just maybe have worked on the clutch side, but no way on the brake side!
Swatt originally said that no spacers were required, but it turned out that was from working on older bikes, which had the smaller reservoirs on the brake side as well. Maybe SpeedyMoto is doing the same mistake?

Well sorry for the confusion, we (SpeedyMoto) measured our 3.5 inch rise from the top of the (average) top triple clamp to bar center, or 4.5 inches from bottom of top triple clamp to bar center or 5 inches compared to a clip-on with no rise..  Our Tall Boy' s have been designed specifically for the Monsters and Sport Classics to give you maximum adjustment.  Our "outboard fork" design allows this with no interference with the gauges and headlight bracket.  There is no need for new brake lines and the small coffin style master cylinders will fit.  The coffin masters can inhibit some of the adjustment range the Tall Boys are capable of  but adjustment is still reasonable and you don't need to run spacers.

Thanks,

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Thanks to you too [thumbsup]

What is the total height of your Tall Boys? It seems like the fork clamps and bar pinch clamps are similar to Swatts and it would answer the question brought up here and in other topics, conserning the difference between yours and Swatt's.

For the 696, S2R800 and possibly other bikes (?) with the larger brake master reservoirs - a spacer is still required, right?



BTW - here's my SpeedyMoto top triple with the 2.5" Swatts (now changed to 3.5"). Very nice piece of aluminum. Sold my SpeedyMoto risers for $200.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/clipons001.jpg)

Thanks for that, really appreciate the response  [thumbsup].... excellent.   

Are you able to offer some clarification to stopintime's question: "For the 696, S2R800 and possibly other bikes (?) with the larger brake master reservoirs - a spacer is still required, right?"

And....  do you have plans to produce a top-triple to fit the M696 anytime soon? (say "yes" and you have an order  :))


Thanks again too to stopintime for taking the trouble to share the benefit of your understanding - I think I'm clear that I'll be going the Speedymoto bars, but will hold off until a top-triple clamp is available for M696 so I can do the whole job in one go.

Well, I received so much helpful info from the guys at Speedymoto that I went ahead and ordered their 3.5" riser bars and a cool new top-triple.....  I'll keep y'all posted on the progress whe I receive my new goodies from 'em.

independently of the riding position, I have not tried either, the Swatt location in relation to the triple (in front) looks much better. It seems to me to be the traditional sport position of clipons, more cafe racer. the side location (Speedymoto) looks a bit more like the position you find in touring bikes. I ordered the Swats but have not receive them yet. I will port as soon as I install them. Hopefully tonight!!

SpeedyMoto has top triples for the monsters 696 right now, its the lower that we are working on currently.

question , how will those work with an s2r1k?

i just got a cycle cat triple and now looking for some raised clip ons...im already short so the higher the better and narrower.....

im also assuming that u have to extend all the wiring and stuff...

thx
Mousey

If I'm not wrong, the Cycle Cat Triple has too much material in the frontal area for the Swatts to fit. Not sure, but being mounted on the outside the SpeedyMoto Tall Boys might fit.
SpeedyMoto has told us that there is no need for new wires or hoses. At the most you will have to reroute some of them.

With the SpeedyMoto you'll be close to stock height, but still lower. They are about an inch taller than the 3.5" Swatts. My 3.5" Swatts put the grips two inches lower than with stock bars (mostly because of the downward angle of the bars on clip on systems). The reach will be shorter on both systems, depending on how much sweep angle you choose. On my bike it's about an inch closer.

If all you want is functionality, the Rizoma bars will bring the height up by two inches, about an inch closer to you and provide a sweep angle which IMO is much more comfortable for the wrists. (that is if you are not set on using the Cycle Cat Triple)

The Cyclecat top-triple truly is a thing of beauty though.....  Still waiting for my Speedymoto top-triple and riser bars....[roll]   I think the Speedy guys are waiting on a shipment from the bauxite mine  ;)

Seven weeks and still waiting but at least my SpeedyMoto bars have made it into production...  
Off to be anodized next, so still a couple of weeks before I get to post pictures of 'em fitted up...  [coffee]

those are sweet I might pic up a set and see if I like them better than my setup

Good luck "picking up" a set....  ordered mine exactly 2 months ago..... still waiting but they gotta be here any day now [coffee]

Sorry to hijack your thread but I didn't want to start another redundant thread..

