Hi All,
Have a lead on a 2004 620ie for sale. Do these models have the red/black key with code card? Also, did they come with the flyscreen? This bike has been dropped on the right side... so typical Monster dent in the tank. Bike is right at the 12k mile service interval. Not sure what to figure for the tank repair. Could probably do the 12k mile service myself but figure that is a negotiating factor as well. So, what would you think this bike would be worth? Owner's asking $3200 obo. Hope to have a Monster in the garage someday.....
Thanks!
Mark
Price. I'm no expert, but I'd say the price is pretty good if it's in otherwise good shape and there is nothing other than the 12k to take care of (if it's stock rubber, I bet they don't have much life left). You're not going to find a monster for much, much cheaper than that.
Tank. You're probably looking at $300-$700 for the tank repair and repaint (cost are alllll over the place).
Red key. Yes, they came with red key + card.
Flyscreen. I'm not sure re the flyscreen, but IIRC they should come with the flyscreen if they're the S version, not if it's the dark.
yes, it should have both red/black keys and the code card...
what's the blue book in your area for that bike? that's a good starting point, then factor in how you feel the drop affected the bike (hidden damage outside of the tank dent?)
would it be possible to get it to a mechanic to look over before purchase?
dang your quick fingers, warren! lol
but... IIRC, at least for 2005, the non-dark 620 has the screen.
If it's right up on the 12k - then that's a few hundred dollars of swing factor. The big specs for 12k are valve check/reshim Replace timing belts and change oil. Other stuff that should be looked over are the age of the rubber - if it's original it probably needs replaced. Most bike tire manuf recommend replacement at 5 years of age, regardless of wear. Of course that's probably conservative, but it is something to keep in mind.
Have a look over the chain - if you can get it on a rear stand and hand turn the rear wheel, more the better. You're looking for real rusting (like coming out from the rollers) kinks or binding. If there's heavy duty rust, not just a little surface stuff, or bad links then you'll be looking at a chain and sprocket set $200-300 for parts.
Have a look in the tank with a flashlight - looking for rust.
Quote from: Spidey on May 25, 2009, 07:44:22 PM
Flyscreen. I'm not sure re the flyscreen, but IIRC they should come with the flyscreen if they're the S version, not if it's the dark.
In 2004 there was only the ie or the dark (and the dark single disc if you want..) - and my ie had both with seat cowl and flyscreen
seems like a good deal as long as you can live with the dent...if you must have it fixed I would figure somewhere around a extra $500. (if it lower than that thats awesome!)
That's not a bad price for a 2004....even if you can't get him down a few more dollars I wouldn't feel bad paying that price. Especially if it's in clean shape other than the tank ding. But given it needs the 12k service I'd go ahead an negotiate.
The 620's came with both the cowl and fairing in 2004. I had an '03 (which came sans fairing) and was pissed to see they were stock the following year. Plus, it had a 6 speed instead of a 5.
and if you want a new tank opposed to repairing that one, you're looking on the order of $2000. I had my 12k done last year and it was right at $600 (oil change, belt change, fuel filter change, shims checked/adjusted, some more I'm sure).
Did they replace the bars when it was dropped? They tend to bend. Check the underside of the cans for scratches which would help tell the story of the drop (if they weren't replaced).
When I bought mine used, it came with the cowl, but not the fly screen. Maybe some dealers added them as options?
Try and find a local shop in your are (not a Dealership) that can save you a lot of $ for the 12k, but quote the dealership price to the seller to negotiate.
Quote from: dezoe on May 26, 2009, 05:58:07 AM
In 2004 there was only the ie or the dark (and the dark single disc if you want..) - and my ie had both with seat cowl and flyscreen
all the 620's are ie (fuel injected)... ;)
don't mind me, I'm just nitpickin'
Quote from: teddy037.2 on May 26, 2009, 09:22:25 AM
all the 620's are ie (fuel injected)... ;)
All 620's are fuel injected, that's true. But '620 i.e.' was also used in the model name, at least in 2003
Thus: all 620 are i.e. - but some are also called i.e. ..or something like that ;D [drink]
I thought they were all "620ie" so... 620ie dark, 620ie, 620ie S.
hmmmm...
where's that ducati catalog when I need it? my brain are dumb sometimes
Yep, my 2004 Dark i.e. came with red key and the card. I did not get the one with the seat cowl and front cowl (assuming that means fly screen). I think those items were like $600 extra back in 2004. Fuel injected, yes. Dealership 12K service was around $500-$600 (I stopped going there afterwards). Good luck with the bike research.
Quote from: teddy037.2 on May 26, 2009, 02:17:32 PM
I thought they were all "620ie" so... 620ie dark, 620ie, 620ie S.
I THINK the correct nameing is as follows (correct me if I'm wrong);
2002-2003
Monster 620 i.e.
Monster 620s i.e.
Monster 620DARK i.e.
