Ive been on the lookout for a mid to late 90's up to early 2000's chevy 4x4 ext cab truck.
They all seem to be in the 5-8k range
Today I found a 2001 ext cab 4x4, z71, spray in bedliner, all power, heated leather, 141,000 miles at a lot for $7500
While talking to the guy, he eventually volunteered that they might be tempted to sell with an offer as low as $7000. They've had the truck on the lot a while and it's going to auction next Tuesday.
Further talking to him about the auctions i learned:
When they have vehicles a while, they go to auction. They apply profits from vehicles they make money on at auction to vehicles they don't make money on at auction (ie they loose money on some)
Trucks are outrageous right now. They originally had this truck at $10,900 with no action. They mark it down (green numbers indicate this) just to move it after a while. If it still doesn't sell it goes to auction.
Which brings us up to now.
I'm gonna go back Monday and look it over more closely and test drive it.
Im thinking of offering $7000 out the door to see what they do (this is an offer of $6580 before tax.) PA has a 6% sales tax btw.
My logic is that if it is about to go to auction, where they may very well loose money on it, it would be better to sell at zero or low profit now then loose money on it at the auction.
Am I nuts? Kbb values it higher on all points than the $7500 they're asking.
It is a nice truck, and I am prepared to walk if the deal isn't right. This is also a cash deal if it matters.
It looks pretty much like this:
(http://images.automotive.com/reviews/images/01silverado.jpg)
I've considered Fords as well, but I never clicked with the looks, and I've had a couple Fords that didn't treat me well. We'll, it's not that, it's more that I hated the design once I was well into their innards to repair things.
I don't fit in S10's or Rangers so they're out.
Thoughts?
I think you should buy sumthin' with less than 150K on it. ;)
It has less than 150k
I don't care about mileage. I can fix things that wear with mileage.
A body man i am not.
I take paint off of things, I don't put it back on.
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 24, 2009, 05:03:44 PM
It has less than 150k
I don't care about mileage. I can fix things that wear with mileage.
A body man i am not.
I take paint off of things, I don't put it back on.
;D
141/150...
same thing. ;D
IMO used trucks are waaaay overpriced right now.
No value.
I'd beat up a dealer on a new one and stretch on the money before I paid 7K for a 100+K truck.
nate speaks the truth....unless its a diesel. then the miles are almost irrelevant.
i think you would be better off to find a private party sale...
or try nates tactic with a chevy dealer.
new ones aren't cheap either and that wouldn't allow me to do a cash deal.
There aren't any rebates of significance on new trucks around here. Im friends with a guy who's a salesman for a local GM dealership and they don't even have any ext cab 4x4's on the lot since GM shut the lines down.
All he has are work trucks.
cash deal is important, I don't want to owe more ;)
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 24, 2009, 05:18:24 PM
new ones aren't cheap either and that wouldn't allow me to do a cash deal.
There aren't any rebates of significance on new trucks around here. Im friends with a guy who's a salesman for a local GM dealership and they don't even have any ext cab 4x4's on the lot since GM shut the lines down.
All he has are work trucks.
cash deal is important, I don't want to owe more ;)
right there with you dude!
go for the private seller. they know they will get more from you than a dealer will give them, and you should be able to get a truck without that dealer markup.
Quote from: herm on July 24, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
nate speaks the truth....unless its a diesel. then the miles are almost irrelevant.
unless you live in the northeast and rust will eat your truck alive....
Quote from: herm on July 24, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
right there with you dude!
go for the private seller. they know they will get more from you than a dealer will give them, and you should be able to get a truck without that dealer markup.
I'll take a look to see what's out there again. Been looking and watching the market for 2-3 months now.