Since the Speedymoto's seem to be forever on backorder, I have now considered the Swatt 3.5" clip-ons and the Suburban Machinery bar.

Which bars sit higher but are slightly lower than the stock handlebar?

Tsk...... you havent been paying attention, have you?  ;)  Go back one page and I think between stopintime and speedy your question is answered.  Unless I misunderstood, which is a common option too  [bang].

 [laugh]  My lazy spell set in before I read the entire thread. I think I'm going to end up ordering the Suburban Machinery bar. It seems like a good compromise between the clip-ons from Swatt and the stock handlebar.

I'm very interested in the tall boys... The only pictures I've seen of them are the stock photos, which don't really show them very well. Please post shots whenever you get them!

I can't wait for pictures as well. I'd love the Speedymoto clip-ons but I can't wait 2+ months for them.  :'(

Why not?  If its what you want, its worth waiting for  ;D  (even though 2 months is ridiculous). 

When they arrive... [coffee]...and they're fitted.... [drink] ....there will be pics for sure!

boys and girls.........
The motorbike that the speedymoto tall boys are fitted to is my bike.
If you want pictures of how they look on the bike etc just send me an email and i'll send some out.
I dont know how to post the pictures on here , otherwise I would.
Have a great day!

You can upload pictures at http://imageshack.us/ (http://imageshack.us/) then post them on the forum

PM sent for email pics.
Thanks
Matty...

My Speedymoto top-triple and Tall Boys are arrived  ;D    There will be pics...watch this space  [popcorn]

 [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn]

I have been waiting for better pics of the Tall Boys.

Wake up and take some pictures!! It's almost 5am in Australia.  [laugh]

And its winter.  So, when I leave home to head off to the Salt Mines its still dark.... and when they release me from my day's toil.... its dark again when I get home.....  But tomorrow I'll be out riding for the whole day and I'll take my camera along, honest  ;)

As promised >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25025.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25025.0)

Alright. So I thought I'd give you a run down on how the install went.....  If you're looking for straight swap-out mod then this isnt quite it... a little cursing and piss-farting around was required to get things exactly as I wanted.

Firstly, Speedymoto told me that their top-triple fits M696.  And true enough it does fit.  I wont go into swapping out the stock top-triple and fitting the Speedymoto item, its pretty uncomplicated - off with the old, on with the new.  Mounting the headlight assembly up to the Speedymoto top-triple is not quite straightforward however.  More about that later. So, after you get rid of your stock top-triple first thing is to drop on the Tall Boys...
                                                                                          
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When the new bars are in place obviously the new top triple goes.....you guessed it... on top.  Then its time to play around with the bar height until you get something you're happy with, for me that was around 37mm (I know you own a calculator so go figure your itty-bitty inch things if you need to) below the stock bar height. The Speedymoto bars have more available "fall" to them - depending on how you orientate them - so my final grip height is lowered by more than 37mm - although I neglected to measure exactly how much more).
                                                                  
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/3643657516_10debd0d63.jpg?v=0)  (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/3643667760_863bb42f7d.jpg?v=0)

Available sweepback angle with the Tall Boys is their greatest limitation, and I was initially disappointed that I couldn't achieve anything much more radical than stock without compromising steering lock more than I was willing.  However, when I took em out for a 300km test ride I found that the modest sweepback worked fine. Without having fitted 'em myself, I reckon much more radical sweepback angle is probably achievable using Swatts.

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Speedymoto told me that spacers would not be needed for the reservoirs to clear the bars..... and whilst this is just true.... I found that I couldnt get exactly the adjustment I wanted without em.... Here's my lock-to-lock and cyclecat spacers (thanks Speedmade [thumbsup]).