2004-2006 (PTC clutch, 6 speed)
Monster 620
Monster 620 dark
So the 2004 is not called i.e. (probably because there were no more s i.e.) ..but some call their '04 620 i.e. anyway (see my .sig ;D)
Quote from: MGN54 on May 25, 2009, 07:36:39 PM
Hi All,
Have a lead on a 2004 620ie for sale. Do these models have the red/black key with code card? Also, did they come with the flyscreen? This bike has been dropped on the right side... so typical Monster dent in the tank. Bike is right at the 12k mile service interval. Not sure what to figure for the tank repair. Could probably do the 12k mile service myself but figure that is a negotiating factor as well. So, what would you think this bike would be worth? Owner's asking $3200 obo. Hope to have a Monster in the garage someday.....
Thanks!
Mark
Price seems OK, negociate, bit regarding pending 12K svs and 'tank' issue, you might get lucky and find a used plastic one[complete] for around $300~$500... Just a thought ...
Offer $2700.00 cash in hand
For pricing info, you can always visit:
Kelly Blue Book
www.kbb.com (http://www.kbb.com)
National Auto Dealers Association (despite the name, it also has motorcycle info)
www.nada.com (http://www.nada.com)
Thanks for all the replies! I need to check to see if the keys and code card are available. Also, looks like the Remus pipe has been scratched up. I believe owner has original pipes but what fun is that? [laugh] More I think on this, I'm not so sure. For what it would take to get this one to top shape I could probably buy a nicer one ready to roll. Got to do some more research on this one.
With that thought in mind, how do the 750's compare to the 620's. I rode a 2000 750 dark with hi termis that had been massaged by Jeff Nash that I'm still kicking myself for not buying at the time.....748S swooned me a bit too much at the time!
I think the 620 will be a little better than a 750, but really to close to worry about.
Quote from: lwszabo on May 30, 2009, 05:30:48 PM
I think the 620 will be a little better than a 750, but really to close to worry about.
When the injected 620's came out, the HP and torque figures equalled those of the carbed 750's. This is one reason the 750 went away.
Quote from: Bun-bun on May 30, 2009, 08:40:33 PM
When the injected 620's came out, the HP and torque figures equalled those of the carbed 750's. This is one reason the 750 went away.
then things get a little happier when you swap 750 barrels on your 620 :D
I have a 2004 M620ie and in general it's a very good bike, and the 620 motor seems to be about the most reliable Duc motor.
You may have already made your decision but the only concern I have is that your bike has been "dropped". One thing to check is the steering stops on the steering head. They are easily damaged (also easily repaired) but I've heard of insurance adjusters claiming that since the stops are on the frame, a damaged stop means a damaged frame and a totaled bike as far as the insurance company is concerned. Silly, but still it could be an issue and if the steering stop was damaged in the "drop" then you have more bargaining power on the price. Seems like there are almost always some unwelcome surprises down the road when buying a used bike and a dropped bike is more likely to have more surprises. Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 01, 2009, 02:19:11 PM
then things get a little happier when you swap 750 barrels on your 620 :D
Just the barrels? No injectors? No repmapping? No...? Polishing?
Quote from: M620D on June 02, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
Just the barrels? No injectors? No repmapping? No...? Polishing?
750 barrels, FBF 11:1 pistons, already had the PCIII to fix fuelling when I did my airbox/filter/exhaust
:)
time and money will get it back on the dyno, but I haven't gotten 'round to it yet
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 03, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
750 barrels, FBF 11:1 pistons, already had the PCIII to fix fuelling when I did my airbox/filter/exhaust
:)
time and money will get it back on the dyno, but I haven't gotten 'round to it yet
Thanks for 4-1-1...and if i would only install the barrels?
well, bumps in displacement are always nice... but if you're going to swap, you need new pistons anyway, so I went ahead and looked into hi-comps.
the rest of the world will tell you to not waste your time or money upping the cubes in your 620. just swap for a 900, or 1000 motor (better $ per hp value, then more 'build-up' parts to be had, dry clutch, etc)
but I don't like to listen to the world ;D i'm kind of stupid that way
that, and I'm fine w/the mid-sized motor. don't need anything bigger, but I'm curious to see how far you can take a 620... I hear you can hit 140mph w/one ;)
Quote from: teddy037.2 on June 04, 2009, 09:08:21 AM
I don't listen to the world ;D
I'm fine w/the mid-sized motor. don't need anything bigger, ;)
just want a bit more ump... you know, like in cars... btw, i also don't listen to the world...unless..... there's something to be learned....
Quote from: M620D on June 04, 2009, 04:34:49 PM
just want a bit more ump... you know, like in cars... btw, i also don't listen to the world...unless..... there's something to be learned....
the box, arrows, and PCIII had my rwhp/torque numbers on par w/the stock claimed crank numbers, so that was a nice start [thumbsup]
so I imagine that getting the fuelling sorted after the hi-comps will be a lil'happier. it certainly feels more urgent, and sounds waaaayyyyyy better than before