How about this one? (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=263255626&dealer_id=64220111&car_year=1999&rdm=1248485261236&num_records=25&model=CHEV150&make3=&systime=&make2=GMC&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1999&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=32&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=100&marketZipError=false&model2=15SIPU4WD&search_lang=en&showZipError=y&first_record=76&make=CHEV&color=&keywords_display=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=0&body_style=TRUCKS&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=2&sort_type=priceDESC&address=16335&advanced=&end_year=2003&pager.offset=75&transmission=&doors=&max_price=8000&cardist=92&standard=false)
I could sell that cap. Fixing the ac and the window are cake jobs.
Price is sure right ;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 24, 2009, 05:40:20 PM
How about this one? (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=263255626&dealer_id=64220111&car_year=1999&rdm=1248485261236&num_records=25&model=CHEV150&make3=&systime=&make2=GMC&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1999&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=32&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=100&marketZipError=false&model2=15SIPU4WD&search_lang=en&showZipError=y&first_record=76&make=CHEV&color=&keywords_display=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=0&body_style=TRUCKS&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=2&sort_type=priceDESC&address=16335&advanced=&end_year=2003&pager.offset=75&transmission=&doors=&max_price=8000&cardist=92&standard=false)
I could sell that cap. Fixing the ac and the window are cake jobs.
Price is sure right ;D
220K...on a chevy?
You're on crack... :P
oh c'mon it's not like a Ford would ever get that far ;)
[laugh]
There's a 2001 2500HD in the local paper for $7k but mileage is not listed in the ad . . .
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 24, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
oh c'mon it's not like a Ford would ever get that far ;)
[laugh]
There's a 2001 2500HD in the local paper for $7k but mileage is not listed in the ad . . .
just don't start thinking Dodge. ;D
that's a big 10-4
I's have to agree with nate-those trucks are high mileage, and probably no end of abuse.
I'd be poking the dealers right now for a cheap new one.
There are no cheap new ones. There are barely cheap used ones. $7500 is about the high limit of my budget anyhow.
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 24, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
There are no cheap new ones. There are barely cheap used ones. $7500 is about the high limit of my budget anyhow.
I understand the rationale for buying with cash.
There is no
value in a high mileage pickup regardless of price.
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 24, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
There are no cheap new ones. There are barely cheap used ones. $7500 is about the high limit of my budget anyhow.
Can you get a regular cab? Perhaps a 2X4 (maybe not so much in snow country). I can't see a truck of that vintage and mileage, particularly a brand not necessarily notorious for high mileage being worth that much.
Any chance you can wait and bid on it at the auction?
Buy a Toyota, you will never have a problem, anything Japanese are bullet proof.
Don
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 24, 2009, 04:37:19 PM
<snip>
I don't fit in S10's or Rangers so they're out.
Thoughts?
Quote from: The Don on July 24, 2009, 06:41:03 PM
Buy a Toyota, you will never have a problem, anything Japanese are bullet proof.
Don
Guess you missed that part... ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
I understand the rationale for buying with cash.
There is no value in a high mileage pickup regardless of price.
define "high mileage"
and "value"
i ask only because, as with anything else.......its subjective.
Quote from: herm on July 24, 2009, 06:46:34 PM
define "high mileage"
and "value"
i ask only because, as with anything else.......its subjective.
over 100K...
and if you don't understand value by now...
I can't help you.
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2009, 06:44:39 PM
Guess you missed that part... ;)
No, I don't know what size ute's they are as I live in Australia, we don't have the variety, of the USA. [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2009, 06:47:56 PM
over 100K...
and if you don't understand value by now...
I can't help you.
ok... i hear you on the mileage thing. but again, its kind of subjective. my truck had almost 90k on it when i purchased. i have put another 120k on it since then.
and as for value....it is impossible for me to understand what value monsterlover, or you, hold for a given vehicle. it means different things to different people. do you plan to keep it forever? drive it into the ground? need a full size bed? all of those those, and other considerations combine to determine value.
Quote from: The Don on July 24, 2009, 06:51:53 PM
No, I don't know what size ute's they are as I live in Australia, we don't have the variety, of the USA. [thumbsup]
Ahhhh...
