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Title: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on May 08, 2009, 07:03:10 AM
This bike was built by my local dealer here in South Africa.

All I can say is that it was a lot of work and if you want one you can have it, it will be built to order

Specs 1100 multistrada with brembo andOhlins everything, rest are fabricated.
Tank, fenders, tailpiece and fairing are carbon fibre, special one offs by the makers of BST.

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0364.jpg?t=1241791039)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0365.jpg?t=1241791064)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0366.jpg?t=1241791093)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0367.jpg?t=1241791123)
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on May 08, 2009, 07:06:41 AM
Here are some more

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0368.jpg?t=1241791151)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0369.jpg?t=1241791199)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0370.jpg?t=1241791222)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0371.jpg?t=1241791248)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0372.jpg?t=1241791276)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0373.jpg?t=1241791300)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/jacopansegrouw/IMAG0374.jpg?t=1241791324)
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: abby normal on May 08, 2009, 07:07:45 AM
i can appreciate the vision and skill that go into something like that, but .....

not my style.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: the_Journeyman on May 08, 2009, 07:17:01 AM
Serious craftsmanship!

JM
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Norm on May 08, 2009, 07:17:24 AM
I like it - very imaginative. Why did you decide to use a belt vs chain and did you add any extra output shaft supports?
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on May 08, 2009, 07:37:38 AM
Quote from: Norm on May 08, 2009, 07:17:24 AM
I like it - very imaginative. Why did you decide to use a belt vs chain and did you add any extra output shaft supports?

I am not the builder, but this isn`t the first belt conversion that has been done on a ducati from this shop, they have done a belt conversion on a SBK framed monster with a SSS wich has done some 10 000 Km`s with no maintenance whatsoever.

As for support on the output shaft look closely at the last picture and you will see that it looks to be part of the swingarm pivot point
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 07:40:03 AM
I'm impressed. However, I do not think mounting your foot pegs from the front cylinder's exhaust valve cover is a good idea, even if there is a secondary mount. Something about that screams "no!" to me.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: ArguZ on May 08, 2009, 07:43:52 AM
And I was afraid of OCC ....  [puke]
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Spicoli on May 08, 2009, 07:45:04 AM
That looks good.  Nice finishing work.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 07:48:01 AM
Quote from: ArguZ on May 08, 2009, 07:43:52 AM
And I was afraid of OCC ....  [puke]

Why bother clicking if you don't like Choppers?
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on May 08, 2009, 07:57:29 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on May 08, 2009, 07:40:03 AM
I'm impressed. However, I do not think mounting your foot pegs from the front cylinder's exhaust valve cover is a good idea, even if there is a secondary mount. Something about that screams "no!" to me.

The footpeg mounts have been designed with a built in flaw to break off in the event of a tip over, but they can still take the owners 135 Kilo weight.

And I don`t like choppers, but this is way better than anything OCC can come up with.

Frame and tank uses styling cues from a monster.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: ♣ McKraut ♣ on May 08, 2009, 08:09:16 AM
good god...that shifter rod is longer than my.... nevermind.

+1 on confused by this... never understood the desire to make a great bike like that into a chopper.  makes as much sense to me as making a monster dirt bike.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: OverCaffeinated on May 08, 2009, 08:10:05 AM
Not bad. I don't really feel the need to barf or look away.

It's got some really nice bits in there. But those horns need to go.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: OverCaffeinated on May 08, 2009, 08:12:24 AM
Quote from: ♣ McKraut ♣ on May 08, 2009, 08:09:16 AM
good god...that shifter rod is longer than my.... nevermind.

+1 on confused by this... never understood the desire to make a great bike like that into a chopper.  makes as much sense to me as making a monster dirt bike.

(http://www.terramostro.com/images/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: drew.bradshaw on May 08, 2009, 08:16:31 AM
Quote from: OverCaffeinated on May 08, 2009, 08:10:05 AM
Not bad. I don't really feel the need to barf or look away.

