"John Lovell is alive today..."
QuoteThe 71-year-old retired Marine who opened fire on two robbers at a Plantation, FL, Subway shop late Wednesday, killing one and critically wounding the other, is described as John Lovell, a former helicopter pilot for two presidents. He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, he works out everyday. Mr. Lovell was a man of action Wednesday night.
According to Plantation police, two masked gunmen came into the Subway at 1949 N. Pine Rd. Just after 11 p.m. There was a lone diner, Mr. Lovell, who was finishing his meal. After robbing the cashier, the two men attempted to shove Mr. Lovell into a bathroom and rob him as well. They got his money, but then Mr. Lovell pulled his handgun and opened fire. He shot one of the thieves in the head and chest and the other in the head.
When police arrived, they found one of the men in the shop. K-9 units found the other in the bushes of a nearby business. They also found cash strewn around the front of the sandwich shop according to Detective Robert Rettig of the Plantation Police Department.
Both men were taken to the Broward General Medical Center , where one, Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale died. The other, 21-year-old Frederick Gadson of Fort Lauderdale is in critical but stable condition.
A longtime friend of Lovell was not surprised to hear what happened. The friend said, ''He'd give you the shirt off his back, but he'd be mad as hell if someone tried to take the shirt off your back.''
*Mr. Lovell was a pilot in the Marine Corps, flying former Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. He later worked as a pilot for Pan Am and Delta.
He is not expected to be charged, authorities said. ''He was in fear for his life,'' Detective Rettig said, 'These criminals ought to realize that most men in their 60's- 70's have some type of military backgrounds and most have served in a combat zone somewhere and aren't intimidated by idiots.' Something tells me this old Marine wasn't 'in fear for his life,' even though his life was definitely at risk. The only thing he could be charged with is participating in an unfair fight. One 71 - year young Marine against two punks. Two head shots and one center body mass shot - outstanding shooting! That'll teach them not to get between a Marine and his meal.
Don't you just love a story with a happy ending. Thanks to our elder military personnel who know how and when to use a gun.
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QuotePLANTATION, Fla. -- The family of one of the men who was shot by a retired United States Marine while they attempted to rob a Subway sandwich shop said the customer shouldn't have pulled the trigger.
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Donicio Arrindell -- "I is dead.."
According to Plantation police, two armed men barged into the Subway at 1949 Pine Island Road shortly after 11 p.m. Wednesday, demanding money from the employee behind the counter. When they tried to force John Lovell into the bathroom, he pulled out a gun and shot both men, police said.
Donicio Arrindell, 22, was shot in the head and later died at the hospital. Fredrick Gadson, 21, was shot in the chest and ran from the Subway, but police found him in hiding in some bushes on the property of a nearby BankAtlantic.
Lovell, 71, was the lone customer at the time. Police said he had a concealed weapons permit.
Gadson's grandparents told Local 10 on Thursday that Lovell was wrong for pulling the trigger.
"He should not have taken the law in his hands," said Rosa Jones, Gadson's grandmother.
Her husband, Ivory Jones, also condemned the media for its portrayal of Lovell's actions.
"I don't condone what they did, (but) I definitely don't condone the news people making him out to seem like they're making a hero out of this man because he shot somebody down," he said.
But Lovell's neighbor said he made the right decision.
"He did the right thing," said Wendi Hill. "I mean, I was glad that it was them that got shot and not him."
Police said Lovell, a retired Marine, wouldn't be charged.
SHOULDN'T be charged!!
Once a Marine, always a Marine. Good on you, Mr. Lovell.
BETTER NOT BE CHARGED.
Those people are just mad that their family members got caught doing something stupid and illegal. Unfortunately, one of them will not be able to stand trial. But the family members are flat out wrong for saying he shouldn't have pulled the trigger. I'd like to hear their opinion if the tables were turned...
Well done Mr. Lovell, you are a good man!
We need more people in this country like Mr. Lovell.
Turns out robbery is a dangerous profession. Sometimes you do the shooting, and sometimes old geezers take the wind right out of your sails.
Look before you leap...
Hopefully this being all over the news will make a few dumbasses think next time before they go robbing places.
Bravo.
mitt
It's just too bad he didn't kill both of them. What a waste of money this kinda scum standing trial. You rob a store, threaten the lives of others. Justice served promptly is the most efficient kind.
But we live in a country where people are offended by punishment of criminals. I think we'd do well to look to older more adept countries, like Amsterdam. Caining is inexpensive and effective.