We have Tacomas...the size of rangers and S10s...similar to the old hi-lux
and Tundras...full size pickups.
I don't think he'll find one of those in his price range, and my understanding is they're gas hogs.
Quote from: herm on July 24, 2009, 06:54:46 PM
ok... i hear you on the mileage thing. but again, its kind of subjective. my truck had almost 90k on it when i purchased. i have put another 120k on it since then.
and as for value....it is impossible for me to understand what value monsterlover, or you, hold for a given vehicle. it means different things to different people. do you plan to keep it forever? drive it into the ground? need a full size bed? all of those those, and other considerations combine to determine value.
I put more numeric constraints on value.
In all probability a 100K pickup that's 10 ish years old in the northeast won't last more than 5 years body/chassis wise.
So if you do the math it becomes simple.
You're here now.
You'll see what I mean soon enough unfortunately. :-\
yeah.....no. i gotcha on the car eating northeast thing. i have found more rust on my truck this past year than in the previous 8 years of ownership.
however, i still subscribe to the idea that if its "worth" the cost to you (the buyer) for your circumstances, and it meets your needs..........
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 24, 2009, 06:39:37 PM
Can you get a regular cab? Perhaps a 2X4 (maybe not so much in snow country). I can't see a truck of that vintage and mileage, particularly a brand not necessarily notorious for high mileage being worth that much.
Any chance you can wait and bid on it at the auction?
reg cab is out due to lack of storage
2wd is out due to snow 6 months of the year
bidding on it at auction is out because they only let you in and bid if you have a dealer license
as for mileage- I'm seeing a *ton* of these up for sale with 125,000-200,000 miles on the clock.
I bought a 96 tahoe years ago with 135k on it. Never an issue.
I need something to haul:
wood
junk
bikes to the track
help skid trees when I find land and clear for a house
Quote from: ducpainter on July 24, 2009, 05:51:35 PM
just don't start thinking Dodge. ;D
FHE?
I've got two Dodge trucks now, a 1500 v-8 w/118k, and a 2500 diesel w/137k.
The diesel is problem free since '01, when I had to replace a solenoid. Tires, fuel, belts, and oil, and it runs strong. All the accessories still work too.
The van has had two minor problems in the last six years, an idle control solenoid, and an A/C compressor. Other than that, same as above.
Their cars might suck, but their trucks are A#1.
Me? I'd find a Ford myself. :)
I've never had good luck with any GM product over 100K (some with even less miles), but the Fords have been fine.
Quote from: Bun-bun on July 24, 2009, 09:01:47 PM
FHE?
I've got two Dodge trucks now, a 1500 v-8 w/118k, and a 2500 diesel w/137k.
The diesel is problem free since '01, when I had to replace a solenoid. Tires, fuel, belts, and oil, and it runs strong. All the accessories still work too.
The van has had two minor problems in the last six years, an idle control solenoid, and an A/C compressor. Other than that, same as above.
Their cars might suck, but their trucks are A#1.
Only from working on them for 20 years in body shops.
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 24, 2009, 08:28:59 PM
reg cab is out due to lack of storage
2wd is out due to snow 6 months of the year
bidding on it at auction is out because they only let you in and bid if you have a dealer license
as for mileage- I'm seeing a *ton* of these up for sale with 125,000-200,000 miles on the clock.
I bought a 96 tahoe years ago with 135k on it. Never an issue.
I need something to haul:
wood
junk
bikes to the track
help skid trees when I find land and clear for a house
you will rip it to shreds pretty quickly doing that. better to rent a tractor and save the wear and tear on your truck.
have you thought about a trailer?
Quote from: herm on July 25, 2009, 05:35:20 AM
you will rip it to shreds pretty quickly doing that. better to rent a tractor and save the wear and tear on your truck.
have you thought about a trailer?
A trailer? For what?