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/3646979124_3acb0738e2.jpg?v=0)  (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3658/3646183237_00620b6980.jpg?v=0)  (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3365/3646979122_5089fb9c8f.jpg?v=0)

Alright...so now the headlight assembly has gotta be fitted.... Speedymoto were pretty helpful & sent me pics of their 696 test rig... their pics show the headlight mounted to to upper face of the top-triple using the stock brackets.  Firstly IMO this looks kinda silly and secondly if you raise the headlight to the top of the top-triple it isnt going to be able to be bolted back up to the stock lower-triple mounting points as I think it'll be too high.  

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2452/3646202471_ab772511e0.jpg?v=0)  (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3647018866_c3b7a40967.jpg?v=0)

So who wants a higher headlight? Not me. I went the under side of the top triple to mount up my headlight and fitted a 5mm spacer between the top triple and the stock headlight mounting brackets, overall result is that the headlight is now 5mm lower than stock.  Which I like 8).  There's a little conflict with the profile of the Speedymoto top-triple and the stock headlight assembly which means that when the headlight is mounted it sits around 5mm further forward than stock.  I wasnt completely thrilled with this but theres no getting round it. I balanced the headlight assembly top to bottom by fitting yet more 5mm spacers between it and its lower rubber mounts so that the whole assembly retained the original profile (just all moved ahead 5mm - if that makes sense).

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3624/3646137931_86be3b7216.jpg?v=0)  (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3646965008_fc6fe5972c.jpg?v=0) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2436/3646189389_82360fac04.jpg?v=0)

The finished article [drink]

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I've since modified the instrument binnacle mounting brackets so that it now sits lower and tighter into the top triple - eliminates that "perched on top" look.

great write-up  [thumbsup]

Thanks Takster....  but just when I thought I was done...lol... I aint done.    I ordered me a set of 3.5" Swatts from Jeff at Monsterparts.  I'm pretty happy with the Speedymotos.... I love the look... but I just cant shrug off wanting to get a more radical sweep-back on the bars.... sooooo....  I'm gonna to try some Swatts on for size.  I'm waiting to hear back from Jeff regarding a small issue with 'em but once we get thru that, and I get 'em fitted up... I'll update the pics so y'all can see the difference between Speedymoto and Swatt. 

I'll be very interested in the differences you find between them.
I was all over this mod when I got my S4Rs but have backed off for a bit.
I was choosing between the same two products but being such a massive change couldn't decide.
Will keep my eye on how you go with it.

Thanks for pointing me to this thread, ungeheuer! Can't wait to see how the Swatts will mount since they're upfront instead of to the sides like your Tallboys. Hope you won't run into issues with the headlight (torch?) brackets. I did send an email to Swatt last night asking if they are aware of any issues. I'll keep you posted on their response.

Oh, did you need to drill to get your controls on? Clip ons are all new and foreign to me.

I don't want to be the bearer of bad news. I checked with hamsandwich as he mounted the swatt clip ons to his M696. http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18644.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18644.0) As you recall, he changed his headlight. I asked if he was able to mount the swatt clip ons with the OEM light and he said no.  :(

I sent Anthony Creek, Desmoworks, an email asking if there are other options that will give me the sweep back, but not require a total new headlight set up. I'll keep you posted.

Maybe you can figure a way to work around this little hiccup.

Yup, I'm aware of Hamsandwich's work.  I'll be keeping the stock headlight on mine, so either the Swatts will fit or they wont  ;D   If it "cant be done" then I'll try harder (I'm tenacious and/or stupid....lol).

Take a look here and let's discuss....

The M1100 top triple seems larger (in front) than on the S*R. Will the Swatt clear the triple at all?
I'm afraid of this issue - maybe you'll need to mount above the triple - if so, you'll need a lower/no rise Swatt. Both MonsterParts and Swatt will replace the ones you ordered. Or you might be able to grind off some of the riser part, which is quite beefy.

Will there be room for the fork clamp behind the headlight plastic cover?
Again, I'm afraid not. Some plastic must go - if that doesn't damage the headlight functionality.

Will there be interference brake parts/fairing?
Judging distances is never easy just from looking at photos. Ditch the bikini?