Mr. Lovell, I salute you! [drink]
If you ever make it to Moorpark CA, look me up and you'll never pay for a ...um... whatever you drink while here!
I know the families are mad because they kids be dead (well, one is and the other nearly so), but damn. I don't think they're putting the shoe on the other foot here. Imagine if one of the dead dude's grandparents were in a Subway...eatin' a mediocre sammich...and two fools bust in and hold the place up @ gun point... Me thinks they'd be singin' a different tune.
Kudos Mr. Lovell. [thumbsup]
That guy is a honorable citizen and should be rewarded for his actions on stopping crime.
Just like that old guy in Texas who took down the two robbers last year.
[thumbsup]
stfu criminals' families. your kids took an uncalculated risk, and lost. fair is fair.
Quote from: Smokescreen on April 07, 2009, 08:13:20 AM
But we live in a country where people are offended by punishment of criminals. I think we'd do well to look to older more adept countries, like Amsterdam. Caining is inexpensive and effective.
Amsterdam is a country now? Wonders never cease..
Quote from: ducatizzzz on April 07, 2009, 08:44:32 AM
Amsterdam is a country now? Wonders never cease..
[laugh] [laugh]
Good for Mr. Lovell for having a spine and the scumbags parents need to STFU, because they're responsible for the little POS gangbanger.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on April 07, 2009, 08:44:32 AM
Amsterdam is a country now? Wonders never cease..
Yep, they just said, "YES, WE CAN!" and, BAM, they became a country. [laugh]
Quote from: ducatizzzz on April 07, 2009, 08:44:32 AM
Amsterdam is a country now? Wonders never cease..
Hopefully he meant Singapore. I don't think anyone is punished for anything in Amsterdam [evil]
mitt
Quote from: mitt on April 07, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
Hopefully he meant Singapore. I don't think anyone is punished for anything in Amsterdam [evil]
mitt
Well no, it takes at least a few weeks for symtopns to show so....
I was talking about criminal punishment this weekend with my friend's mom.
we both agreed that if you bring back public hangings for serious crimes, you might make some changes.
How about chopping off a finger for stealing?
eye for eye
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 07, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
I was talking about criminal punishment this weekend with my friend's mom.
we both agreed that if you bring back public hangings for serious crimes, you might make some changes.
How about chopping off a finger for stealing?
eye for eye
people are too squeamish about punishment these days.
i see no reason to not do what you listed.. if you're convicted of rape with irrefutable evidence (i.e. DNA and a video, for instance) then you get your balls crushed in a vise.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 07, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
I was talking about criminal punishment this weekend with my friend's mom.
You were talking about being "punished" with your buddy's mom? That's kinda kinky, bro; even for you. :o
Quote from: Sinister on April 07, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
You were talking about being "punished" with your buddy's mom? That's kinda kinky, bro; even for you. :o
Your reading comprehension is lacking yet again.
come on bro.
I only have two words for Mr. Lovell:
Semper Fi [thumbsup]
Quote from: Smokescreen on April 07, 2009, 08:13:20 AM
But we live in a country where people are offended by punishment of criminals. I think we'd do well to look to older more adept countries, like Amsterdam. Caining is inexpensive and effective.
who do they cane in Holland?
I've lived there for a while they are a lot more liberal then the US, you would be hard pressed to have picked a more liberal country.
Maybe your thinking of Singapore, Iran, Chad, Sudan, or any country ending in istan
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 07, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
I was talking about criminal punishment this weekend with my friend's mom.
we both agreed that if you bring back public hangings for serious crimes, you might make some changes.
How about chopping off a finger for stealing?
eye for eye
Saudi Arabia would welcome you with open arms.
Luckily the US have moved past public beheadings its barbaric and absurd to think making a public spectacle of an execution will prevent crime...
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
- MLK
Quote from: ducatizzzz on April 07, 2009, 11:48:52 AM
people are too squeamish about punishment these days.
i see no reason to not do what you listed.. if you're convicted of rape with irrefutable evidence (i.e. DNA and a video, for instance) then you get your balls crushed in a vise.
The Nazi's did that too...
Quote from: 13 on April 07, 2009, 01:33:14 PM
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
-DL
The Nazi's did that too...
Actually, I think that Ghandi said the first one.
And, on the second one, I'd really like to see your source.
I'm usually anti-gun-toting-vigilantism but even I thought he was going to shoot them a paragraph before he actually did.