On the skidding trees thing, now that I think about it, this may be a ways off. In fact, if I buy this truck, there's a good chance I'll have replaced it before I get to buying any land anyhow.
for hauling wood, bikes and "junk"
Im trying to get away from a trailer (i have a small one now that's on semi permanent loan to me from a friend)
Where' im living now has no room for me to keep a trailer.
Once the truck is well used condition is more important than brand. You will find fine multi hundred thousand mile vehicles in all brands. I know of a Town Car limo (non yellow city cab) that almost made 500K with the original engine and one transmission rebuild. A deer killed it. Since you are buying high mileage and low budget, I suggest you buy as old as possible so you can avoid the maintenance and repair problems of modern electronic engine and transmission controls. Unfortunately, this would mean shopping outside the rust belt.
I don't have any problem diagnosing or repairing newer things. In fact, it's almost too easy now-a-days with the advent of the scan tool
What I like about this truck is:
the body is not rotted
the frame, springs and underthings are not pitted with rust, though there is surface rust like anything that's 8 years old (i looked a 99 earlier yesterday and I think I could have punched holes in the frame with a screw driver--and they wanted $6000 for the thing!!!!)
the engine is not leaking fluids and doesn't appear to have been cleaned. Normal dust and dirt in the engine bay, but no wet block.
What I was thinking has to do with cost, not difficulty in diagnosis. For example, when the speedometer fails on your old truck it will still drive just fine, and if you have a tach you will even know how fast you are going. If you do repair it, chances are it is a cable, cheap DIY. Now, on the newer truck, the failure is a speed sensor and the powertrain is in limp mode and hardly driveable. The speed sensor is $240 and on back order [bang]
Or $5 at the right junkyard ;D
I know what you mean though.
howie has a point...
I've been around vehicles all my life...
and I can't even find the spark plugs on the new truck.
Pretty sure it has 'em though. :P
Put your quadfocals on, they're in there
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on July 25, 2009, 06:50:07 AM
Put your quadfocals on, they're in there
;D
When I got it...
I opened the hood...
and immediately closed it while shaking my head.
It shouldn't be this difficult. [laugh]
[laugh]
You want those of us outside the rust belt to poke around? In all honesty while looking at cars around here (need one for mom) I've seen no end of good deals, and the Cali cars don't have any rust. Granted, I was looking at small Mercedes mostly, but the trucks I poked at were nice enough that I felt it was unfortunate I wasn't in the market for one.
Just looking for a few minutes here are a couple:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/1277029564.html (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/1277029564.html)
'96 Silverado, extended cab, 4x4, 8 cylinder, 78,000 miles, $5500.
Here's one with higher mileage-1996 Silverado, 4wd, extended cab, V8, 132K on it, but only $4500.
Here's another, http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd/1286903938.html (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd/1286903938.html) fits your requirements, no mileage listed though. $5750. Does have the 7.4 V8 in it though. Vroom.
C'mon Deal King-you got a name to live up to-you can do better than the one you're looking at. ;)
Blue book on that Chevy is $11,000, with my CA zip code. If you like it and it drives well, which I assume it does, throw them an offer. As far as value goes, I've got an 05 full size work truck with 70,000 miles, my old lady bought a slightly used GMC Acadia van last month, the dealer offered $4000 trade in on my truck. I laughed at his ass, we gave him the Hyundai, told him if he could find me another 05 full size for $4000, I'd buy it. So trade in and resale sucks, but Chevy's are good trucks. But I've known a couple of people that had to put trannys in Chevys at 100k. They pulled trailers with them, though.
Why does mileage matter?
if you can cash buy a truck for 7k
and the motor goes tits in 6 months
you can get a brand new long block for 1800
then you are still in the truck for less than KBB with a new motor
Quote from: ducpainter on July 25, 2009, 03:28:45 AM
Only from working on them for 20 years in body shops.
What does body work have to do with reliability? Isn't body work usually associated with a collision?
I've owned Toyota (several) and Ford (a) trucks. I bought an '09 Dodge and it's far and above the best truck I have owned. Toyota's are reliable but the comfort level is very low, ride is horrendous compared to the Ram I'm driving. I got a bad Ford and won't give them my money again. I'm sure some of them are fine.
