I would like to get rid of the coffins. Will the 748 masters work with the stock brakes/clutch of the S2R800 and plug into the brake/clutch electronics?
KNG
If they're regular Goldlines, AFAIK they'll fit the hoses.
Electrical connections, not sure.
They should plug straight on,except....(and this is the reason I haven't fitted the ones I've had in my garage for two years) the clutch interlock switch.
I looked around but couldnt find a switch that would be suitable for this, but then I just didn't pursue it any further. I might try again sometime, in the meantime if you make or find a ready solution then do let me know.
you should have no issues. I have 999 radials on mine. it was plug and play (edit: including the clutch switch).
the only issue I found was the clutch interlock switch. there is no easy way of bolting the one off the coffin onto the new MC.
an OE switch would plug n'play, but will cost you.
what I did for a quick-fix was pop open the switch case for the stock switch, cut out a little piece of plastic from a blister pack from something I had bought to fit inside the case, and snap the casing back together.
it essentially just keeps the switch closed, and it was free :D
Quote from: teddy037.2 on April 28, 2009, 09:28:21 AM
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what I did for a quick-fix was pop open the switch case for the stock switch, cut out a little piece of plastic from a blister pack from something I had bought to fit inside the case, and snap the casing back together.
it essentially just keeps the switch closed, and it was free :D
Or you could just jump the connectors. Still free, same results, and less work.
if there are this many issues with the 998/748 masters then get the 999 radials. I know for a fact they work, including the clutch switch.
Is there any performance benefit to switching 999 radial masters?
Especially regarding brakes?
Cowboy, i see you have some uber-upgraded brakes... Had you had the masters on before you upgraded everything else? Or was it all done at once?
I have been wondering if changing my brake master to something with a larger piston, or something that applies a little more pressure, will give a bit more responsiveness (not necessarily stopping power though) from my brakes...
Quote from: DarkStaR on April 28, 2009, 11:03:17 PM
Or you could just jump the connectors. Still free, same results, and less work.
yeah... but that plastic was already sitting on the floor of the garage at the time... it still wasn't more'n 5 minutes' work
Quote from: COWBOY on April 29, 2009, 09:04:21 AM
if there are this many issues with the 998/748 masters then get the 999 radials. I know for a fact they work, including the clutch switch.
the radials use the same switch as the monsters? sweet! why did I not know this earlier?
So that means I could install 748/998/749/999 full system to my M620D?...
I mean, brake master, calipers, rotors, clutch master.....
Quote from: M620D on April 29, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
So that means I could install 748/998/749/999 full system to my M620D?...
I mean, brake master, calipers, rotors, clutch master.....
if your '05 is an early build bike (like mine) you already have the gold, 4 pot calipers. buying the clutch/brake masters are all you need. I've got the 998 set for mine.
if your '05 is a later build, it will have the black 2 pot calipers w/spacers for the front brakes (and a plastic gas tank)
I also picked up an aftermarket clutch slave at the time, fig'd I'd take care of it all in one shot [thumbsup]
Quote from: M620D on April 29, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
So that means I could install 748/998/749/999 full system to my M620D?...
I mean, brake master, calipers, rotors, clutch master.....
748/998 yes you could install all those things
749/999 only the masters are plug and play. the rotors and calipers use different spacing.
Quote from: teddy037.2 on April 29, 2009, 05:24:20 PM
if your '05 is an early build bike (like mine) you already have the gold, 4 pot calipers. buying the clutch/brake masters are all you need. I've got the 998 set for mine.
if your '05 is a later build, it will have the black 2 pot calipers w/spacers for the front brakes (and a plastic gas tank)
I also picked up an aftermarket clutch slave at the time, fig'd I'd take care of it all in one shot [thumbsup]
No I've got the one with the really really small calipers...Look at the photographs of it...And the plastic 2.6Gl tank, not the larger capacity..ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
Does the clutch slave help that much?...I've got used to the Ducati OEM. ???
COWBOY >>>>
Thanks for the info.... [thumbsup] [beer]
Quote from: M620D on April 29, 2009, 08:02:23 PM
No I've got the one with the really really small calipers...Look at the photographs of it...And the plastic 2.6Gl tank, not the larger capacity..ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
Does the clutch slave help that much?...I've got used to the Ducati OEM. ???