It's got some really nice bits in there. But those horns need to go.

i thought those horns looked hilarious on it actually.. i wouldn't put em on my bike, but i know i've seen similar versions at a truck stop they always make me laugh.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: corndog67 on May 08, 2009, 08:21:03 AM
Let's make a good handling, fairly quick sport bike, into a bad handling, probably dangerous to ride, something or other.   Nice work, though. 
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on May 08, 2009, 08:26:00 AM
It handles, stops and turns a lot better than a Suzuki M109R, and yes it`s rideable, still wouldn`t trade my Monster on it ;D ;)
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Blackout on May 08, 2009, 08:26:44 AM
I'd ride it!
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: corndog67 on May 08, 2009, 08:27:52 AM
Quote from: Big Troubled Bear on May 08, 2009, 08:26:00 AM
It handles, stops and turns a lot better than a Suzuki M109R, and yes it`s rideable, still wouldn`t trade my Monster on it ;D ;)

I doubt if it turns well with what appears to be 40 degrees of rake. 
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on May 08, 2009, 08:30:22 AM
As choppers go, it turns ;D
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: El Matador on May 08, 2009, 08:32:17 AM
What I don't get is the full ohlins. I mean, when you're pushing that degree of rake, handling kinda goes out the window
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: DucHead on May 08, 2009, 08:41:17 AM
Choppers ain't my thing, but I think MotoCreations' Desmdevil is much better looking.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 08:42:03 AM
Quote from: Big Troubled Bear on May 08, 2009, 07:57:29 AM
The footpeg mounts have been designed with a built in flaw to break off in the event of a tip over, but they can still take the owners 135 Kilo weight.

And I don`t like choppers, but this is way better than anything OCC can come up with.

Frame and tank uses styling cues from a monster.

Thank goodness - must be like the CycleCat frameslider design. I'm just looking at it as though they took a relatively "protected" part of the engine (because it is narrow) and subjected it to the flaw that BMW boxers have - ground-down heads where the oil flows out.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: El Matador on May 08, 2009, 08:32:17 AM
What I don't get is the full ohlins. I mean, when you're pushing that degree of rake, handling kinda goes out the window

I think they just used what came with it. I agree - better off selling it, buying some chopper forks, and anodizing them gold so they look Ohlins-esque.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 08:44:55 AM
I'd really like to see somebody do the "chopper" thing with the front wheel design in the Tesi. I guess that's not the look, but it gets my attention every time.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: OverCaffeinated on May 08, 2009, 08:12:24 AM
(http://www.terramostro.com/images/1.jpg)

i've always thought this was supermake the beast with two backsingcool. i wouldn't do it, but hell, if you've got loads of money, and already have all the other bikes you want, why not?

Also of note: This chopper and the desmodevil both have substantially thicker looking frames. Maybe its the lines that make them look bigger, but they always look far more robust than the standard Duc frame.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Porsche Monkey on May 08, 2009, 08:55:16 AM
Looks bent
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll161/porschaholic/IMAG0366.jpg)
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 08:57:35 AM
Yeah, wheel isn't centered under bike.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: silentbob on May 08, 2009, 08:59:07 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on May 08, 2009, 08:44:55 AM
I'd really like to see somebody do the "chopper" thing with the front wheel design in the Tesi. I guess that's not the look, but it gets my attention every time.

Like this?

(http://www.rapidbikes.com.au/img/modified/aug/modified-vmax.jpg)
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 09:01:14 AM
I'll be damned. its got Ducati-esque three spokers with a v-twin. That's some interesting exhaust. But that's no chopper, has rearsets and low bars.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: silentbob on May 08, 2009, 09:01:57 AM
Quote from: ato memphis on May 08, 2009, 09:01:14 AM
I'll be damned. its got Ducati-esque three spokers with a v-twin. That's some interesting exhaust. But that's no chopper, has rearsets and low bars.

V4.  It's a V-Max.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: DesmoDiva on May 08, 2009, 09:05:20 AM
I think I'll pass on the bike.