The Dodge is powerful, comfortable, and well thought out in terms of usefullness and accesability. As far as reliability? I just hit 4500 miles (bought Jan 1) so I can't say. Check back in ten years.
Quote from: Eeyore on July 25, 2009, 09:40:28 AM
Why does mileage matter?
if you can cash buy a truck for 7k
and the motor goes tits in 6 months
you can get a brand new long block for 1800
then you are still in the truck for less than KBB with a new motor
In that case why not buy one with a blown motor and replace the engine? You get a much lower price and a new mill in it.
:P
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 27, 2009, 11:34:23 AM
In that case why not buy one with a blown motor and replace the engine? You get a much lower price and a new mill in it.
:P
you say that like it's a bad idea
the day i would buy an american car (or truck) is the day i would ride a harley.
Quote from: al@sktc on July 27, 2009, 01:20:24 PM
the day i would buy an american car (or truck) is the day i would ride a harley.
Generally I'm not one to comment on another's religon, but you brought it up....
My full sized Chevy pick-up truck and my Harley-Davidson Glide have been more reliable than any of the two dozen or so Ducatis I've had over the past 23+ years, which doesn't keep me from loving my Ducatis anyway.
If your religon requires adherents to deny themselves the pleasures of owning great American vehicles, I don't think I'll be converting any time soon!
Quote from: al@sktc on July 27, 2009, 01:20:24 PM
the day i would buy an american car (or truck) is the day i would ride a harley.
Unfortunately no one makes a full size truck on par with the Americans. The Tundra is close but way more expensive. I would have had to spend $10K more to get the Tundra similarly equipped.
I looked at the truck late Saturday and found it needed a cab corner.
My friend that owns a body shop told me $350-$500 a side to replace.
They wouldn't budge on the price so I told them to suck it.
I'd rather take that $500 and add another $200 to it and ship something in from Az or some other arid state.
The search continues...
Quote from: hbliam on July 27, 2009, 02:17:47 PM
Unfortunately no one makes a full size truck on par with the Americans. The Tundra is close but way more expensive. I would have had to spend $10K more to get the Tundra similarly equipped.
Agreed. I had a 02 F150. 78k miles, 1 recall (cruise control wiring). Only traded it in because I needed a 4WD. New truck is an 09 F150 for quite a bit less than a comparably equipped Toyota or Nissan...
i have a 2000 nissan crew cab 4x4 with almost 300k..............not one problem, ever! i have owned American cars and, i stand by what i said earlier. after 80k American vehicles just seem to fall apart. the rattles and squeaks drive me crazy!
there is a reason Japanese trucks cost more, they are better.
So
you've had one positive experience with a vehicle
and
you are basing a life decision on it
Tell us how your first sexual experience went?
Quote from: Eeyore on July 28, 2009, 02:44:22 PM
So
you've had one positive experience with a vehicle
and
you are basing a life decision on it
Tell us how your first sexual experience went?
Well, it was with a woman, and I've stuck with them ever since.
What's it like sleeping with guys?
Or is that not the point you wanted to make?
Quote from: MrIncredible on July 28, 2009, 03:19:06 PM
Well, it was with a woman, and I've stuck with them ever since.
What's it like sleeping with guys?
Or is that not the point you wanted to make?
you don't cuddle after
bastard
Quote from: Eeyore on July 28, 2009, 02:44:22 PM
So
you've had one positive experience with a vehicle
and
you are basing a life decision on it
Tell us how your first sexual experience went?
my family owns a building supply company with approximately 15-20 light duty trucks. once the truck is out of warranty the repairs must not exceed 45% of the trucks current value, if it does the truck gets sold. that being said..........american vehicles just don't last as long. i don't know any other way to put it. this isn't a "one positive experience" thing.
i hope american car companies get their shit together but, until they do i am buying Japanese.