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Your valuable input is always welcome stopintime  [thumbsup] Sooo...  here's where I'm approaching the issue from:

My M1100 will have speedymoto top-triple fitted which will make impossible the option of installing any clip-ons above the triple coz it lives higher up the stanchion tubes than the stock triple.  I'm hopeful however that there will be sufficient room to mount the Swatts ahead of it.  With the speedymoto top-triple fitted the headlight sits forward - that is ahead of - its stock position by around 5mm, I'm hoping this will provide enough additional clearance to allow fork clamps to be fitted.  Ditch the bikini?  For sure, that goes regardless!  And doubtless there will be some piss-farting around getting the reservoirs, controls etc... to not wanna fight with everything else.  So there's no certainty that its gonna be successful, but I'll give it a go and then - one way or the other - we'll all be a little wiser  :)  [bang]  [laugh].

I'm optimistic - it's more likely to work than not [thumbsup]

What is it with me and 3.5" risers??  You'd think the hard part would be figuring out how it all goes together, yet I've discovered that merely obtaining such items is a feat all of its own [bang].  Having waited more than 2 months for my Speedymoto bars.... I now find myself on hold - after a supplier hiccup - for Swatts.  If its material shortages that you good citizens of the USA suffer, then I'm happy to wander out to the back yard and dig up some bauxite for the smelter.... *sigh*

If you are going to mount in a low position again - SpeedyMoto have the 2.5" in stock

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=38%7CAluminum%20Billet&productID=6705&showDetail=1&categoryID=45 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myproducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=38%7CAluminum%20Billet&productID=6705&showDetail=1&categoryID=45)|Ducati%20Monster%20Billet&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts

So... y'know I got to thinking about this.....  and you're right... why have 3.5" riser clip-ons and then fit 'em way down the fork leg?  Link followed, 2.5" Swatts ordered, received.... and fitted  ;D

 [evil] Ask me if its possible to mount Swatts with the OEM headlight  ;D ;D  Was almost 1am when I finished so no I dont have photographic evidence.  Yet.  

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2561/3979955596_bf959f3089.jpg)

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As expected, its possible to achieve a more radical sweep back with the 10 to 2 mounted Swatts than the 1/4 to 9 mounted Tallboys.  And dont forget that I had to back out the steering lock stops 2mm each side to prevent the tallboys from contacting the tank, whereas the Swatts are fitted with the steering stops left in stock position (although I have not yet had chance to be absolutely sure about tank clearance coz my tank skins are still at the paint shop).  The 2.5" Swatts mounted directly beneath the top triple give a lower grip height that the Tallboys (which I mounted 37mm below the top triple) and have a little greater reach. 

Speedymoto's Tallboys are a beautifully crafted piece of workmanship, machined as they are from a single piece of billet whereas the bolt-together Swatts have all the svelte style of a '78 Zil limousine.  For me (for once) practical wins over style. The big advantage of Swatts vs Speedymoto Tallboys IMO is the extra sweepback angle at no cost to available steering lock. 

I'm proud of you  [thumbsup] Well done!

I'm still not the biggest 696/1100 fan, but your bike is making my resistance weaker, little by little ;)

Looking neat, I better pick my game up!

ungeheuer - bike looks great.

I am looking at the photos and it looks like the Swatt clamps hang over the top of the forks (just by the adjusters).  Is this the case, and if so does this mean you are not able to slide them dows an inch if you wanted to for a race?

Adam
Portland, Oregon

Good observation Adam [thumbsup]

This is how it goes with the Swatts.

To mount coffin style master cylinders on Swatt clip ons, we need to swap the right/left riser part and mount them "backwards". (still need a pair of spacers from MonsterParts/Corsair Industries though)
The lower type Swatts can't be used for this application, but the 2.5" and the 3.5" can.
3.5" can, as you mention, be adjusted an inch down if so needed.

On bikes with remote reservoirs, like the M1100, I'm not sure the backwards/swap set up is required.
If it's not - a wide adjustment range would be possible.

I'm sure Ungeheuer will tell us if Swatts could be mounted as intended or if they still need to be backwards/swapped.

Sorry for stepping in like this, I mean well.

OK - this answer is gonna be messy, so apologies in advance......  As mounted, you're correct my 2.5" Swatts are not able to be lowered as the bar mounting boss on the risers has the larger side (with the bar clamping bolts) inboard and therefor overhanging the top of the forks preventing lowering.  

