Since this is the Monster forum, I thought it would be fitting to report that one Monster is suing another Monster. Could Ducati Monster be the next in line?
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/09/monster-cable-learns-nothing-sues-monster-transmission/ (http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/09/monster-cable-learns-nothing-sues-monster-transmission/)
This sort of thing is why we tolerate the lawyers here.
Well, there's a monster of a lawsuit.
Doh!! [cheeky]
Quote from: MrIncredible on April 12, 2009, 11:37:31 AM
This sort of thing is why we tolerate the lawyers here.
<pulls head off desk and wipes drool from side of mouth...rubs big red spot on forehead>
what? huh? who?!!!!
oh..
never mind..
<falls back asleep and drools on desk>
I refuse to buy their products because they are crap, sold with false promises. The "cable" technologies they purport do not exist or have negligible benefits. Maybe I'll be the cranky lawyer that has a few brews, and decides to sue them out of spite. CNET and the rest recommend hundreds of other brands over Monster Cable, and most cost pennies in comparison. Too bad BestBuy won't get with the program and discontinue stocking them.
a friend had one of their guitar cables. You could cut them in half and exchange them for a brand new one at any guitar center, no questions asked. I bought the cheap guitar center cables. I went through two of them in five years. Total cost - $30. He didn't need to replace his at all. Total cost - $70.
Who buys monster cable? it's crazy.
umm....
NMC?
I recently bought 3 HDMI cable for my home entertainment center. I needed 3 6' cables. Had I gone with Monster, I could have spent up to $270 (yes, $90+ for 1 6' cable). Instead, I spent less than $8 SHIPPED for all 3 cables from a no name manufacturer. Guess what? When it comes to HDMI cable, it either works or it doesn't...
Given all the "Monster sues Monster" posts that are showing up all over the Internet this weekend, here is more info in all fairness:
http://www.audioholics.com/news/press-releases/monster-cable-responds-a-message-from-noel-lee (http://www.audioholics.com/news/press-releases/monster-cable-responds-a-message-from-noel-lee)
I don't buy Monster Cable for a reason -- there is no reason to. Not with other options available that are better and/or cheaper. Just be a smart consumer!
Quote from: Goat_Herder on April 12, 2009, 11:31:35 AM
Could Ducati Monster be the next in line?
There was a post for Monster.com trying to sue Ducati over the Monster name a couple years back.
I 've used Monster Cables among others in my Hi-Fi system and found them to be fine. They are good for Interconnects.
I have a pair of CRL 12' cables that were over $1000. They make my B & W 801s sound really fine.
Some Hi-Fi Speaker Cables are like $1,000 per foot ! Now that to me is expensive and very hard to justify.
My CRLs are like Re bar , they are so big and stiff. Probably about 8 gauge. Dolph :)
They're definitely not worth the price.
And they are a shitty company, due to all of the frivolous lawsuits they've filed over the years. (ever notice on the monster.com website, at the very bottom, there is a re-direct for monster cable? you think monster.com put that there for fun?).
I only have experience with Monster instrument/mic cables. They're overpriced pieces of :-X with bad tone.
Mogami Gold ftw!
The Monster energy drink should sue 'em. [cheeky]
Quote from: NAKID on April 12, 2009, 03:09:58 PM
I recently bought 3 HDMI cable for my home entertainment center. I needed 3 6' cables. Had I gone with Monster, I could have spent up to $270 (yes, $90+ for 1 6' cable). Instead, I spent less than $8 SHIPPED for all 3 cables from a no name manufacturer. Guess what? When it comes to HDMI cable, it either works or it doesn't...
this is where i buy my hdmi or anything cable related: www.bluejeanscable.com (//http://)
good stuff, no nonsense, strong terminations (this DOES matter and super cheapo cables can be poorly terminated which becomes a durability issue).
http://reviews.cnet.com/hdmi-guide/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/hdmi-guide/)
This article prompted me to check out monoprice.com --> I love it because you can get them in the colors you want. Makes wiring it up really easy: Blue cable goes to Blu-Ray. Red to Cable, Green to XBOX, etc etc etc. Makes life simple.
Monster cables sues everybody with monster in their name....
I think they just finally settled a suit against a mini-golf course for having monster in their name.....they are nuts
Quote from: ato memphis on April 13, 2009, 09:58:24 AM
http://reviews.cnet.com/hdmi-guide/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/hdmi-guide/)
This article prompted me to check out monoprice.com --> I love it because you can get them in the colors you want. Makes wiring it up really easy: Blue cable goes to Blu-Ray. Red to Cable, Green to XBOX, etc etc etc. Makes life simple.
yeah monoprice is another good one
have they sued the red sox yet?
