Trying to break my chain to powder my swingarm and reuse it... not sure what type of chain I have, how i should remove it, and how easy it is to get parts to reconnect it. To my untrained eye, it looks like a rivet style chain, and i can just grind of the rivets seen in the pic and punch them out to free the chain. Can i just get new rivets and install them and be done?
http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdc10511c.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdc10511c.jpg)
Quote from: He Man on April 14, 2009, 04:45:32 PM
Trying to break my chain to powder my swingarm and reuse it... not sure what type of chain I have, how i should remove it, and how easy it is to get parts to reconnect it. To my untrained eye, it looks like a rivet style chain, and i can just grind of the rivets seen in the pic and punch them out to free the chain. Can i just get new rivets and install them and be done?
(http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdc10511c.jpg)
If you look closely you'll see which link is the master. Grind the heads off those two pins and just drive that link out with a punch. A little at a time on each pin.
You can buy a new rivet type master.
Make sure and get the same brand and model of master link.
There's small differences on the size of the pins, they're not necessarily a 'one fits all'.
Quote from: Speeddog on April 14, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Make sure and get the same brand and model of master link.
There's small differences on the size of the pins, they're not necessarily a 'one fits all'.
That looks like the OEM DID 525 x-ring chain (I can see "DID" stamped on one of the links). Your owner's manual should list the exact chain model/specs. I get chains from Chris at Ca-Cycleworks.
IMO, it's worth the money to get a chain breaking tool. They can be used to drive out the pins of an old masterlink (or regular links if shortening a new chain), and setting a new rivet masterlink. I have the Motiopro one, and it was about $100.
I don't disagree with the professor...
a chain tool is worth it if you can afford one.
I have chain tools... a grinder...a pair of vise grips with a groove cut in them to press the side plate on... a set of calipers to measure the width...
and a hammer and dolly to peen the pins on the master link...
I'm cheap. :P
I'm with Painter. I do it the cheap way, too. Normally, I just buy a clip type link, when I order a new chain, I always order a spare clip type master link of the same type of chain, so I always have a spare. You'd think that after a load of motorcycles over the years, I'd have about 30 spare master links, but it seems someone always needs one, at least with the dirt bike crowd.
And a long time ago, in a pinch when I lost the clip, I zapped the tops of the pins with a mig welder. I know, I know, that's pretty hack, but it worked.
yeaaaa, im too broke. :'(
How about the HF/ebay tools?
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1)http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66488 chain breaker only?
2)http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motorcycle-Drive-Chain-Riveter-Cutter-tool-T35_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem330291225497QQitemZ330291225497QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools
3)http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chain-Press-Tool-Kit-Motorcycle-EXC-SX-F-CR-520-450-250_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem220393436043QQitemZ220393436043QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools
This one is $20 bucks... I bought it and it worked flawlessly on a friends bike. It is a total ripoff of the DID chain tool but is built very solidly. I got some other tools from this place also and all were delivered fast and seem to be of relatively good qaulity. The chain tool is nice though.
http://www.mikesxs.net/products-49.html#products (http://www.mikesxs.net/products-49.html#products)
There is also a thread with a bunch of people who bought this and have been pleased
QuoteThere is also a thread with a bunch of people who bought this and have been pleased
And as I recall there were also a bunch of people with some dissenting opinions :)
But, to each his own...
DP how do you use a hammer to peen the rivets with the chain on the bike?
The vise grips with a groove is a great idea! I guess I bought the Motionpro tool 'cause I never thought of modding a $10 set of vise grips. :-\
Quote from: pompetta on April 15, 2009, 04:03:50 AM
DP how do you use a hammer to peen the rivets with the chain on the bike?
The vise grips with a groove is a great idea! I guess I bought the Motionpro tool 'cause I never thought of modding a $10 set of vise grips. :-\
That's what the dolly is for.
I just put the link in the run where I can get an auto body dolly behind it to support the other end of the pins and start peening. You don't hit very hard and aim the blows to the edges of the rivets.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 15, 2009, 04:28:38 AM
That's what the dolly is for.
