I'm bummed that the reason for this post is because my 696 now sits in a shop waiting to be inspected. I've had it for about ten months and I've put about 8k miles and have not had a single probem until now. ???
I was 20 miles en route to school yesterday. I was sitting at a light and the bike was in neutral when it suddenly puttered out. It sounded like it was choking out. I start it up again and it sounded like it was firing on only one cyclinder/half running and then it puttered out again. The final sounds it was making almost sounds like clicking, as in metal flying around. I might be paranoid, but I fear the worst that there's some way the timing belt broke and it caused serious damage to the cylinder. The bike's less than a yr old and I know there's no way that should happen -- it's an irrational fear, right? :-\ But my 748 did that and ruined our relationship forever because of how much it cost me to fix. [bang]
The only thing I did different to the bike recently was I installed the full termi's with ecu and air filter. It's been about 200 miles since I did that and I thought if I needed to take to the dealer to get adjustments I would've known in the first few rides. Would installing the pipes cause this?
I just got the 7500 mi service and it was running like a champ. I did the pipes a week after that. Yesterday I had gas and it had been running and hot when this happened. If anybody has any theories they'd be much appreciated. At the very least, I'm using this post to vent a little [bang] I really need it to be minor issue and NOTHING major because I'm over making repairs on ducs. Hopefully by Fri Munroe said they'll know what's up... I need the bike to do my trackday which is in less than two weeks.
Thats something new to me..ill ask around some of my duc bodies see what they say about it..
hope nothing major.
Quote from: ducnymph on May 12, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
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I just got the 7500 mi service and it was running like a champ. I did the pipes a week after that. Yesterday I had gas and it had been running and hot when this happened. If anybody has any theories they'd be much appreciated. At the very least, I'm using this post to vent a little [bang] I really need it to be minor issue and NOTHING major because I'm over making repairs on ducs. Hopefully by Fri Munroe said they'll know what's up... I need the bike to do my trackday which is in less than two weeks.
Did you mean you just got gas?
Maybe you bought some water with it?
I hate to say this but when something like this happens in my profession it's because the aircraft just came out of maintenance :-\
I am super paranoid when I see a service inspection just completed!
Who did your 7500 mile service. They may have Fuuucked up and not tightened something properly.
Quote from: ghostrider on May 12, 2009, 03:51:12 PM
I hate to say this but when something like this happens in my profession it's because the aircraft just came out of maintenance :-\
I am super paranoid when I see a service inspection just completed!
Who did your 7500 mile service. They may have Fuuucked up and not tightened something properly.
this might be true.Sounds like the belts snap..
Quote from: ducpainter on May 12, 2009, 02:32:29 PM
Did you mean you just got gas?
Maybe you bought some water with it?
No, what I meant was I checked after it stalled to make sure there was gas in it. And no I, personally, didn't have gas [cheeky]. It only 75 miles on the tank.
Quote from: ghostrider on May 12, 2009, 03:51:12 PM
I hate to say this but when something like this happens in my profession it's because the aircraft just came out of maintenance :-\
I am super paranoid when I see a service inspection just completed!
Who did your 7500 mile service. They may have Fuuucked up and not tightened something properly.
You're right about that. It does seem pretty odd that it's doing this right after I got it serviced. It's going back to where the service was done. Another friend mentioned it might be the ecu.
Man, I'm peeved. I just sat through awful traffic wishing I had the bike >:(
If you are in need of a moto I can see if I can get the old KZ440 running for ya. [moto]
Hmm...heard of a few reports like this now.... the others all have been elecrtical problems rather than mechanical ones.... "The final sounds it was making almost sounds like clicking".... could this "clicking" sound have been the sound of a fried relay attempting to pull in??? Coz this has been the culprit on at least one other occasion.
Please keep us informed when you find out the cause and Good Luck with it, hopefully nothing serious.