You could sent me the R8 in the background though.   [evil]   ;D
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Monster Dave on May 08, 2009, 09:06:48 AM
I believe that Cecil Beaton said it best when she said "Be daring, be different, be impractical, be anything that will assert integrity of purpose and imaginative vision against the play-it-safers, the creatures of the commonplace, the slaves of the ordinary".

[thumbsup]
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: duccarlos on May 08, 2009, 09:07:51 AM
I think it was done in good taste even though choppers are not my thing.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: the_Journeyman on May 08, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
I think it was successful since there's already 3 pages of various comments about it ~

JM
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: eichh on May 08, 2009, 09:14:56 AM
I like it. The horns are a bit out of place but its a nice looking bike. Would an offset rear wheel perform odd? Would you not notice or would you look like a dog walking Chevy Nova?
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: AfroStar on May 08, 2009, 09:15:42 AM
Not too bad... could have been worst...but that R8 in the back.. that other guys was more interested in that... so would I...
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: MrFryMoto on May 08, 2009, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: OverCaffeinated on May 08, 2009, 08:12:24 AM
(http://www.terramostro.com/images/1.jpg)

on that note - i took my monster up a 3-4 mile windy DIRT path yesterday - it climbs about 2,000'
i can see why someone though that would be a good idea - lots of torque, just needs some better suspension (which they took care of).

the chopper isn't bad
not my cup-o-tea, but i can appreciate the work that went into it

Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Duck-Stew on May 08, 2009, 09:22:47 AM
Gawd damn that's some fab-work!  Nicely done!!!  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Spidey on May 08, 2009, 09:37:50 AM
A coupla random thoughts--

Is that a 180 up front?  That's a biggg tire.

I wish they hadn't done all the chrome.  Cuz it'd look cool with either a bright color or a matte color (or both) in place of the shiny bits.

I assume that's a horn up front and not an intake?  I hope it's a horn.  That's rad. 
 
Is it dry or wet clutch (I don't remember what the Multis have).  It'd suck to do all that work on a Duc and leave it as a wet clutch.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: NAKID on May 08, 2009, 09:55:49 AM
Nice looking frame, nice looking SSSA, interesting belt conversion. But, it's still a wet clutch...
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: MotoCreations on May 08, 2009, 10:07:09 AM
I'm glad to see the competition out there!  Definitely looks like there is some good fabrication work done on the bike.    [thumbsup]

My comments:

- if Blackstone did the bodywork in CF -- too bad they painted it all red.  It would be nice to see the CF weave given their talents.
- Too bad they didn't put the BST wheels on it
- The "feet forward / pulled back bars" is interesting.  I tried it and killed the bike as not enough weight on the front tire for my style of riding. 
- Rake -- it isn't all that radical.  Glad to see they machined new triple clamps and hopefully have the correct "trail" factor
- Rear swingarm -- I like!  I wonder if they did a Honda lower shock assembly to make the shock work properly mounted within the swingarm like that?
- I think the "offset" picture is a photo allusion.  Nobody would make a mistake like that given the work involved
- oversized tubing on the frame?  Smart idea.  Ducati factory frames are wimpy enough in original form -- better to use quality materials instead.
- Bodywork: it looks like they took a Monster tank and a Multi strada seat/tail and combined.  It reminds me a bit ala Gurney's Alligator design.  This is the only real design weak spot I see on the bike -- but it could be easily fixed.
- headlight could be better integrated as well with the cowl
- The multistrada gascap is an interesting tidbit.  Ditto for the MS gauge pod which actually is pretty cool to use
- Forward foot controls -- those are going to hit pretty easily when leaned.  Hopefully the pegs will pivot so they don't dig in. (