I just put the link in the run where I can get an auto body dolly behind it to support the other end of the pins and start peening. You don't hit very hard and aim the blows to the edges of the rivets.
Did the auto body dolly cost more than $100? [cheeky]
Quote from: pompetta on April 15, 2009, 04:31:06 AM
Did the auto body dolly cost more than $100? [cheeky]
;D
It was left over from when I did cars.
I think it was $10...it's just a shaped block of steel.
Quote from: ducpainter on April 15, 2009, 04:36:05 AM
;D
It was left over from when I did cars.
I think it was $10...it's just a shaped block of steel.
Dammit!! [laugh] [beer]
Quote from: Langanobob on April 14, 2009, 08:29:00 PM
And as I recall there were also a bunch of people with some dissenting opinions :)
But, to each his own...
Here is the thread. The only dissenting opinions were from those who had no experience with the tool. They thought it was ripping off Motion Pro and/or DID - which it clearly does - I have no problem with that.
There was also someone who broke the pin - RK, Motion Pro and DID all sell replacement pins and theirs are more than $6.
So lets say you buy the tool and a replcement pin:
Tool: $20
Pin: $6
and then you break the pin
12 times and have to buy a new one: $72
After 14 pins it's still cheaper than the motion pro one. ;)
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18172.15 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18172.15)
hey i aint complaining, after i took it off, it looks like ducpainters way is just the "manual" way of doing it. might go for the tool if i cant do it the old fashioned way!
now off to start another thread on how to get to the damn rear axle piece off. [bang]
ordering some grinding discs from HF, im gonna pkc up this little girl
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66488 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66488)
looks like i can clamp one side down with a vice and just do one at a time.
Quote from: gage on April 15, 2009, 09:18:26 AM
Here is the thread. The only dissenting opinions were from those who had no experience with the tool. They thought it was ripping off Motion Pro and/or DID - which it clearly does - I have no problem with that.
There was also someone who broke the pin - RK, Motion Pro and DID all sell replacement pins and theirs are more than $6.
So lets say you buy the tool and a replcement pin:
Tool: $20
Pin: $6
and then you break the pin 12 times and have to buy a new one: $72
After 14 pins it's still cheaper than the motion pro one. ;)
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18172.15 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18172.15)
What are the 36 lost riding days you waited for shipping those 12 pins worth? ;D
Quote from: Dan on April 15, 2009, 05:20:09 PM
What are the 36 lost riding days you waited for shipping those 12 pins worth? ;D
[laugh]
If you (collective you) go through more than one extra pin doing a single chain install then you are doing something VERY wrong
Agreed, if you break more than one per chain maybe you need to consider that your ability to do the job is eclipsed by your complete ineptness. However, if over the life of the tool, you've lost that much time... [laugh]
I like DP's method, there was also a guy on TOB who used a C-clamp and a BB.
Unfortunately I'm a tool slut. If I need it more than once, I can't help but buy it and I just don't trust 'bargain' tools.
Quote from: Dan on April 16, 2009, 03:01:48 AM
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Unfortunately I'm a tool slut. If I need it more than once, I can't help but buy it and I just don't trust 'bargain' tools.
That would make you a tool
connoisseur. ;)
Quote from: Speeddog on April 16, 2009, 09:53:38 AM
That would make you a tool connoisseur. ;)
Nah...
he's a slut. :-*
Quote from: Dan on April 16, 2009, 03:21:11 PM
And he's a friend... [roll] ;D
What are friends for?
you're both tools and sluts ;D
Friends don't let friends ride Hondas.
Quote from: gage on April 16, 2009, 06:43:20 PM
you're both tools and sluts ;D
I have to be...
what I have to be. ;)
Quote from: corndog67 on April 16, 2009, 07:05:16 PM
Friends don't let friends ride Hondas.
You meet the nicest people on a Honda. :D
that $20 chain tool.
make the beast with two backsING AWESOME.
nuff said.
BUY IT. it will do EVERYTHING, line up the plate properly and flare the pin. no guessing, just align and go.
Glad it worked for you [thumbsup]