Looking to get some closeup detail pics of Rizoma Rearsets for the DSS generation Monsters.
My bike is a 99, and I'm looking to compare visually the differences, if any, of the mounting locations of the newer DSS Monsters (2000+, 2002+). Both sides would be helpful. I am aware that the sidestand mounting has changed over the years, looking to see how it all goes on the bike, and there aren't closeups of the sets installed on the Rizoma site, nor on PJ's.
Again, looking for pics on a 600/620/695/750/800/900/1000/S4 Monster. Don't need pictures of the S*R or 696/1100 because they are completely different.
The pictures, like beer: The more, the merrier. [thumbsup]
These the ones?
(http://applewood.smugmug.com/photos/422897288_Uk7em-XL.jpg)
(http://applewood.smugmug.com/photos/545587505_RYeqy-XL-1.jpg)
Not quite, though those are pretty slick. They do mount to the oil sump like the set I'm talking about though:
(http://www.rizoma.com/IMG/Prodotti/Big/PE201B.jpg)
I need pics of these installed.
How about these from my '07 M695?
BK
IZ_ pic:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/sxivdt.jpg)
Video:
84E penske 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SYp2lG7pY#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Here's a shot of the right side. Unfortunately that's the only detail pic I have on hand.
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r462/MarkSidler/Cafe%20Monster/Cafe11.jpg?t=1245555744)
I can take a few more shots tomorrow if you need them. Any area specifically you want detailed?
Both of those last posts were spot on. I do need a shifter side pic - especially where it connects to oil sump.
Also, it looks like it would be pretty easy to remove the shifter and con-rod - is that so? I currently run reverse shift.
I'm looking to see if I can make these 2000+/2002+ rearsets work on my '99.
Thanks for the pics, it helps a ton.
Quote from: BK_856er on June 20, 2009, 06:09:22 PM
Video:
84E penske 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SYp2lG7pY#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Nice video. [thumbsup]
Markus,
Your picture helps the most because your bike is also a hooped swingarm, like mine.
Pretty please, take a few pics up close and of the other side for me! I might even mail you a beer (just ask Brian at Motowheels if you don't believe me).
Quote from: ato memphis on June 21, 2009, 07:12:33 AM
Markus,
Your picture helps the most because your bike is also a hooped swingarm, like mine.
Pretty please, take a few pics up close and of the other side for me! I might even mail you a beer (just ask Brian at Motowheels if you don't believe me).
No prob. I'll take a few more pics this afternoon and upload them for you when I'm home from work.
I accept all manner of payment for services rendered, but I like beer the most [thumbsup]
;D
1. Camera - check
2. Head to dad's for Father's Day dinner (conveniently also where Monster is stored) - check
3. Take detail pics of Rizoma rearsets - check
4. Get home and upload pics to computer - ah, dammit! :-[ I left my uplink cable in my office.
I'll post those pics for you in the morning. Sorry ato.
Sounds great! No problems - just want to make sure I have my bases covered when it comes time to call up PJ and let him know I'm going to be experimenting.
I see no discernible differences in the set up of my bike (now that I have the newer style sidestand and mount) and your bike in regards to the rearset mounting points, on the brake side, save the floating caliper bracket (mine is mounted at 12' with an 888 style billet mount - so that style mount is not possible)
i can be patient to make similar deductions about the clutch side!
Hopefully Markus has some better ones for you tomorrow...
BK
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2ytodpz.jpg)
Thanks, that does help too though - you guys have been helpful (also Scooby too, because his bike is fun to look at)
One of the pics I need most is almost shown in BK's pic, the lower mounting point of the shifter-side rearset. It looks like it goes in the hole just aft of the sidestand bracket. I want to verify that's true and that everything looks the same on my set up.
I'm nearly certain that these are the same on...all Ducati air cooled motors (except possibly the most recent 696 generation and the SSS bikes) - and it appears that the frame tabs are in the same relative position, even though they went from the 888 frames to the ST frames - and if I had a newer Monster (like the 695, thanks BK!) I could simply whip out a tape measure or compare the two stock rearsets.
This whole lot of shenanigans comes about by the inconsistent listing from Rizoma as to which Monsters these rearsets will fit. It used to include 99's. Then it was 2000+, however I've seen some websites list it as 2002+. The only thing I can think of that changed from 99 to 2000 on the M900 is the sidestand, and fuel injection. Whether that means a different oil sump or mounting hole location is currently unknown to me. If it looks like the only real difference in regards to the Rizoma rearsets is the sidestand, well, I've "updated" my bike to the newer style.