Quote from: herm on April 14, 2009, 06:08:40 AM
have they sued the red sox yet?
The Monster Seats are listed as an "adversary" in this wikipedia.org article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Cable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Cable)
unbelievable....
i think they should be aware of how long the "big green MONSTER" has been sitting in left field...(1912)
what is really fun is reading the letter from Blue Jean Cable (the owner is a former patent attorney) back to Monster Cable about a potential patent infringement.
Monster Cable's adversaries include:
Snow Monsters (a kid's skiing group)
MonsterVintage, small used clothing store
Monsters, Inc., an animated feature film[14]
Monster Garage, a television series[15]
Monsters of the Midway, a nickname of the Chicago Bears football team
Fenway Park's Monster seats
Monster.com employment website
Monster Mini Golf[16][17]
Monster Balls Paintballs manufactured by JT Sports
Monster Transmission
Uh...OK [laugh] [laugh] Douchebags.
they forgot monster trucks, ducati monster, and many more
laim-O
wonder why they haven't gone after monster-esque words: Monstrosity. Monstrous. Monsters Ball.
I thought if your company name was such a common word, the case is very difficult to protect it. I suppose I'll learn more about the legal acrobatics needed to be done regarding that next year.
I really could not fathom a more wrong way to do business - hyper-aggressive legal maneuvering to protect the dubious claim on the "good name" of a company that owes its success to hyper-aggressive (not to mention technologically questionable) marketing for an overpriced product of marginal quality. It pretty much covers all how-to-be-an-asshole-in-business bases.
It is also hard for me to comprehend how they got monster.com to *settle* a lawsuit for the use of the name - I'm guessing by threatening a protracted legal battle. And now they are issuing licensing fees for use of the word "monster", like some kind of trademark squatter's rights. Assholes.
If I had deep pockets, I would start a company called Monsterously Shitty Cables and Pointless Lawsuits LLC and wait to be served. make the beast with two backs them very much.
Selected reading on said jackasses
A recent WSJ article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123869022704882969.html#articleTabs=article) - some discussion on how they are treating Monster like a well-known mark, like Visa, or Coca-Cola
Coat hangers (http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables) sound as good as Monster cables
Rigged displays found at Frys, found not once (http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/04/21/in-store-demo-compares-monster-hdmi-interconnect-to-composite-ca/), not twice (http://[url=http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/23/monster-hdmi-difference-scam-still-kickin-in-frys-electronic/) but three times (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/17/hdmi-cable-scam-used-to-fool-in-store-customers/)
The whole Blue Jeans V Monster sage mentioned above
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm (http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm)
Quote from: il d00d on April 14, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
The whole Blue Jeans V Monster sage mentioned above
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm (http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm)
That's a pretty good read! [laugh]
Here's the cables I bought...
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Cable-6ft-1080P-HDTV/dp/B000E8OVMQ/ref=pd_ys_shvl_title (http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Cable-6ft-1080P-HDTV/dp/B000E8OVMQ/ref=pd_ys_shvl_title)
Quote from: NAKID on April 15, 2009, 06:49:57 PM
Here's the cables I bought...
http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Cable-6ft-1080P-HDTV/dp/B000E8OVMQ/ref=pd_ys_shvl_title (http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Cable-6ft-1080P-HDTV/dp/B000E8OVMQ/ref=pd_ys_shvl_title)
Shoulda spent the extra 2¢ and bought the cables preferred by 42% of Amazon shoppers... [laugh]
Hahahaha!
Quote from: il d00d on April 14, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
Coat hangers (http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables) sound as good as Monster cables
An electrical engineer buddy and I did some testing years ago using frequency analyzers and such and determined that Monster Cable speaker wires were no better than 12/14ga lamp cord you can buy in bulk at hardware stores. And the lamp cord blends in better on carpet.
QuoteAn electrical engineer buddy and I did some testing years ago using frequency analyzers and such and determined that Monster Cable speaker wires were no better than 12/14ga lamp cord you can buy in bulk at hardware stores. And the lamp cord blends in better on carpet.
I was going to post almost the same thing. A friend is an audio engineer, a degree EE and designs hugely expensive high-end speakers for a living. He gave me a set of prototypes once and when I asked him about cable he said to go to home depot and get a reel of direct burial outdoor lamp cable.