Quote from: ungeheuer on May 12, 2009, 11:49:25 PM
Hmm...heard of a few reports like this now.... the others all have been elecrtical problems rather than mechanical ones.... "The final sounds it was making almost sounds like clicking".... could this "clicking" sound have been the sound of a fried relay attempting to pull in??? Coz this has been the culprit on at least one other occasion.
Please keep us informed when you find out the cause and Good Luck with it, hopefully nothing serious.
Perhaps it could be something electrical. Someone mentioned it could be the ecu. Whatever it is I really hope it's minor and I can get my baby back soon :P
Quote from: ghostrider on May 12, 2009, 10:30:35 PM
If you are in need of a moto I can see if I can get the old KZ440 running for ya. [moto]
That might be fun to try riding something new! I'll let you know if it comes to it. I should be hearing from Munroe's by friday.
Quote from: ducnymph on May 13, 2009, 12:38:05 AM
Perhaps it could be something electrical. Someone mentioned it could be the ecu. Whatever it is I really hope it's minor and I can get my baby back soon :P
There is a recall on the wiring harness, maybe when they did the service, they made it worse... Hope you get her back soon, interested to hear whats going on as I just kit 9k on my Dark and just did the 7500 service a few weeks back...
I'm in shock and can't believe the news I just heard. Munroe's just looked at my bike and found that something catastophic did happen and the vertical cylinder has been damaged. They're pulling apart the engine right now and it's gonna be weeks before it's fixed [bang] [bang] I was supposed to go to a two-day novice school on may 25th-26th and now I won't get to without a bike. I'd been looking forward to it ALL YEAR LONG [bang] [bang]
It's ridiculous to me that an engine that's less than a year old has to be rebuilt and I'm gonna try to either get a new bike or a refund. 8k and ten months old -- not acceptable.
New bike period.
Did Munroes explain to you what exactly happened?
Quote from: ghostrider on May 13, 2009, 02:31:19 PM
New bike period.
Did Munroes explain to you what exactly happened?
I agree.
I just talked to them and they said the exhaust valve seized. They said the valve and guide will have to be replaced. They don't know what caused it. wow, this blows.
Quote from: ghostrider on May 13, 2009, 02:31:19 PM
New bike period.
Did Munroes explain to you what exactly happened?
Quote from: ducnymph on May 13, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
I agree.
I just talked to them and they said the exhaust valve seized. They said the valve and guide will have to be replaced. They don't know what caused it. wow, this blows.
New bike based on what?
Read the warranty...and the lemon law stuff.
I really don't think you have a case for a new bike...
and yes...a failure like that sucks.
The old saying: Shit Happens
That's why you have a warranty, Things go wrong, it sucks and Blows, but sadly that's life.
You want to see the Warranty list for my S2R 800 Monster, It's mind blowing, but such is life, I waited 5 weeks for my bike because of $5 rubber seal that had to come from Italy!
But each thing that has failed has not caused the other failure, just a series of small things.
It's a sad thing when your new toy breaks, but no matter how much you spend on anything (Car, bike, whatever) things break down.
Just keep in touch with your dealer, see if they can give you an approx ETA on when your bike will return to you, and spend that time surfing the web looking for more bling bits for ytour Monster ;D
Quote from: ducnymph on May 13, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
I agree.
I just talked to them and they said the exhaust valve seized. They said the valve and guide will have to be replaced. They don't know what caused it. wow, this blows.
So did they explain how a Desmodromic valve seizes, from my limited understanding of the system there is nothing to seize. A seized valve is normally due to a busted spring.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 13, 2009, 05:25:07 PM
I really don't think you have a case for a new bike...
and yes...a failure like that sucks.
Yeah, you may be right. They probably won't replace it with a new one since it's repairable. It's just frustrating becsause I had reliability issues with both my previous ducs and this experience is giving me a bad taste for the brand. On the other hand, I can't picture myself on anything else and really love my bike and ducs in general. I guess it just comes with the territory. Dam m*^%#%&&*n' Ducati's [laugh]
Quote from: CairnsDuc on May 13, 2009, 05:50:08 PM
The old saying: Shit Happens
That's why you have a warranty, Things go wrong, it sucks and Blows, but sadly that's life.