And if all these questions are resolved, I'll contact PJ and let him know I need a set, and what to update the product listing with if such sidestand will work (including the Ducati OEM part # for the newer sidestand / kickstand assembly).
This one better?
The shiny allen buttonhead bolt on the sidestand attachment was providided by Rizoma.
At least some of the fitment listings might have something to do with the rear brake master. I had to make some minor modifications to the parts so it would work for me.
I can't comment on the early/late OE rearset differences, no FHE there.
BK
(http://i42.tinypic.com/f437ky.jpg)
Are you still in Memphis? I have these on my S4 welcome to come by and check them out.
Hope these help.
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r462/MarkSidler/rearset3.jpg?t=1245672193)
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r462/MarkSidler/rearset2.jpg?t=1245672229)
(http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r462/MarkSidler/rearset1.jpg?t=1245672252)
If you need some measurements taken let me know and I'll whip out the tape.
:)
Quote from: tonkoshala on June 21, 2009, 10:27:05 PM
Are you still in Memphis? I have these on my S4 welcome to come by and check them out.
Sadly no, I'm in Dallas now.
However, I think all those pictures will do it!
My rear brake master looks the same, as does everything else to the shots in the pictures. I'll need to find my factory rear brake hinge element (that connects to the pedal linkage) because the part on the AG Hammer rearsets is different, but aside from that, it looks like this will be a "go" for my 99 Monster.
Thanks for all the help, I'll make sure to post up my results in the next few months when I have enough scratch to order the sets.
I owe you all beers!
I know I'm resurrecting an ancient thread, but the subject line precisely describes my request. I'm willing to start a new thread if the mods deem it appropriate.
That stated, would someone post pics of their setup, particularly the side with the rear master cylinder? Two pics would be very helpful - 1st pic normal to the rearset and the 2nd pic - one directly above the same rearset looking down. It would also be really helpful to know how far these rearsets are spaced away from the frame at the point 2" in back of the rearmost upper mounting hole.
My exhaust has two up-pipes that are side-by-side thus limiting aftermarket rearset options. I'm hoping that the Rizomas flare out from the frame almost identical to the chicken-wing rearsets.
This was taken a few years ago. Out of town and away from the bike, so no measurements possible right now.
BK
(http://i33.tinypic.com/oa26vq.jpg)
i don't have any useful pics of this yet, but a quick note: if you aren't using the low-mount pipe hangers, you either can put in a high-pipe adapter bracket (spacing the rearsets outwards appropriately), or modify the spacer at the rearset/engine-sump connection and move the the rearset closer to the frame.
Curious why you say the aftermarket rearsets (a la DP/MW/S&P or Ducabike) won't work?
Quote from: junior varsity on April 25, 2013, 09:18:16 AM
Curious why you say the aftermarket rearsets (a la DP/MW/S&P or Ducabike) won't work?
I purchased a set of Ducabike rearsets and one of the up-pipes interferes with the master cylinder. Since my exhaust has both up-pipes routed on the right side like and SBK exhaust, there isn't enough room to mount the mc in the intended location. If reference to BK's picture, the problematic up-pipe is routed approximately near the middle of the heel guard.
I'd love to make the Ducabikes work, but they will probably be listed in the sale section and I'll likely focus my attention on the Rizomas or CycleCat DRS-43 if they get the parts in from their machine shop source.
(http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o496/jcathirell/20130413_173827.jpg)
I figured the picture will explain my challenge better than my words. Any suggestions on either making the Ducabikes or Rizomas work. ..
Take a big hammer and smash the front of the pipe flat. Then the mc should fit!
Quote from: Real Recognize Real on April 25, 2013, 01:08:37 PM
I purchased a set of Ducabike rearsets and one of the up-pipes interferes with the master cylinder. Since my exhaust has both up-pipes routed on the right side like and SBK exhaust, there isn't enough room to mount the mc in the intended location. If reference to BK's picture, the problematic up-pipe is routed approximately near the middle of the heel guard.
I'd love to make the Ducabikes work, but they will probably be listed in the sale section and I'll likely focus my attention on the Rizomas or CycleCat DRS-43 if they get the parts in from their machine shop source.