Now here's where it gets confusing.....
True.  But after you've lowered your 3.5" Swatts down 1" you're still above the forks in exactly that same way as if you had fitted 2.5" Swatts.  So, I guess 3.5" give you the option of running at 3.5" height or by dropping 1" at = to 2.5" height.  Whereas with 2.5" thats it.  But neither of these will allow you to lower beyond the top of the forks coz of the above mentioned contact by the bar mounting boss.....  unless.....

.....and more confusing still....
Was true. Now not the case.  My Swatts are not mounted "backwards" whereas stopintime's (correct me if I'm wrong here) are mounted backwards, yet compare pictures of both our setups (help me here stopintime) and you'll see that they appear mounted in exactly the same manner!  Confused yet? It gets better....  Swatts used to be manufactured "backwards" when compared to my set up.  I reversed nothing, meaning that the larger bar boss overhangs the top of the forks. stopintime's Swatts were made the other way around with the larger part facing outboard - foreward of the bars - necessitating in flipping em around so as to be able to fit (with the aid of reservoir spacers) coffin-style reservoirs.  So you see backwards as described by stopintime is the new right-way-around!  

I aint done yet...lol...
True. But see above regarding what constitutes "backwards".  If I had mounted my Swatts in a reversed fashion, then the bulkier side of the bar mounting boss would be outboard - ahead of the forks - and would therefore allow the bars to clear the forks if I wanted to lower em further.  And since with remote reservoirs there are no clearance issues..... it makes me wonder why I didnt infact do this.  What actually needs to happen is that I swap my new Swatts with stopintime's older Swatts and we'll both have countersunk riser bolts yet I will have more options for lowering.... ;D

Clear as mud, I know.  Sorry.  Short answer: If I turned my bars around then yes, I'd be able to lower em more.

So, your risers are countersunk to mount like they are now? I know Bill Swatt said he was going to, but I imagined he would make them countersunk on both sides (to allow flip/swap).

Clear as mud for everyone else, I suppose, but at least you and I get it [roll] For once, I feel like a specialist ;D

Yes.

Not so.  Mine are countersunk on one side only. The oposite side to yours.

Yup, we're the Swatt Geeks  ;D [laugh]

Just an update on the tank clearance.....  Once I refitted my tank skins I found that the 2.5" Swatts did just contact the sides of the tank, I could've resolved this by backing out the steering stops a little but instead fitted 3.5" Swatt risers which (although even uglier than the already soviet-chic 2.5" risers) .. raised the bars to a point where the switchgear just fitted into the lowest part of the tank recess vents thus requiring no loss of steering lock-to-lock whatsoever.

ungeheuer:


Looking at the Swatt web site it shows all the clamps on their clip nos facing the opposite way to yours.  Will it work to mount them like this?  It would mean that the clamps no longer sat over the top of the forks and allow to lower them more?



Adamhttp://www.swattmotorcycle.com/Clip-Ons.html

I understand that Swatts used to be manufactured as they're pictured on their website, but they have since modified the design and reversed how the riser bolts to the clamps to resolve clearance issues when mounting with "coffin" type reservoirs.  stopintime has successfully flipped the risers around and bolted em on the opposite way, so seek out his thread on the subject and you'll see that what you want to do ought be possible too.

Or I might as well answer here :)

My first production run riser parts were countersunk to mount like in the Swatt photos. I have the coffin master cylinders, so I had to flip the riser part. Because of the flip I had holes which weren't countersunk and I had to get longer bolts (30 instead of 25mm, I think).
Also, there's some play between the riser and it's bolts - I had to tighten the bolts quite hard for the bars not to move.
The play might cause the bars to move a little upon hard braking and after a while the bolts might become loose - it hasn't happened to me, but it's something to be aware of.

So, now the swatt 3.5" clip on is a direct bolt on for the 696 with "coffin" type reservoirs?? no spacer nothing is needed? am i correct?