Quote from: Sinister on April 07, 2009, 02:11:40 PM
Actually, I think that Ghandi said the first one.
And, on the second one, I'd really like to see your source.
Actually I did misquote it was MLK
Ghandi said something similar but I think he's a douche bag.
as far as my source visit Auschwitz they will show you the castration area... Or read up on Viktor Brack he used xray, chemical and just plain removal of the swingers there.
Quote from: 13 on April 07, 2009, 03:16:31 PM
Actually I did misquote it was MLK
Ghandi said something similar but I think he's a douche bag.
as far as my source visit Auschwitz they will show you the castration area... Or read up on Viktor Brack he used xray, chemical and just plain removal of the swingers there.
Thanks.
Quote from: 13 on April 07, 2009, 03:16:31 PM
as far as my source visit Auschwitz they will show you the castration area... Or read up on Viktor Brack he used xray, chemical and just plain removal of the swingers there.
totally different, I was referring to after trial and conviction in a US court, not summary execution. also, i included "irrefutable" evidence of rape, which is nearly an impossible standard most of the time.
"those" people also walked, and talked and stood while they pissed, that doesn't automatically make it wrong.
Outstanding work, Mr. Lovell.
I hate that actions like this are necessary, but deeply respect those who have the courage to take them.
"Armed Citizen" is the first thing I read every month when my copy of American Rifleman arrives.
Quote from: swampduc on April 07, 2009, 05:40:01 PM
"Armed Citizen" is the first thing I read every month when my copy of American Rifleman arrives.
Me, too. [thumbsup]
Here we make the beast with two backsing go.... [roll]
Quote from: ducpainter on April 07, 2009, 06:18:50 PM
Here we make the beast with two backsing go.... [roll]
I am taking the advice of this thread title: I'm not messing with
ducpainter grandpa.
;D
Quote from: Sinister on April 07, 2009, 06:43:03 PM
I am taking the advice of this thread title: I'm not messing with ducpainter grandpa.
;D
I'm a
lot of things. ;)
Most importantly, in this circumstance...
completely predictable. :-*
Quote from: Sinister on April 07, 2009, 06:43:03 PM
I am taking the advice of this thread title: I'm not messing with ducpainter grandpa.
;D
ducpainter IS grandpa. :P ;D "see me duck from the flying paint nozzles"
Quote from: Sinister on April 07, 2009, 06:43:03 PM
I am taking the advice of this thread title: I'm not messing with ducpainter grandpa.
;D
[laugh] [laugh]
Good one, gregor.
I tell you what, Gramps (aka Ducpainter) can throw down the Vodka's [thumbsup]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 08, 2009, 07:42:05 AM
I tell you what, Gramps (aka Ducpainter) can throw down the Vodka's [thumbsup]
I hear he has to start riding with a sidecar, to carry his spare liver. Lush.
Quote from: Sinister on April 08, 2009, 07:49:41 AM
I hear he has to start riding with a sidecar, to carry his spare liver. Lush.
where can i get one of those???
Quote from: ducatizzzz on April 08, 2009, 08:21:43 AM
where can i get one of those???
Spare liver or sidecar? I thought you were buying the pickup to carry your spare liver.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on April 08, 2009, 08:21:43 AM
where can i get one of those???
A spare liver? Generally at the hospital/blood bank. Though the Miami or Los Angeles black market might be a good place to start looking.
Quote from: ducatizzzz on April 08, 2009, 08:21:43 AM
where can i get one of those???
A spare liver or a sidecar?
One is easier than the other from what I understand. ;)
Quote from: Sinister on April 08, 2009, 07:49:41 AM
I hear he has to start riding with a sidecar, to carry his spare liver. Lush.
Gee Greg...
I don't characterize you in public.
I think I'm all offended now.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on April 08, 2009, 07:42:05 AM
[laugh] [laugh]
Good one, gregor.
I tell you what, Gramps (aka Ducpainter) can throw down the Vodka's [thumbsup]
Mostly when you're buying.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 08, 2009, 08:38:33 AM
Mostly when you're buying.
That's just being smart, I say. [thumbsup]
i'd like to shake grandpa's hand. he deserves an atta-boy, not charges brought against him.
I can appreciate how Mr. Lovell didn't act until he was threatened personally. If I was in the same situation I would have probably reacted differently and maybe a bit prematurely. Good on you Mr. Lovell.