Again -- glad to see the bike being built!  Hopefully they sell a few to folks.  I know I have a lot of enthusiastic owners on my DesmoDevil series over the years and there is definitely a marketplace for this type of bike.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: junior varsity on May 08, 2009, 10:09:19 AM
Agreed on the headlight.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: pennyrobber on May 08, 2009, 10:11:23 AM
I can appreciate the work for sure. My only grip is all the crome makes it look a little cheap and tacky kind of like the cruiser that Hyosung came out with.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Scottish on May 08, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
For what it is I think it's well done, thankfully not over done.  [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Speedbag on May 08, 2009, 06:59:14 PM
Quote from: Scottish on May 08, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
For what it is I think it's well done, thankfully not over done.  [thumbsup]

+1

The horns need to go, but the rest is tolerable. I certainly respect the workmanship.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Rameses on May 08, 2009, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: Ivan Vukchevic on May 08, 2009, 07:47:28 AM

Nice Audi...



One of those blew past me earlier tonight.

First time I'd ever seen one in person.

I almost ran off the road.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Kopfjäger on May 08, 2009, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: Rameses on May 08, 2009, 08:53:47 PM


One of those blew past me earlier tonight.

First time I'd ever seen one in person.

I almost ran off the road.

You live in South Africa?
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: rockaduc on May 09, 2009, 05:19:59 AM
Quote from: Ivan Vukchevic on May 08, 2009, 07:47:28 AM

Nice Audi...

Exactly, they can keep the "Mutant"...I"ll take that R8 thank you.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: red baron on May 09, 2009, 09:53:17 AM
I like it. [thumbsup]


and I'd ride it. ;D
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Rameses on May 09, 2009, 10:18:33 AM
Quote from: kopfjager on May 08, 2009, 09:53:52 PM
You live in South Africa?


South African Audis are different than Audis in the rest of the world?


Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Kopfjäger on May 09, 2009, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Rameses on May 09, 2009, 10:18:33 AM

South African Audis are different than Audis in the rest of the world?




Oh, I thought you meant the bike. My bad.  [drink]
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: teddy037.2 on May 10, 2009, 09:34:09 AM
belt drive is cool, and I agree w/spidey on the horns. rad!

I could see running no cowl, different wheels and paint if I were to drop the coin on it, but otherwise I can dig it
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: championmvp on May 10, 2009, 11:28:22 AM
not exactly my style.would i ride it hell yes.paying for it is another thing
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: EvilSteve on May 10, 2009, 05:30:16 PM
 [puke]

Some choppers look really cool, this one doesn't IMO. From the back it kind of looks cool but the tank is too high and it just looks out of proportion. i can see that a lot of work went into it and I mean no disrespect to the people that made it but I wouldn't buy it if you paid me.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: BMiller on May 10, 2009, 09:11:29 PM
That chopper is cool, but not really my style.  I can't get over that big front tire [moto]
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Drunken Monkey on May 10, 2009, 11:49:32 PM
It's a great bike, but I have to say that all the chrome makes it look kind of ticky-tacky

As someone else said, it would have looked better with more black and just chrome accents.

Still, awesome design and fab work.

Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Vindingo on May 11, 2009, 01:00:45 AM
The swingarm looks super slick!

I was looking at the right side of the bike and hoping that the exhaust was just slash cut straight pipes that ended right after the seat.  It would look and sound so much more badass
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on May 11, 2009, 04:02:38 AM
Here are some more photos of the chopper/cruiser

http://www.docsouthafrica.co.za/MFR%20Mutant/album/index.html (http://www.docsouthafrica.co.za/MFR%20Mutant/album/index.html)
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Scottish on May 11, 2009, 01:27:43 PM
Oh....... :-\ I gotta say I like it less after seeing more pics. I hadn't realized how cartoonish it was from the other pics. It looked lower and sleeker, holding more with the traditional Moster proportions.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Monster Dave on May 11, 2009, 01:57:45 PM
Are you sure that the images' aspect ratio isn't just off?

...does look different in those pics.
Title: Re: Ducati Mutant, Chopper
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on May 12, 2009, 01:17:41 AM
Def aspect ratio ;D