You want to see the Warranty list for my S2R 800 Monster, It's mind blowing, but such is life, I waited 5 weeks for my bike because of $5 rubber seal that had to come from Italy!
But each thing that has failed has not caused the other failure, just a series of small things.
It's a sad thing when your new toy breaks, but no matter how much you spend on anything (Car, bike, whatever) things break down.
Just keep in touch with your dealer, see if they can give you an approx ETA on when your bike will return to you, and spend that time surfing the web looking for more bling bits for ytour Monster ;D
Yup, this is all true. Thanks for the simple advice. I always keep my toys well maintained and stuff always breaks. I just happen to be a vertical cylinder head wrecker of sorts [laugh] This makes time number two.
I just got some new bling, the cf termi's, a couple weeks ago and was really enjoying them. So i'm not in a place to look for new bling, but will hopefully get to enjoy the bling I just got soon.
Sorry to hear it. At least it's under warranty. I wouldn't let this spoil the bike for you, sometimes mechanical things go pop.
Hi R! I saw DarkStar today and he mentioned to me about your bike :'( since I am also experiencing mechanical issues with my Duc. It's back at Desmoto after they've had it 3 weeks (but I was away for 2 of those weeks) and I love those guys so it's all good. Hope that things get sorted for your bike asap!!!
Thanks S, sorry to hear your girl's in the shop. We should ride again soon when all bikes are working again [moto] And thanks pennyrobber, I know what you mean. I'm a little less p'd off today than I was yesterday. Having a duc breakdown is like being in a bad relationship... even if it's not working, you miss it sooooo much [laugh]
I'm sure I'll get it back soon. I know Munroes is working with DNA to expidite the service. I should be talking with them more about it tomorrow. If I could only get it back in time for my track day that would be miraculous... I won't hold my breath though.
QuoteI hate to say this but when something like this happens in my profession it's because the aircraft just came out of maintenance Undecided
I am super paranoid when I see a service inspection just completed!
I'm with ghostrider on this. Dunno how it works with warranty work but if you were paying they have to give you back the old parts so you can see what they really did. Real easy to second guess from behind a keyboard but did they make any valve shim adjustments during the 7500 mile service? Not saying that if they did they for sure screwed something up, but still...something doesn't quite sound right about a valve sticking in the guide right after a service.
Quote from: Langanobob on May 14, 2009, 10:53:09 PMDunno how it works with warranty work but if you were paying they have to give you back the old parts so you can see what they really did. Real easy to second guess from behind a keyboard but did they make any valve shim adjustments during the 7500 mile service? Not saying that if they did they for sure screwed something up, but still...something doesn't quite sound right about a valve sticking in the guide right after a service.
When you're paying the new parts are yours and so are the old parts, so you get 'em back. Under warranty the failed parts are theirs and they give you nice new ones in exchange. When it's for free you get to know only what they want you to know. I dunno about a "stuck" valve... but if you're desmo gear aint adjusted properly and the valve isnt seating fully then it will burn out real fast. I know from personal stupidity, always the hardest lessons to learn those ones... Still if somebody screwed up even though it is inconvenient - and I'd be mad too - at least it will be swept under the carpet of the warranty.
Hope you get back on the road soon
ducnymph.
So there's a happy ending to this story... I just got my bike back today and will be able to make it to my trackday on Monday ;D [moto] 8)
The bike is running like a champ and it's amazing the shop got the work done so fast. I was pretty upset and they worked really hard to expidite the repair. The experience of having it break down still dimishes my faith in Ducati a little and I'm hoping they'll work on making their bikes more reliable. But then again, like some posters mentioned, it's a little odd that the bike broke down within a couple weeks of it's service. If the shop was in any way at fault, clearly this was swept under the blanket of warranty. I choose to believe they're a stand up shop and would do the job right the first time. In any event, sh$t happens and I'm just grateful that despite this happening I was able to get it back fast. Now, I'm letting myself get really excited about the track! ;D ;D ;D