COWBOY >>>>
Thanks for the info.... [thumbsup] [beer]
yeah, so it looks like you'll be looking for the bigger calipers to do the full mod action.
when I did my install, I kinda almost stripped the banjo on the slave side, so I fig'd "hey, I'll just swap the master, no biggie"... swapped it, bled it, and the pull was noticably heavier than the stock coffin.
got the banjo off, put on the... evo? slave... re-bled, and the pull was just as easy as stock. yes, changing out my clutch master was just to be matchy-matchy :D it seems to have slightly more of a friction zone, but my hand-feel is like butt dyno, so YMMV
Quote from: teddy037.2 on April 29, 2009, 09:20:09 PM
yeah, so it looks like you'll be looking for the bigger calipers to do the full mod action.
when I did my install, I kinda almost stripped the banjo on the slave side, so I fig'd "hey, I'll just swap the master, no biggie"... swapped it, bled it, and the pull was noticably heavier than the stock coffin.
got the banjo off, put on the... evo? slave... re-bled, and the pull was just as easy as stock. yes, changing out my clutch master was just to be matchy-matchy :D it seems to have slightly more of a friction zone, but my hand-feel is like butt dyno, so YMMV
What if I go to both pumps radial?
the only radial master bike I road was Mac900's 900... brembo radials and evo slave, and it was a dry clutch bike... apples and oranges, but it was nice
for your bike, I'm sure the radial for the brakes will be a huge improvement w/all the other brake mods you want to eventually do
Quote from: corey on April 29, 2009, 09:27:29 AM
Is there any performance benefit to switching 999 radial masters?
Especially regarding brakes?
Cowboy, i see you have some uber-upgraded brakes... Had you had the masters on before you upgraded everything else? Or was it all done at once?
I have been wondering if changing my brake master to something with a larger piston, or something that applies a little more pressure, will give a bit more responsiveness (not necessarily stopping power though) from my brakes...
anyone?
IIRC, radials also have the benefit of addtional lever feedback while braking.
when I switched from the coffins to the goldlines, I noticed an increse in braking force in the front the very first trip down the street [laugh]. I rolled up to the stop sign w/the usual amount of pressure, stopped, and noticed that I was easily a foot, almost two, farther back from the line
Quote from: corey on April 29, 2009, 09:27:29 AM
Is there any performance benefit to switching 999 radial masters?
Especially regarding brakes?
Cowboy, i see you have some uber-upgraded brakes... Had you had the masters on before you upgraded everything else? Or was it all done at once?
I have been wondering if changing my brake master to something with a larger piston, or something that applies a little more pressure, will give a bit more responsiveness (not necessarily stopping power though) from my brakes...
the full swap I did on my bike resulted in both better overall braking performance and feel. The feel was the most enhanced by the 999 masters. I'm sure there was some advantage in pushing fluid to the upgraded calipers but for the most part they improved my feel.
Honestly the biggest improvement for the dollar over stock was probably the cheapest --- swapping the stock pads for the Ferodos.
Quote from: corey on April 30, 2009, 12:36:54 PM
anyone?
The 999 masters give you better feel (and more power) than the Goldines or than the coffin masters. I don't like the feel as much as, say, as an aftermarket Brembo radial master, but they're a definite step up from the Goldlines or coffins.
so the 999 masters will mate up properly with my stock S2R800 brake lines???
Quote from: corey on May 01, 2009, 02:01:03 PM
so the 999 masters will mate up properly with my stock S2R800 brake lines???
To add, and with Monster 620 Dark lines?
Lines, yes. The banjo bolts from your bike might have a different angle than was intended to attach to the 999 MC. Really no biggie, just be creative with your angles and re-run your lines if you have to give yourself more room to work.
Quote from: rockaduc on May 02, 2009, 02:34:21 AM
Lines, yes. The banjo bolts from your bike might have a different angle than was intended to attach to the 999 MC. Really no biggie, just be creative with your angles and re-run your lines if you have to give yourself more room to work.
So final answer in this issue" I can bolt up directly the brake masters from a 749/999 and just play around a little with the angles? Also, I can directly bolt 320mm rotors from 748/998?
Anyone, please tell me this is the final answer, regarding the brakes.
What about other brand master cylinder for the brakes? ISR? Berhinger? Nissin?
For the clutch? Only Brembo, right? And the slave clutch cylinder, which is the best, Evo, DP, Oberon, ...?
Quote from: M620D on May 01, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
To add, and with Monster 620 Dark lines?
iirc the lines are the same.
and the 320mm rotors and goldline 4 pot calipers will bolt on