You guys mean oxygen-free, adamantium-coated, kosher, 14ga lamp cable that had been blessed by virgins? I assume you mean that... ;D
I've been down on Monster since they put their name on Candlestick Park a few years ago. http://www.monsterpark.com/ (http://www.monsterpark.com/)
Also down on 3 Com for doing the same thing, Nor is AT&T one of my favorites. I forget what they are trying to call the Oakland coliseum these days but when there rattle off some new name I don't know where or what they are talking about at first.
Pisses me off.
Quote from: il d00d on April 14, 2009, 02:19:27 PM]
The whole Blue Jeans V Monster sage mentioned above
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm (http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/index.htm)
VERy good read... i loved the part thrown in about how monster use pays licensing fees to Monster Bermuda to avoid US federal taxes.. lol
[thumbsup] to the little guy standin up for himself
Quote from: Langanobob on April 17, 2009, 06:53:24 AM
I was going to post almost the same thing. A friend is an audio engineer, a degree EE and designs hugely expensive high-end speakers for a living. He gave me a set of prototypes once and when I asked him about cable he said to go to home depot and get a reel of direct burial outdoor lamp cable.
The lamp cord in question is still in use between my 1962 Fisher 500C tube amp and my JBL speakers, nearly 15 years later. And the system still astonishes fellow audiophiles.
Don't buy (literally or figuratively) fancy, schmancy speaker wire. It ain't worth it, pure unadulterated hype. ;)
Quote from: Speedbag on April 17, 2009, 06:46:11 PM
Don't buy (literally or figuratively) fancy, schmancy speaker wire. It ain't worth it, pure unadulterated hype. ;)
Are you trying to tell me that Monster hasn't changed the properties of copper?
Quote from: ducpainter on April 17, 2009, 06:48:03 PM
Are you trying to tell me that Monster hasn't changed the properties of copper?
Uhh, nope. ;D
wanna see ridiculous
http://www.shunyata.com/ (http://www.shunyata.com/)
*** Disclaimer: before you read this, please be advised that patch cords are not made out of tufts of unicorn mane. Patch cords do not connect one hot woman to another hot woman and make them want to have a threesome with you. Patch cords do not dispense winning lottery numbers. It is important to understand that patch cords -which are *not* magic in any way- connect one stereo component to another stereo component ***
"I have in hand Frey interconnects ("patch cords" before we got all fancy, $979 USD per meter pair) and Frey speaker cables ($2719 per eight-foot shotgun pair) from Nordost, a company whose products may actually be a standard against which other high-end cables are assessed -- deservedly or not."
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/nordost_frey.htm (http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/nordost_frey.htm)
Quote from: il d00d on April 20, 2009, 03:42:23 PM
"I have in hand Frey interconnects ("patch cords" before we got all fancy, $979 USD per meter pair) and Frey speaker cables ($2719 per eight-foot shotgun pair) from Nordost, a company whose products may actually be a standard against which other high-end cables are assessed -- deservedly or not."
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/nordost_frey.htm (http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/nordost_frey.htm)
Uhhhhh, why?
Quote from: NAKID on April 20, 2009, 03:49:01 PM
Uhhhhh, why?
Look up audiophile in the dictionary.
Does it say something about being a person who spends an unnecessary amount of money on something no normal human being will be able to tell the difference in? ;D
I think someone willing to shell out that much cash for cabling probably has more money tied up in components and speakers than you do in both of your new vehicles.
They probably have a dedicated listening room.
And yes, they will most likely be able to tell a significant difference between your new cables (which are now down to $0.31, BTW) and theirs.
i believe in audiophile grade components.
but i think most of the differences "audiophiles" identify in cables are psychoacoustic in nature (the ka-ching factor).
that said, i wanted these speakers like a hooker wants a rich john with ED:
http://www.ygacoustics.com/main.html (http://www.ygacoustics.com/main.html)
Psychosomatic..
The Prodigy - Breathe (Official Music Video) HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnvwNokNRFg#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Main Entry: psy·cho·acous·tics
Pronunciation: \ËŒsÄ«-kÅ-É™-ˈküs-tiks\
Function: noun plural but singular in construction
Date: 1948
: a branch of science dealing with the perception of sound, the sensations produced by sounds, and the problems of communication
Main Entry: psy·cho·so·mat·ic
Pronunciation: \-sə-ˈma-tik\
Function: adjective
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
Date: 1863
1 : of, relating to, concerned with, or involving both mind and body <the psychosomatic nature of man â€" Herbert Ratner>
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