Nah, I reckon that you'll still need a set of spacers to clear those coffins....  (I happen to have a set of cyclecat coffin spacers available, if anybody's in need)

This thread is so awesome for anyone aspiring to be a Swatt guy - thanks to everyone who's participated to this point.

Rather than be all take and no give, I'll chime in with my own Swatt tidbit.  I ordered a set of 3.5's, and set out this weekend to install them.  Imagine my surprise when I discovered that I had two left clip-ons!  That's not a euphemism for being a lousy mechanic, though I admit that I am.

Anyways, I put in the frustrated call to Swatt HQ and left a msg.  Then I went back and re-read this thread, and this whole "mounting backwards" made me take a closer look at my clip-on.  It was at that point, two scotches in, that I realized that the 50mm clamp could just be removed from the riser, flipped over et voila - it's a right side clip-on.

Thought I'd throw that in just in case someone else finds themselves in this situation...

 [clap]

Great thread Ive been wanting to do this mod but was afraid of everything that was involved with making the switch and didnt really want to alter the bike's stop lock....

So I guess Swatts 3.5'' clipons it is! Any recomendations for a top triple that will fit with those without any problems?

Thanks again.

This will work on your 696 with Swatts >> http://www.speedymoto.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=03-0205CLR&Category_Code=MTC (http://www.speedymoto.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=03-0205CLR&Category_Code=MTC)

Thanks a lot man Ill look into it.

OK - cable routing question for those with the Swatt's.  Did you route all of your cables in front of the clip-on, or did you route any of them between the clip-on and the fork tubes?

There seems to be a few issues with routing them in front - they interfere with the headlight, look a little dodgy, and I suspect there will be some friction on the cables while riding.  I did get the bike all together like this, but I'm not convinced.

Here's mine....  all run forward of the clipons, dont seem to interfere with the headlight....
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....and I dont think they look sooo dodgy!?!  But if theres a better way I'm always up for improvement  :)

You're right - no dodginess in sight on yours!  Mine look funny as they are jammed up on a weird angle.

It looks like by lowering your headlight you've been able to avoid both problems.  It also looks like you're bars are a little higher than mine, which also helps with that angle.

I've got the fork clamp sections pushed right up as high as I can, but there's a small routing bracket on both sides for the brake/clutch lines which keeps me a centimeter lower or so.  I'm guessing you don't have those brackets on your new triple?

And the top pic is when I had 2.5" Swatts fitted, its even less of an issue now that I'm running the 3.5"ers.  

So you're running the stock triple then, yeah?  The stock top triple sits down the fork legs by....I'm guessing.....  15mm lower than the Speedymoto item that I'm running, so even if you have your bar-clamps up as high as they can go right up under the triple, they're still lower than mine. And you're right, helping me is the fact that my headlight is around 5mm lower than stock, so even if you disregard that "small routing bracket" (do you mean the wire one? why not remove it and arrange your own routing?) you've got effectively 20mm less room twixt bar height and headlight.

I know the fix for that  ;D [evil]

Also, dont forget that my headlight sits 5mm further out from the forks than stock (see page 3 this thread) which helps me gain more breathing space to tuck stuff away perhaps....

Ah yes, the other recurring theme for me this winter - if I buy a few more parts, everything will go together so much better!

I don't think I can avoid moving something, as the tension on my headlight is way too high.  I'm going to be hammering down some highway 200 kms from home when the whole front of my bike is going to explode in my face.

So, a new triple moves the swatts up, and then some fabbed brackets ala ungeheuer moves the headlight down and forward.  Sounds like a plan...

Maybe you can share with us your technique on keeping your woman from seeing your credit card bills?

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about  :-X

Get mines today from Germany (http://www.performanceparts.de/ (http://www.performanceparts.de/))
A little issue with a mark in the top of the right clamp.
Already sent an e-mail to Wolfgang about this.

I will let you know about it  [thumbsup]

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They look like a beautiful piece of work pjfa (I'm sure the marked part will be rectified).  Cant wait to see em fitted  [popcorn].

They are  ;D

Wolfgang already inform me that the new clamp is already on its way to my place.
Great Customer Service  [thumbsup]

I´m resizing some pics with the clipons in the fork and will post them asap in the Swatt thread  [moto]