I too had clearance issues with my Ducabike rearsets and the "S" pipe of my exhaust. What I did was space out the rearsets off the frame. I installed 10mm aluminum spacer bushings between the frame and rearset. Doing that allowed just enough clearance of the rear brake master cylinder. The brake fluid line clears the pipe by a few mm's. (Fingers x'd that this is ok)
Quote from: COP TZR on April 25, 2013, 08:44:36 PM
I too had clearance issues with my Ducabike rearsets and the "S" pipe of my exhaust. What I did was space out the rearsets off the frame. I installed 10mm aluminum spacer bushings between the frame and rearset. Doing that allowed just enough clearance of the rear brake master cylinder. The brake fluid line clears the pipe by a few mm's. (Fingers x'd that this is ok)
Any chance you could post pics of your setup so I could a get a visual? Did you get these spacers from a hardware store or did you fab them yourself?
Quote from: Real Recognize Real on April 26, 2013, 08:09:59 AM
Any chance you could post pics of your setup so I could a get a visual? Did you get these spacers from a hardware store or did you fab them yourself?
I got them from Princess Auto here in Canada. They are round thick aluminum bushings with a hole drilled thru the center. I touched them with black paint to blend with my black frame and black rearsets. I'll get a pic for you shortly.
example of bushings. If you cant find any, I could get you a set and mail them out to you.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_qQZxyZW-I2g/TNMAyGsgVII/AAAAAAAAAY0/SCFxxf4Jiw0/s512/Aluminum%20Bushing.jpg)
OR mount the master cylinder using a superbike / SS bracket and rear brake lever down on the engine sump. Voila, problem solved?
Quote from: junior varsity on April 26, 2013, 11:04:23 AM
OR mount the master cylinder using a superbike / SS bracket and rear brake lever down on the engine sump. Voila, problem solved?
hmmm...so this is the key to my success: http://www.gothamcycles.com/Bodyworkhtml/Ducati-Rear-Brake-Master-Cylinder-Bracket.html (http://www.gothamcycles.com/Bodyworkhtml/Ducati-Rear-Brake-Master-Cylinder-Bracket.html)
I like this option and it seems similar to the cyclecat DRS43 system. Do I need to acquire an SBK/SS mc & clevis or will my current M900 rear mc work? I just wanna completely understand what's needed to make this work.
The SBK master cylinder has the brake line connection on top, IIRC, instead of on the end. That might be beneficial. Clevis is probably the same, but an easy way to check is to get on an online-parts finder and compare part numbers between models.
The only thing "I dunno" is if the foot peg position of aftermarket rearsets, from the Monster frame, is close enough in its relative position to the engine/sump that using the SBK type rear brake master cylinder/pedal setup will have the rear brake lever positioned correctly for use (and not too far versus too close, etc.)
On Bianca I have a SBK mount and lever for the rear brake master, however the master itself comes from the monster (brake line bolts on the end, not the top).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uAVvp6sgrjA/TjPzmiPlJUI/AAAAAAAAAb4/gSibETkx63c/s800/2011-07-30%25252007.58.28.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MIoZfMLyqsE/TnNPN7j9_nI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/RaURqva5A3U/w677-h508/vert_02.jpg)
This eBay auction (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ducati-996-Rear-Brake-Master-Cylinder-748-916-998-900ss-750ss-/321067255200?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac11985a0&vxp=mtr) has everything you need (bracket, foot lever, plunger and special bolt), you can re-use your rear master.
My concern with the spacers is that the master cylinder is very close (if not still in contact with) the exhaust header. This could lead to the brake fluid over heating and *unintended* braking.
Comparing your pics and mine, it looks like the lever position (where you press with your foot) is the same with your rear sets and the SBK master, so that should work out nicely.
Hope this helps, text me if you need.
Quote from: The Mad King Pepe' on April 26, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
On Bianca I have a SBK mount and lever for the rear brake master, however the master itself comes from the monster (brake line bolts on the end, not the top).
This eBay auction (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ducati-996-Rear-Brake-Master-Cylinder-748-916-998-900ss-750ss-/321067255200?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac11985a0&vxp=mtr) has everything you need (bracket, foot lever, plunger and special bolt), you can re-use your rear master.
Comparing your pics and mine, it looks like the lever position (where you press with your foot) is the same with your rear sets and the SBK master, so that should work out nicely.
Hope this helps, text me if you need.
Thanks to everyone for the feedback and I'll definitely post up the end result when I install "ury"-thing.